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GEEZE - NO one here cares what is going on in Auburn. 220 seats - well, it is not Patterson or Baldachi or Koonzt or Gresham or Beaver or Brown. WHY do you promote Auburn on this thread? NO ONE cares what is going on in Auburn. Most of us live very far away! Your audience on this thread is NOTjust the locals in your locality which is WA state. Promote that stuff on your own local site - NO NEED to put it in this thread where 99% of us do NOT live in WA. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

***...if you are acting like a whore you get what you deserve. I am surprised the judge sent Duane to prison. After all, he was doing his war duty on the home front policing and punishing servicemens' unfaithful wives, giving them "what they deserved". He should have received a Congressional Medal not a prison sentence. Jo, did it ever occur to you that ALL the derogatory information about the victims came from Duane the PERP? And he sure got you hook line and sinker. Blaming the victims is way beyond pathetic. If Duane had sexually assaulted them would they also be "getting what they deserved"? I mean after all they were "acting like whores". Nobody will ever accuse you of being politically correct Jo. I'm surprised Vicki or Amazon didn't jump you on this one. 377 YOUR OPINION WAS MORE SURPRISING , but you are not in you late 60's or even early 70's: Frankly, do not understand your response. I doubt Duane sexually assaulted in todays terms any one. He told me little of his prior single life....as a young man...outside of the incident in Jacksonville, when a officer was feeling up his girl friend. As for a married woman in the 1940's being in a bar ALONE while her husband was overseas - she was in MY OPINION acting like a whore.... Note - I said alone. In the 40's a woman going to a bar and while her husband was overseas - that was UNACCEPTable....she should have been at home or with family. A group of women out together 1943 may have been a little ok, but in my book it is wrong...and sending the wrong message. Certainly not the conduct of a good wife in 1943. A married woman in 1943 was expected to act like a lady. Ladies in 1943 did NOT go to bars alone and in certain circles NOT at all. If they could AFFORD alcohol - it was usually a group of women going out together. Even in 1960 when I was first married - it was NOT acceptable for the woman to be out and in a bar alone (in my circles)...in fact I never saw the inside of a bar alone without my husband until 1972...infact I had never been in a bar at all until I was divorced from my husband in 1972. Even then it was uncomfortable, but I MET A GOOD FRIEND who was also uncomfortable and then we made arrangements to meet each other. All of my friends lived somewhere else and / or married. The newer generations have a different concept. 1943 was OLD SCHOOL for MARRIED women! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

YOU know NOTHING! You nor anyone else knows the story about the night I accepted his gift that had been offered to me the first night I met him - a gift I declined. It is story YOU will never know, because you are using this thread to write your SORDID tale about Cooper. I expect you ARE back in the thread full FORCE only because you signed a contract or option for a movie based on your BOOK. Maybe that was a SETUP just to see HOW far you will go. Maybe you have been duped! Your hunger was your down fall. Now after a long exit from the thread you are seemingly feeding your sick ideas to the thread...why not use your MOUNTAIN NEW for this? JO WEBER knows why! Someone DANGLED a carrot infront of you! Now the RABBIT is in the cage - ENJOY! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Oh, Mrs. Cooper, you are much too humble. Despite the many years that you have lied to us, deceived us and teased us, you have never broken a sweat. You turn away every challenge to your latest claim, badgering everyone I know with impunity. Could Duane do as well? I think not. Could Duane get half of the DZ to help him with his computer glitches and "Poofs?" I doubt it. Who really wore the pants in your marriage? Duane? Nah, you're the one who walked away with the $100 bill wrapped about the Champaign bottle on your birthday, remember. I have corrected your post before, but this is a excellent example of HOW U TWIST information you read in this thread and communicated to you. I did NOT accept the $100 until much later. Did you know that I met him on my birthday! The bartender knew this and told Duane when he enquired about me. That has been made clear in this thread and to you. EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF YOUR 'SKILL' OF DECEPTION AND USING SUBJECTS FOR YOUR WICKED AND SICK REASONS. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Sounds like you might be in a tight spot, now, Mrs. Cooper. Tina didn't "live and work" in Gresham. She was a patient in a nursing home/assisted-living facility there. Bruce - I think you need to divulge your sources. If an employee of the Lutheran said that this they are in violation of the privacy laws. Tina is still living and a viable human being, but you make her past sound sordid and convoluted. YOU prefer to complicate her life more than has been done by the media in the past. YOU and the creeping things you talk about are discusting. YOU seem to think NO one has any privacy and that their lives should be public base on WHAT you say. If the guys in this thread do NOT know how you have taken details and converted them into a stories that are demeaning and harmfully abusive regarding Tina ...then they also bear responsibility for your actions. YOU say sick things about people and individuals.. You demean others for profit and to promote yourself. This makes you one of the lowest forms of life on this planet. