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U can hear a pin drop in the thread tonight! Bruce posted a story in that other thread, but adds his own favor to the mix. No Mention made regarding shards found in the making of a documentary in 2001 with Himmelsbach, one of the Fazio's & Jo Weber. Bruce's visit with Himmelsbach was cut pretty short - one can only wonder why! Staying on good terms with key individuals by being honest with them and putting aside your own personal agenda is much more productive. I realize Bruce is TRYING to SELL a story & he needs to leave it be with facts & no aliens. If the FBI listened to the message I left today - their ears are burning! They can NOT turn a deaf ear to Weber. Duane was in association with 2 skyjumpers & I gave them the names & known locations for the individuals and/or family members. If the FBI does NOT approach them, SOMEONE else will do so....too many individuals out there with knowledge of Weber actually trying to find the truths! Harris (Senior) & Pennington Jr both were jumpers.... both knew Duane before Jo was ever a part of his life. I did NOT want to harm anyone in my investigations & the younger men I met were sons of the older guys Duane was inquiring about. Duane was even admonished for mentioning this in my presence by one of the guys & the conversation taken out of my range (So they Thought)! I told the FBI this before, but - I am giving them NO options & openly discussing this in the thread NOW! If I die tomorrow at least I know I tried to tell the world Duane was connected to jumping - maybe only by observation & maybe that is all it took! Duane knew these men personally. The 2 names connect Duane to WA & the FBI is going to have to fess up - or be ridiculed. The other is by way of a man named Ben Richards - but, the individuals I found were young and didn't know much about their name sakes & NO connections...not sure I found the right Richardson. His living conditions - Duane did mention & that included washing his clothes in a stream near his cabin or trailor. Find this man & his history will solve the D.B. Cooper case...I think this guy was definitely connected to the jump in some way. The names Harris, Pennington and Richards are part of Weber's past & they connect to the N.W. & to jumping! A conversation with OLD law enforcement today - "NO way the FBI can ignored this - unless ORDERED NOT to do so!" SO what the HELL was Weber (an excon) involved in? I gave the FBI most of the above information YRS ago - NOW it is official. I do NOT have time to REMAIN silent & be classified as the Delusional old woman they have made me out to be by ignoring all of the things I told the FBI over the yrs. This month in 2014 marks the 19th anniversay of Duane's Weber confession to me in 1995 and our marriage in 1978. God Willing and the Creek Don't Rise - some SMART Cookie out there will find the KEY that unlocks the past. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

WHAT HAPPENED! I made a call to the FBI today and the thread is dead tonight! Pennington Richards Harris A first for there to NOT be one posting! So where is ELLIE? The silence is deafening! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Go back one Post. I got Ellie on the thread. NOW we will know where Cooper went! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: That Chimp must be THE THINKER! He sure has the pose down. None Cooper related, but hope this makes someone smile. P.S. for Smokin99: Hell, I just wrote the salutation & forgot what I was going to say! Must not have been important. Everyone: Anyone made any efforts to locate Pennington or Harris - both jumpers and I know both are deceased...Both were still alive in 1979. Blevin: You're so focus on promoting yourself U cannot even entertain the fact I gave U some information U should have check Out yrs ago. Anyone - can you locate the Lady who Rode Horses standing! Bet U Blevin never even asked her to look at pictures of other suspects....the Clues are in Puyallup and in a museum near Twisp. Did The woman who Rode Horse Standing ever have any children? Did Mr. & Mrs. Geestman every have any children? Connect the Geestmans, Gilliam's wife, Ma & Pa Weber, Barb Drayton and others and you have a conspiracy...Is that NOT right down your alley?