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Really? I'm sure his charmed female crime victims might have a different opinion. Jo wrote***Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best! That statement is demonstrably false. Duane was outwitted time after time by small town cops and has a rap sheet that proves it. If I had to rate his intelligence from his rap sheet he would be sub normal. I understand your need to portray Duane as a smart compassionate capable person, but that has no place here, especially when it flys in the face of indisputable facts. 377 You are deliberately trying to mix the past (what Duane was like before I ever met him) and the present. I do KNOW after the fact that Duane did some horrible things - but, I also have the opinion that stealing $5 from a woman in a bar who was cheating on her husband away at war was wrong. She got what she deserved...how did she explain this to her husband? Duane went to a federal prison for it. WHAT is fair about that. I do realize the $5. would be more in today's dollars, but if you are acting like a whore you get what you deserve. I do not know the story, but that Duane supposedly stole a $5. federal check and cashed it. Today - both sides of the story would have been presented...but it was WAR time in 1943. Duane did steal and he was a supposedly trouble boy - which was his childhood history as related to me by his sister would indicate. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Regardless of what you may THINK that bar was PACKED that night and it went down as I have said. It was a small bar and most were locals...Remember the old stored town buildings that were long and narrow - this IS how the bar was arranged. As you entered the door the short end of the bar was there and to the right was the musicians. The steel guitar man's name was RICK and the singer was his wife Elaine. THEY SENT DUANE A GOLD PAINTED SREWDRIVER (WHICH I STILL HAVE) FOR CHRISMAS, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL THE NEW YRS. RICK SAID HE COULDN'T FIND A SCREWDRIVER AS BIG AS DUANE HAD USED! The long end of the bar went the lenght of the room and with tables on the Right side - 3 tables from the isle to the wall deep and the lenght to the restroom I would estimate to be 26/30 plus feet. The rest room was down on the right. These guys had the only access to the restroom blocked and I say "Excuse me". Instead of being nice and making room for me to past - one of the them said "Fuck You". I turned and walked back to the front and Duane asked me what happened. I told him exactly what I have just written. The scene went down EXACTLY as I have stated. The man had made his statement loud enough others had heard him. They watched Duane GLARING at the man and exit the building. The man who was playing the steel guitar asked me where he went - I probably shrugged my shoulders. A few moments later Duane walked back in. He was wearing his leather jacket which was golden saddle Tan. The bulge was obvious. THE BAR WENT SILENT! DEAD SILENT. I think they thought he had a GUN. Duane just continued to GLARE at the man and his friends were talking to him. He came forward very timidly and said the exact words I have said before. Duane was much taller than this young man. Duane put his hands on the young man's shoulder after he apologized and Duane's words "Son I think that would be a good idea". He may have said Son last but those are the words. AFTER he walked out of the BAR - DUANE REMOVED THIS HUGE SCREW DRIVER FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS JACKET AND PUT IT ON THE BAR. THE BAR ROARED. If someone had dropped a glass or moved a chair I think everyone in that BAR would have dropped to the ground. THERE was NOT one word said by anyone WHEN Duane put his hand on the young man's shoulder. Duane's voice carried well - I swear even the bartender didn't move. NO one moved. THat room stood still! I believe the name of the town was Loveland, but I would have to find a CO map to be sure. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

See how POOR YOUR MEMMORY WAS! I REFUSED THE 100 BILL BECAUSE I FELT HE WAS TRYING TO PICK ME UP. 2 WEEKS LATER I ACCEPT THE BILL BECAUSE I CERTAIN DIDN'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO FEED A FULL GROWN MAN ON MY MEAGER SALARY AND HE ALSO FIXED MY CAR FOR ME. AFTER HE RETURNED FROM CAL HE LIVE WITH US UNTIL HE LEFT OF COLORADO. SEVERAL MONTHS LATER AT SPRING BREAK HE CAME BACK FOR US...HE FLEW AND DROVE 'DONNA AND I OUT IN MY CAR. THE FURNITURE HAD ALREADY LEFTFOR DENVER AND WAS ALL SET UP. EVERYTHING UN PACKED AND IN PLACE. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yikes, Mrs. Cooper. Just a few posts back you said that Duane knew where Tina lived in Gresham and you knew how he knew. AS usual your usual OBTUSE manner is taking thing out of context. Duane told me he used to know a woman who lived in Gresham. And yes, I know how he knew...and I have explained that. I did NOT know myself that Tina lived in Gresham until I spoke with Mr. H. You ignore the postings made previously - and use things when I am talking in present tense and not when I made the post that stated the circumstances. AS USUAL. In a 17 yr period of time - I have told the story many times....and you refuse to look at what transpired when we made the trip in 1979 versus what I then knew later...Each one will be stated differently - as not all postings are Past tense...some include things that I would learn at a later date and more details include than the original setting. For instance: In 1979 I did not know that Tina lived in Gresham. Duane only said he used to know a woman who lived in Gresham. He did NOT say Tina. Then some time after 1997 when I learned Tina lived in Gresham - I may have changed the wording to say Tina after my discussions with Mr. H. In 1979 - Duane gave NO name but I learned many yrs later that Tina lived in Gresham and it would be a normal thing for me to say Tina at that time. PICK PICK - why don't you pick on your own obtuse stories...you live in a world where you think NOTHING nor any one is hands off. What about ALL of the horrible things about TINA YOU made public. The pictures you took and your trying to get in her door and the vulgar things you have stated - WAS that part of your investigation to include the wine bottle and your wanting to share it with her...YOU are a CREEP! Yet, you pick on my tenses and time frames when I have comingled past posting with current posting - with out demeaning the subject. GO to HELL! Your visits to her family in N.Y. and how you hounded them - you go TOO FAR! You write OLD enquire style and that is BAD. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Duh! Duane ruled the roost not me! Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best! Duane had a very likeable personality and he had NO enemies I was aware of. He was charming and knew how to treat a woman....always protective and alway shielding. Duane was the out-going one - The man in the house was my master and not the other way around. I had been through a bad marriage so - I was always the submissive in every relationship I ever had. He was an excellent father to my daughter and they both thought the world of each other. Duane handled a couple of difficult situations with complete control where I would have been outraged and have done all of the wrong things to correct or discipline. Some of you could learn from his abililty to correct and to control certain situation. The way he handled the young man in the Bar in a little town South of Ft. Collins where a friend of his played the steel guitar and his wife a guitar and the vocalist. I have told the story before - but I will repeat it. Don't take your Gun To Town that is what they played when Duane walked back into the BAR after making a trip to the car and returning with a hugh bulge in his jacket! When he pulled out that very large screw driver after the young man left - the bar ROARED! Everyone thought the worse until Duane put his hands on the young man shoulder after the young man aplogized to Duane for being rude to me and said he had too much to drink and was going home. Duane reached out and put his hand on the young man's shoulder and said "Son, I think that is a good idea". This is how Duane thought things thru and handled difficult situations. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

lol....So much for HIPAA, huh? According to Tina, who might or might not have re-written some of her life's story....who am I to judge...she retired from NW at the age of 32. If she was born in 49, then that would put her retirement at about 80-81. Maybe her Gresham visit was the catalyst for retirement. Though to be accurate, she did not mention Gresham or the convent. Speed ahead 13 years and she is in the entry level of the healthcare field while obtaining an education which will eventually lead to a career in the mental health/social services arena. Seems to be doing quite well. Interestingly, she says she worked mostly Japan flights the last 5 years with NW. Wonder if she ever met Kenny C? You know more about her than I do and all I have known is what Cook told me and what Bruce wrote. What you stated goes along with what Cook told me...he best NOT deny it as I have a 4 inch Volume of email he and I exchanged. To me Lutheran Home mean retirement hom and not mental institution. I expect Duane was of the same opinion. As for Bruce he has been known to stretch the truth to meet his own criterior. I find it difficult to believe the woman I spoke to was ever a long term patient. I am sure between the skyjacking and the divorce she may have had some issues. Tina's words to me in that one phone conversation - I have never forgotten. "He was a very SAD man!" Carr even took my statement and USED it. She had compassion for Cooper and that is a given. I am sure he said something to her that indicated he had a problem in his life...she did NOT elaborate on that. It was either something she closed out of her mind and something she either cannot or does not feel she should talk about. She contacted me out of compassion and nothing more and I have always felt she made the phone call to comfort me. I have made it a policy not to call her, but did leave a message from the Co-pilot and one to warn her about Bruce was up to regarding her sister and also contacted the sister to warn her. I had the sister's number for yrs - but did NOT utilize it until Bruce was making his OBTUSE visit. If any of you remember his article about the brother-in-law and his visit there - YOU will know that BRUCE is a master of making things sound like something they are not. Per his horrid public description of the brother-in-law - might he not be making other statements about Tina for his own sordid benefit. He does not care about the people - all he cares about is the notoriety. His actions in that incident should tell you something - do not believe all that Bruce writes! I am sure the sister and her husband were appalled at what Bruce wrote about them and his visit