I am REPEATING my post about WHY I will NEVER apologize to Bruce and the post from which Shutter took his statementL Shutter READ my post above then you can repeat the statement that trigger this long post.... Again below this line: I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself. Bruce DEMANDS JO WEBER to apologize to him....well, that will be a cold day in HELL! Put the shoe on the other foot. WHAT if Tina had been Bruce's mother or sister? Is this the kind of respect he shows them? The crew are victims caught up in something they had NO power over and yet Bruce victimized them again 42 yrs later. Bruce is his own worst enemy when it comes to actual witnessess. HE alienates them. His action with them is exactly the way he has treated me over the yrs....he is a mean and cruel man, but you guys just eat it up! He is nothing more than a puppet for Galen Cook....Galen is feeding him and feeding off of him. They make a GREAT couple..... Bruce's postings and writings about Tina and her family were NOTHING short of sordid opinions mixed with the vulgar perverted thoughts going on in his mind...he was actually lusting out loud and in print. He can erase sordid words from his site and his book, they live on forever on the internet. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

They both act like 8 yr olds. Never know which direction Georger is going in! Yet, I like the old coot! I am serious about trying NOW to find out who Pennington and Harris was. Harris lived in your neck of the wood and he had something to do with jumping between Seattle and Spokana...I got the indications it was Forestry connected...just that in 1978 the statement made by his son was that his father didn't do that anymore because of his age and/or health. Really hope the skydiver out there can actually read the information I am seeking now....There was an arrest record for Duane pre 1950 in Spokane and the back record are NO longer in existence. Remember that many of the jumpers felt Cooper had Spokane connections. I know Duane and his wife stayed there for awhile. That much came up in a discussion with the son of Harris I over heard. When I contacted Spokane I found the file that accompanied the arrest was NO longer in existence...Why was this put on the files AFTER the FBI investigated? The FBI seemed to have NO knowledge of that old record on Weber and yet they INVESTIGATED him? When they are 50 yrs old the back records can be destroyed. I was told the arrest could have been out of the small areas between Spokane and Coure d lane... Duane supposed was in the Twisp area. There was a forestry camp and a firejumper camp in the area. I do NOT know the specifics and I could never get out there to research the stuff on my own. I know there is a museum that is connected to smokejumping and forestry near there - and I believe this was what Duane was referencing about an area he could never go back to. For some reason I think Duane was at a work came near there. What little he did tell me indicated this .....he would just say where the BOYS were or were the boys worked never told me any specifics..... Now in 1992 approximatedly a strange woman came to see Duane....a woman from his past. I do not remember where he said the woman was from, but I remember how she was dressed. She said she had hoped to meet me while she was there...I just happend to have gone by the shop that day even though it was out of my way servicing the debit. I am upset that Blevins will not share anymore information than he did....because there was a conversation in the store...I did not grasp. She said she knew Duane from way back. When I saw the picture of the woman Blevins posted as an older woman in 2005, I wanted to know if that was the woman who road horses standing. She was dressed in a suit - Not navy Blue but a pretty blue see color with a hint of dust in it. She was busty....she did NOT stand up while I was there so I do not know her height. She was wearing a which shirt under the suit..She seemed uncomforable by but was smiling and seemingly happy about seeing Duane. Duane had a shop phone so he could have called anyone of his old friends. We also had a nice camper positioned at the shop inth yard of the shop. I had to work but he took her out to dinner- and I don't know what her name was...Duane could NOT go without telling me she Road Horses standing, Belvins there is a very importan question In to ask. The woman I met was heavy busted - thick and she would have been about my height 5"8" may shorther.Just told me she was a freind..of the family. Next question is specific her hair was no like in the pictures I saw.....are there other pics of her from that time period. Her hair was short and styple in what considered old fashion. short but with it was darl brownish black (seemed to be died). She was going to meet someone else in the area. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

WHY JO CANNOT POST ON THAT OTHER SITE! SHE HAS TO APOLOGIZE TO BRUCE & THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT IT IS BRUCE'S OWN UNDOING. Telling the TRUTH doesn't mean anything to anymore. Stating an opionion is no longer an option in America...you have to tip toe around everything. If you question an individual on their opinionated writings then you have commited a crime. NO longer can anyone stand up for their rights - we have to bend over to make sure our words do not offend others. I have tolerated many things said about me, but when I stood up to acts of agression by one individual, I became the villian. One man came to this thread claiming to be a writer, but he had all of his fact wrong. Everyone took him under their wings & he started to evolve. As time passed he became brazen - he abused individuals who had already had large chunks of their lives destroyed by Dan Cooper. I warned some of the individuals about what was happening...because it WAS the RIGHT thing to do. The things he wrote about the victims who refused to submit to his unannouced interview was devastating. He seem to be PROUD of what he was doing...yet, it was rude and abrasive. Those involved in the case such as the co-pilot, Himmelsbach and the stewardesses and their families want nothing to do with the man. Now he is using his venom to attack me because I stood up to him. I am tired of writers who lie & deceive & victimize individuals who have spent 42 yrs being victimizeD. This story is NOT about just Cooper it is about real people who have spent most of their lives trying to evade the media and individuals whose privacy was stripped from them by Cooper. Their lives were forever changed & NOW one man is bent on making them sound like the villains as he expresses his disdain for them in the printed word with the intent to profit from it. He expressed lust for one woman even as she asked him to leave her door...that is a personal thing and not something one puts on a public forum. The thread unwitingly created a demon who has only bad things to say about others. One who will go any distance to make his name known and he doesn't care who he puts in harms way and the harm he does to their personal lives. I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself. I don't use the right words & I am not a writer. I am a human being with a heart who tries to treat others as I want to be treated and put their needs before my own. I am sorry if some of you don't believe me or like the things I say. Jo has never said bad things about the victims nor have I abused them, nor have I forced myself upon them. All I have ever done was try to tell the truth & I HATE the FBI & how they handled this. After 17 yrs of this I believe their orders came from a higher source & I do not mean God. Well, JO built her life on honestly and being forthright. Now I feel it doesn't pay to walk about gingerly and trying not to hurt others in your path - Now it is all about WHO stomps on others & who does bad things to GOOD people. When you point out their shortcomings you become the villain and a target for their anomosity. WELL, I don't have an ego about Cooper but I do have a personal interest and NOW it is TIME to do what needs to be done.