to their home. He does NOT care about the people - just the attention he can get with his sordid words. He is obcessed with the brainwashing senarior in the case of Tina and that other thing I can never remember - that is identified only by Initials - regarding brain washing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Time to Change Your Story, Mrs. Cooper: Recently, I went to Gresham to see where Tina lived and worked in 1979, as you and others have claimed. I went to an address that Galen had given me, which is now an assisted-living community and nursing home. In 1979, it had been the Lutheran Home and Health facility. Now, it is called the Good Samaritan Community. I talked to staff and was very surprised to learn that Tina did not work there at all in 1979. Rather, she was a patient. Precisely what do you think a Lutheran home is? YOU are the only one who ever claimed she was a patient and if she was perhaps Duane did NOT know that. He knew a woman who lived in Gresham - information supplied to him by a snitch who was employed in a system in Ca - I assumed a credit card company...as I was told. YOU Bruce do twist things for the dramatic effect and the impact. All we have is YOUR word and that has been disputed in the past! One would assume Lutheran Home meant retirement home - perhaps Duane thought the same thing! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I know NO other way to tell this what is below is the TRUTH and NOTHING but the truth. I explained how and why the man on the ground ever came up. Duane realized himself what he had just said when I asked him "How would you know that" in relation to his statement "That's were Cooper walked out of the Woods" I said "How would you know that" He said "Maybe I was the man on the Ground". That story is NOT fabricated or made up or my imagination - it is real and word for word. I have told the story since 1996 - it is in written documents and interviews (if they didn't cut it out). This is NOT made up but given to the FBI in my first interview and stated multiple time to Mr. H. I do realize that the man on the ground would NOT have dreams about the AFT stairs. I am NOT trying to build a story as some many have done. I am relating what was said and what happened regardless of how little sense it make. The man jumping out of the plane screaming "I left my prints on the aft stairs! I am going to die?" Then the blood curdling scream this man could not be the "man on the ground" I have only told the story about the man on the ground because I am NOT hiding anything - only telling what he told me....and in sequence. The truth sometimes doesn't make sense - but it is the truth. Regarding the above statements relating to both things Duane told me. They are both TRUE statements regarding what Duane Weber said. They contradict each other, but ALL I am doing is telling what REALLY HAPPENED and someone else in another time will have to make some sense out of it. My batteries are running low and are not replaceable - they are now obsolete...In other words Quality time is running out! If there is an after life and someone twists my word - better be very careful where you park you car - a dead tree just might total it. My mid day naps seem to be getting longer and longer recently. 2 1/2 hours today. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[The ground man was only stated because of the one statement he made about Cooper in WA in 1979. "That's were Cooper walked out of the wood". I said how would you know that? and he replied "Maybe I was the one on the ground". Duane was covering himself with that statement (man on the ground) and the ONLY reason I ever put MAN ON THE GROUND into this. He did make a statement at a cemetary that he knew someone who was buried there. I am the one who theorized if he was not Cooper as so many claim then the man on the ground buried Cooper. One can get 2 different messages from what he said - and that is exactly what is happening...and what I have tried to relay. Telling the truth - is not a problem because you can give direct and honest answers without stumbling around in the dark. Oviously you guys have questions that need verifications and I am trying to explain these to you and HOPE I never have spend another percious moment explaining the obvious. I do NOT have a clue about all of the microwave and other towers he showed me. I just know that were he said there was a tower - there was a tower....ONLY one tower I have NOT been able to locate as it obviously had been removed as it was when he took me there in 1979. I presumed that one to be some kind of firelookout - but privately owned by a company who purchased timber land. He pointed out every tower near every airport and high point....even when I could NOT see the tower. Yes, I believe the death bed confess over what he said when he let some words come out of his mouth he should not have said in WA. I think the statement about man on the ground was just so I would not take what he had said seriously. In 1979 we had been married less than 2 yrs. He said nothing about an Airstream and others being involved in a crime. He did make a statement about a Camper and where the boys used to stay in reference to the area where Paradise is - he also mentioned at the same time about how with the old highway there used to have a covert running under the highway and he talked about the parallel Power lines. This was the same conversation when he pointed to the Pacific and told me about an area on the beach 'the boys" used to go to...he also mentioned "the guys" working there. Tina's bar money: As for tossing hard earned money into the river - well, if it was damaged there was NO way he was going to be able to pass it any place without raising some eyebrows. The dream about leaving prints on the AFT stairs is VERY REAL! If I had know what the dream was about he would have been in Jail. WHY THE FRICKING HELL DO YOU THINK I finally UNDERSTOOD THE CONFESSION AFTER I FOUND OUT WHO DAN COOPER WAS! . 1979: 1. The trip. 1995: 2. The confession (I did not know the name used by Cooper was Dan. 1996: 3. The day I found out Dan Cooper was D.B.Cooper. Man on the Ground - I do not think it deserves any further discussion. I only explored that as a possibility because of the cover-up remark when he said "That is were Cooper walked out of the woods". HOW was he supposed to answer the question? He made a slip of the tongue and quickly covered it up. I have spoke of a camper and the The Boys and The guys - NOT an Airstream...I assumed it was from when he was a very young man. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Nothing POPPED! I was what he said himself when he realized what he had just said to me. "That's were Cooper walked out of the Woods" I said "How would you know that" He said "Maybe I was the man on the Ground". That is where that story came from and it is NOT made up but given to the FBI in my first interview and stated multiple time to Mr. H. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

How many yrs have I explained this over and over and over. Since 1996 - way before I ever came to this thread and way before anyone like Blevins crawled out of the wood work. I didn't know a lot of details - and why I stick to the basic and try not to interject anything that was not there at that time. Yea, today I can take a map and show you approximately were we where when such and such was stated, but in 1979 - I had no map - just an old atlas in the car and an Osha map of 1/2 of the U.S. I made a trip in, 2000 but at the mercy of a FAST driver and cameras and NO map and NO guide (other than a 2ed yr college student) who had no concept of the places I was trying to describe to him. I guess he had never heard of Lake LaCames - because he didn't take me there. The production company paid my expenses. 2010 and 5 K - I was able to locate most of what I was looking for - I used the insurance money that should have been kept in savings and to supplement my income. It was 10 yrs too late! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I believe he was Cooper and the pictures are pictures sent to me by the EX-wife. I go by the confession he made in the hospital and the vivid memories he had. Silly question - the ground man was only stated because of the one statement he made about Cooper in WA in 1979. "That's were Cooper walked out of the wood". I said how would you know that? and he replied "Maybe I was the one on the ground". Duane was covering himself with that statement (man on the ground) and the ONLY reason I ever put MAN ON THE GROUND into this. He did make a statement at a cemetary that he knew someone who was buried there. I am the one who theorized if he was not Cooper as so many claim then the man on the ground buried Cooper. All I have done is tell the story as it occured. One can get 2 different messages from what he said - and that is exactly what is happening...and what I have tried to relay. Telling the truth - when YOU have no idea what it means because you were too STUPID to ask question when it happens is very difficult. I believe he was Cooper, but I have to listen to what everyone else has proclaimed over the last 17 yrs. and try to figure out all of the possibilities....but without lieing about anything. AS you your question as to why he would need microwave - I do NOT have a clue. ALL I do know is that he showed me and told me about every DAMN microwave tower we came near and far....problem is I can't tell a signal tower for air traffic from a Microwave Tower. I REALLY am dumb about a lot of things - I really do NOT know the difference ....but he pointed out every tower near every airport and high point....even when I could NOT see the tower. Yes, I believe the death bed confess over what he said when he let some words come out of his mouth he should not have said in WA. I think the statement about man on the ground was just so I would not take what he had said seriously. In 1979 we had been married less than 2 yrs. He said nothing about an Airstream and others being involved in a crime. He did make a statement about a Camper and where the boys used to stay in reference to the area where Paradise is - he also mentioned at the same time about how with the old highway there used to have a covert running under the highway and he talked about the parallel Power lines. This was the same conversation when he pointed to the Pacific and told me about an area on the beach 'the boys" used to go to...he also mentioned "the guys" working there. JO WEBER is not making any of Crap up - all I have done is tell the story and I tell it first person and as it really happened. I am not some person who read a story about Weber & then went out and created his own suspect out of a man who did NOTHING to deserve what his own brother did to him. Kenny NEVER CONFESSED to one damn thing. As for tossing hard earned money into the river - well, if it was damaged there was NO way he was going to be able to pass it any place without raising some eyebrows. The location was most likely symbolic as he talked about the Boys again and that he used to know a man who lived over in Portland. This was stated when I got out of the car at the river. The dream about leaving prints on the AFT stairs is VERY REAL! If I had know what the dream was about he would have been in Jail. WHY THE FRICKING HELL DO YOU THINK I finally UNDERSTOOD THE CONFESSION AFTER I FOUND OUT WHO DAN COOPER WAS! That was all that went through my mind and I was so angry at myself. 