Repeating my POST ASKING for help from SKyjumpers, smokejumper or forestry of anyone knowing the individualsI describe below....if you need to know MORE contact me at my email address: I AM DEAD SERIOUS ABOUT FINDING THE BELOW INFORMATION Now a skyjumper question: NO holding back now. I need for someone to check whatever registries there are for a jumper with the last name Pennington. There would be 2 of them - father and son. The fathers would be about Duane's age - probably birth bracket 1918 to 1931. The son 1949 to 1955. These are relative broad guesses as I never met the older Pennington but, the younger Pennington would have been older than my children by about 10 yrs and younger than myself. I would say the younger Pennington would be about 64 now...but again that is a guess. I am of the opinion that both of the older men were jumpers, just from the conversations I over heard. I am not giving the first names because the last name is NOT real common...I do not know how they registered back in the days they jumped. The older Pennington I was under the opinion from the coversation was connected to the N.W. - but do not know for sure - could have been the Mid West. The younger man would have been in Georgia at one time. Can anyone tell me anything about these guys? I can provide a first name to someone like 377 who is an attorney and the information would be considered priviledged - it anyone stumbles on the right name and location - I will tell work with you all I can. The other name I need to locate to would be in WA is Harris and he would be Duane's age. I know the both older Pennington and Harris are deceased - I want to KNOW what their backgrounds where. I believe BOTH were jumpers - but do NOT know what kind. Military, recreational, smoke jumpers, forestry... As I have said I have held back because I didn't want to hurt others and perhaps they had NO connection to the past of Weber. Duane seemed to be connected to the fathers of both of the younger men....NOW I want to know. I put all this into the hands of the FBI 18 yrs ago and they DID zero with it. NOW, 377 and you older guys out there can we make that damn wallet & the information talk. THE FBI didn't do their job & I REFUSE to die without knowing the truth & getting answers to the questions I posed to the FBI 18 fricking yrs ago. Basically it has been names I withheld knowing the older men Duane knew were deceased - and that both had sons and I do NOT know how to contact those sons or to dig up information on their fathers. Maybe they were all just old play friends or excons who Duane and his woman of the day associated with and or worked with. I want to be sure that everything I know has been made public - the FBI didn't think it was necessary to research these individuals. Now I think I know why Duane chose me - because of my age An older woman would not still be alive when it was SAFE to talk....I was just barely 16 yrs older than Duane. Repeating this will be difficult because I will not give the 1st names of the men because I don't know them. At least one of the nameswas a Sr and Jr...but the other one is unknownto me. Perhaps contacting me by PM's on the names would be a little safer and if you feel sure you found a definite connection call the FBI....not that they give a damn! YOU guys have wanted this for a long time and NOW you are getting it because I don't have time to play anymore and no reason to be AFRAID other than one person who has threatened me. but that person is none of the above. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I registered and made one POST (this was under my usual handle) made NO secret of who I was.. I was told I could NOT post until I apologized to BRUCE SMITH - a cold COLD day in HELL! BRUCE needs to apologizes to Tina Mucklow, her brother-in-law and sister and her family on the East coast - and to me for the HORRIBLE things he has stated about us in the threads and publically and in his book. As it stands I do NOT want to be in the same room with Bruce. If anyone wants talk to me or ask me a questions they know what my email address is. JO WEBER has been portrayed as a villian on the site & by Galen and Bruce. A young man I wanted to meet stated his disgust in the thread (yet proclaims to be a man of god). I have NEVER EVER said anything about the young man nor have I met him. I do NOT judge someone I have little or no knowledge of. I contacted briefly his ex-wife, but do not remember if I even spoke to him personally. I may have. AS I have told before - my memory is visual and I exchange 2 emails with her. I have no reason to have ever have uttered one bad word about that young man...he was 8 yrs old in 1971 - very close to the age of my own daughters. Judgements passed down by those who only want to discredit the story about Weber. Wonder why? I gave the name "Puppet Master" to Galen yrs ago & I have 6 inches of proof! I could alway tell in the thread who Galen was communicating with - He had his puppets and he manipulated them well...but REMEMBER this he was incommunication with me as early as 2003 and before I posted to this thread. At one time I was his PUPPET - but you guys never knew that. WELL, I have copies of ALL of the emails to PROVE it. Galen is hoping I kick the bucket so he can tell his story! SNEAKY SNAKE - that Glacier Boy! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The news reports say it was found November 1978. Not sure when it was first publicized but the majority of articles I've seen have been from January, 1979. I've seen speculation that the money was planted, but not the placard. Surely whoever planted it would not have chosen the site they did if it was planted. But in Cooper country speculation abounds on just about anything. [:) Over the yrs it was speculated briefly the placard was planted - It may have been on Unsolved Mysteries....Why I was curious about the find date on it. I am pretty sure it was found BEFORE I was out there with Duane in 1979 - it was a just a curious question with no meaning behind it. Not only the find date. but when it's existence was announced. It is probably in one of the books - I am just to LAZY to go find it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Vicki between you and Amazon I get a laugh here and there. Don't spend all of you time over at the OTHER SITE. I can't post there UNLESS I apologize to Bruce Smith! Well, I don't want to post there UNTIL Bruce SMITH PUBLICALLY APOLOGIZES to Tina and her family and others. The stories he twisted & then recited on this thread filled me with RAGE. How could he be PROUD of his conduct regarding the disgusting things he stated regarding his "interogation" of Tina & her family? An interview is an agreed upon meeting and discussion by 2 or more invididuals. Bruce was RUDE, abusive and then the things he said about Tina as he LUSTED after her belonged in a gutter book about fictional characters, not in a book about REAL people. He can edited filth like that from his book - that is NOT good enough! HE made those statements IN this THREAD and he can never take them away! I am sure the crew is unaware of his statements about them in this thread & disciplined themselves to stay out of any Cooper discussions on the internet... The thing he said in this thread made me SICK to my stomach. Just HOW or WHY could anyone ever respect his writing after the sordid stories and posts he made about the VICTIMS of Cooper. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I hope my post cleared that up. I had nothing to do with what Wikipeda wrote about Weber. Telling the TRUTH doesn't mean anything to anymore. Stating an opionion is no longer an option in America...you have to tip toe around everything. If you question an individual on their opinionated writings then you have commited a crime. NO longer can anyone stand up for their rights - we have to bend over to make sure our words do not offend others. I have tolerated many things said about me, but when I stood up to acts of agression by one individual, I became the villian. One man came to this thread claiming to be a writer, but he had all of his fact wrong. Everyone took him under their wings & he started to evolve. As time passed he became brazen - he abused individuals who had already had large chunks of their lives destroyed by Dan Cooper. I warned some of the individuals about what was happening...because it WAS the RIGHT thing to do. The things he wrote about the victims who refused to submit to his unannouced interview was devastating. He seem to be PROUD of what he was doing...yet, it was rude and abrasive. Those involved in the case such as the co-pilot, Himmelsbach and the stewardesses and their families want nothing to do with the man. Now he is using his venom to attack me because I stood up to him. I am tired of writers who lie & deceive & victimize individuals who have spent 42 yrs being victimize. This story is NOT about just Cooper it is about real people who have spent most of their lives trying to evade the media and individuals whose privacy was stripped from them by Cooper. Their lives were forever changed & NOW one man is bent on making them sound like the villains as he expresses his disdain for them in the printed word with the intent to profit from it. He expressed lust for one woman even as she asked him to leave her door...that is a personal thing and not something one puts on a public forum. The thread unwitingly created a demon who has only bad things to say about others. One who will go any distance to make his name known and he doesn't care who he puts in harms way and the harm he does to their personal lives. I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself. I don't use the right words & I am not a writer. I am a human being with a heart who tries to treat others as I want to be treated and put their needs before my own. I am sorry if some of you don't believe me or like the things I say. Jo has never said bad things about the victims nor have I abused them, nor have I forced myself upon them. All I have ever done was try to tell the truth & I HATE the FBI & how they handled this. After 17 yrs of this I believe their orders came from a higher source & I do not mean God. Well, JO built her life on honestly and being forthright. Now I feel it doesn't pay to walk about ginerly and trying not to hurt others in your path - Now it is all about WHO stomps on others & who does bad things to GOOD people. When you point out their shortcomings you become the villain and a target for their anomosity. WELL, I don't have an ego about Cooper but I do have a personal interest and NOW it is TIME to do what needs to be done. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Below find the article and my corrections in Red, White & Blue . My Complaint against the FBI. I complained to them about this and tried to change the Wikipedia article, but since I was not the author I could NOT do that. Duane L. Weber was a World War II Army veteran ( Duane Weber was not a Army verteran - he served in the Navy and was dismissed on a BAD CONDUCT CHARGE which originated OFF base, but it was war