1979: 1. The trip. 1995: 2. The confession (I did not know the name used by Cooper was Dan. 1996: 3. The day I found out Dan Cooper was D.B.Cooper. WHAT else can I do or say. If one thinks I am sitting here beating my brains out - yea, you are right, because I didn't get it. I was so STUPID. As for your statement about Man on the Ground - I do not think it deserves any further discussion. I only explored that as a possibility because of the cover-up remark when he said "That is were Cooper walked out of the woods". HOW was he supposed to answer the question? He made a slip of the tongue and quickly covered it up - I was just a DUMB BROAD - but, he really didn't know about my ability to remember things the way I do. WELL now I have to work to remember what I ate today or if I ate at all. the Airstreaqm and bank statement reflect Cooper pushers in general. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

No Back Tracking on Tina - that is how it has been from day one - I never changed! This is about me knowing the man and more about him than other ever knew. Duane was actually a coward and he could never have killed himself, so he set himself up for someone else to do it. I truely do NOT believe he expected to survive. BUT maybe he was the one on the ground. ONE thing for certain if he was the man on the ground and Cooper was injured - he buried him and the chute. In one of 3 grave yards and 2 places of interest. If Weber was NOT Cooper then you will find Coopers body in one of the 5 places I have spoke of. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It is not covert ops in the way you are thinking. He inflitrated the Mafia and the Unions and other groups who intended to do harm on the home front - like murder a high ranking official within the government or snitch on the actions of certain parties he felt intended to harm. Nothing to do with any efforts against another country of in a war. Only involving dirty politic & organizations trying to out wit the U.S. government and/or swindly U.S. funds. Now one can do what he fought against legally. The government signs contracts all of the time with private industry and private computer companies...such as the NOW 2 different facilitators of the OBAMA care! NOW it is legal to take monies not actually earned...like the BP oilspill. Everyone is out to get someone! Now you can do with a lawsuit and what was at one time accomplished by threats of bodily harm and informers. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have told this for yrs and yrs since I learned that Tina resided in Gresham. In 1979 on that trip Duane pointed across the river telling me he used to know a woman who lived in Gresham and worked for a Senior - retirement or nnursing home. Then I find out Tina was indeed in the Gresham area in 1979. Gresham was NOT a very large place. I do NOT know if the woman Duane was speaking of was TINA, but if fits what he said and the fact he put money on Tina Bar - which I had not thought about until recently (that part is just my thinking). Talking about Tina in Gresham was part of my EARLY conversations with Mr. H. Duane was NO hero - but he did have a conscience and regrets in his later life - that is a given by all he did to try to right his wrongs. Not fantasy at all. I do not think he was elite covert ops - he was part of a group out of TX that worked outside of the government. I met other men also associated with this group. You might call them men in black who worked within the ranks of the unions, the mafia and as informers - they worked independently and with financing from a very wealthy man who felt a strong allegiance & had knowledge of the underworld. He did it his way - he had the power and the money. The FBI knows I have told them this & it is a known fact this man had a very unusual relationship with the U.S. government and Politicians. Yes, he is a pushy, rude enquirer type writer. I do not and will not change my thinking on that. I hate that kind of journalism...it is the lowest of the low. Personally I like him - but not his methods. You are speaking of 2 different eras of the life of Weber. I don't think Weber was ever a DANGEROUS man, but he had a lot of good in him. If there had been programs in place when he was a youth - his life could have been much different. He did some terrible things, but he did NOT murder anyone or pull a gun on them - it was always theft. At the time of the SKYJACKING he actually was trying to commit suicide because he could not bring himself to kill himself...I do belive he did NOT think he would make it. If the sky marshalls didn't kill him and if he died in the jump - it made absolutely NO difference to him. Remember how child like he was when the money actually arrived...remember this if you remember nothing else. A hardened criminal intent on harming others would NEVER have allowed this vulnerablity show thru. The compassion and redemption would come AFTER the skyjacking when he later learned about Tina and saw the pictures of the stress in her face. He was fighting his own stress of not getting caught. Frankly I don't think he felt the remorse immediately. The remorse & fear of being found out more than likely did NOT set in until we moved to CO. Knowing Duane personality for 17 yrs - and the fact that my daughter may be responsible for his deciding to attemp redemption. Remember the NIGHTmare in Denver - this is when he started making drastic changes in his life style. My daughter was the spitting image of TINA! Duane was very protective of my daughter and of me. He had a life he had only dreamed about, but had never experienced. Moving to CO - is when he started to CHANGE his life. He was fearful in Denver, but getting to Ft.Collins - he made serious changes in his life and more so after the 1979 trip to WA. I have definitely not painted Duane as any example of the perfect husband, provider or father. He was a hell of a lot NICER to people than Bruce was. He was much more considerate than Bruce as he was aware of the damages that could be caused by his actions. I will not retract that because as soon as I learned Tina was living in Gresham - Mr. H and I had a conversation about this. I do KNOW how Duane knew where Tina was living - there was snitch in CA who worked for a MAJOR credit card company. When Tina got her divorce - the credit card changes where handled by this person (I would stake my life on this). The ex-wife was the one who told ME that TINA got her divorce there! I know Duane was intouch with the EX-wife also after he went on the kidney machine. In 1977 I personally put Duane on a plane to CA - to be sure that he had washed that woman out of him mind...and he came back to Atlanta and he told me when he waved good by to her at the airport he knew it was over! He told her that he would not live for more than 5 yrs. THE big kicker - When Duane went on the machine - he CALLED her from the shop around 1992 (it was on his shop phone bill). She thought he was already dead & told him what she had done (contacting Max)! She admitted this conversation to me, but she did not know when he died...until I located her.... we stayed intouch until 2 months before she died. The FBI would nnot tell me where she was (but he slipped up and said CA). She and I talked about her employment with the credit card company she was working for when he went to CA in 1977. SHE in one her moments told me all about it, but she wouldn't tell the FBI. I, of course told Mr. H and I think I told the FBI. The FBI never revisited her and to my knowledge never asked her about her employment. CAN I prove any of it - hell if the FBI had wired me and let me have paid a casual visit - the truth would have been know YRS ago. The daughter told me she KNEW Duane was Cooper...when she answered the phone one evening and MOM was not there. I believe her. She died of an OD several months later. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

So Robert you have proof Weber was NOT Cooper! PRESENT IT with the PROOF! Physical Proof. PROOF that is documented. UNTIL then Robert99 - just keep YOUR mouth shut regarding Weber. PRESENT your FACTS! THEY had better be FACTS - with DOCUMENTATION & I do not mean things in this thread. Seems as though YOUR knowledge of WEBER is confined to the THREAD and NOT in LEGAL documents. YOU forget the FBI does NOT have legal DOCUMENTS that cover all of WEBERS history. THEY have sketchy things about several yrs such as 1945 to 1949....In & Out and Probably with UNKNOWN time - escaped and then the file is very very skimpy for that time frame. 1962 - 1966 - Duane WEBER falls OFF the FACE of the earth. EVEN the FBI has NOT produced any documents for that time frame. 1968 to 1972 - Weber was a free lance insurance agent and with little income and odd jobs. You guys who punch a clock do NOT understand the nature of sales. Sales positions in on yr he made less than $1000 - what the hell was he doing. These are the times the prior wife - admitted he would disappear for long periods of time - she did NOT know where he was. SHOW proof of income and employment for those time periods and then YOU can talk about Weber - until keep YOUR technical trap shut. Obviously you know nothing about making an income on commission only and doing odd jobs. YOU could never have lived a life like that an YOU know nothing of that life. NOT the sketchy bits the FBI provided - but ACTUAL income records....showing work schedules and expenses. ACTUAL employment records with details. I try to stay out of the technical posts - BUT some bigot like you only inflames me - claiming things YOU can not prove. This makes you NO BETTER than Blevins and his erroneous information about KC. YOU never had a heart to heart talk with his wife and his stepchildren. You never spoke with the few friends and associates he had - I HAVE! UNTIL YOU PRESENT ACTUAL DAY TO DAY DOCUMENTATION AND INCOMES FOR THOSE YRS. JUST STAY OUT OF ANYTHING WEBER RELATED - PLEASE! YOUR SMARKY REMARKS ARE NOT CALLED FOR - WHO DO YOU WORK FOR THE CIA, FBI OR SOME COVERT GROUP WHO IS SWORN TO DIVERTING THE TRUTHS? YOU ARE A MAN WHO DOES NOT WANT THE TRUTHS KNOWN! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

"This I know" And you wonder why so much of what you post is seen as not credible? You have a very active imagination Jo. 377 iT IS TRUTE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOLEDGE AND YOU TILL CAN PRODUCE MORE YOURSELF - U did NOT Know the Man - I did! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What a read - pages of bantering. I know NOTHING about CHUTES, but if the front chute provided was a dummy all of this research seems senseless to this OLE 73 yr old dumbo. If it was the dummy - it establishes a perimenter in which Cooper could have landed. If Cooper knew it was useless, he ripped the canvas out & tossed or just kick it aside. OLE Woman logic says he may have used the container for another purpose & was confident the back pack he was using was ample. If Cooper was suicidal - I doubt he cared ONE way or another about the front chute. He may have inprovised the container for another purpose and the Chute itself was tossed before he actually jumped or maybe it was tossed near the aft stairs and was sucked out of the plane after he jumped. OLD woman logic and has Nothing to do with anything other than the Mental stability of the jumper at that time. Can only state what I know regarding how this subject may have reacted to such circumstances during my 17 yr relationship with him. The ditched useless things and utilized things he salvaged in ways others might never have concieved. I witnessed such incidents during our relationship. He was very inventive and didn't panic - all he cared about was the money and getting off the plane. If he didn't survive - so what he felt his life was NOTHING! He was a failure and he knew he would die in the same manner his mother died - NOTHING seemed important to him other than to make his statement. He felt the system had dealt with him unfairly and that he had screwed up his life....the future was very BLEAK - he really expected to die that night even before the plane got off the ground and before he jumped. THe SON OF A BITCH - survived much to his OWN surprise. Cooper was a man with NO LIFE to look forward to...he had failed everyone in his life and everything he ever tried to do...he was depressed and wanted his life to be over with. He survived! He got away, but the incident changed him - perhaps he realized HOW precious life was and his giving nature is what helped him to survive for several more yrs. After the crime Cooper felt remorse about what he did. He knew where Tina lived (this I know). He just said I used to know a woman who lived in Gresham who worked in a Senior Retirement Center. I did not know anything about the crime nor that Tina DID indeed live in the Gresham area when the money was found on the river banks. Maybe his leaving money on Tena's bar was symbolic - perhaps he wanted her to think he was dead so that perhaps she could go on with her life and not live in fear of harm. I have an early rise tomorrow, but I wanted you GUYS to know the thoughts that I had as I read all of that. HOPE none of this bores you - but, I did LIVE with and KNEW this man for many yrs...not the man who spent as many yrs before in multiple prisons. Good NIGHT! It makes me sad and I am so sorry so many of you are spending your time exploring things & I understand - because I also want to know. I just know the man who I spent 17 yrs plus was - could never have been the man who spent that many yrs in multiple prisons. It is a FACT that I now know...It took him several yrs to turn it around, but Cooper did survive and he did live many more yrs as a productive and giving and loving human being trying to right the wrong he did. He got a second chance in life, but he could NOT escape the quilt he felt - otherwise he would NEVER have shared his secret with me. Problem was he waited to late to try to explain it to me....we all think we will go on living for ever, but we know death is inevitable. I only recently realized my will needs to be changed, because as it stands it is NOT what I had hope to accomplish. I hope unlike Duane that I have enough time to make it right! Think about what I have just posted and [red[it comes from my heart with things I know and have learned. I could HOPE he was NOT Cooper, but NOTHING else makes sense out of how he lived his life and the things he told me during those last few days of his life. He Tried! He REALLY tried to tell his story and all I have to tell are the bits and fragments of his life that connect with the known facts of the case and unknown facts only someone who knew Cooper might know. Try touch base tomorrow but Tuesday will be another day like to day; NOTHINS IN THE SYSTMEM CAN NOW CHANGE THE PAST...............BUT SOME ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SO IT SOME DAY! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The sisters of the Anglins have a book coming out & claimed their brothers did survive & lived in South America. I wonder if the book has come out yet. I have never seen a picture of the Anglin brothers other than what was on their wanted poster. I do want to see the other pictures. One sister was going to send me a site where I could see the other pictures. I knew there was a family illness and probable death - so I have not recontacted them. I let it slide into the back of my mind but, the mention of it on the DZ made me realize how much time has gone by. Anyone here know a site where pictures are posted other than the Wanted poster. Really do NOT want to bug either of them, but it was nice of them to respond during their own trying times. Have forgotten how much time has gone by, but several months. Difficult enough keeping up with myself! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am not Betty White she has 10 yrs on me - isn't she in her 80's. You guys totally loose me with the chutes - 1st it one thing and then it seems you flip flop and it is back to another thing. I just know Nylon can last forever it seems, but silk does not have a good life time unless it is kept in a controled enviroment - such as silk lamp shades and silk dresses. The only way I believe the Amboy Chute could have been involved with Cooper is if it was packed inside of the Dummy front pak. The container was made of WHAT? First the container has to rot and then what is inside is exposed. Just illogical old woman thinking. Like I said this entire silk chute conversation is over my head. I will let the experts make the call! No me - I am not Blevins. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber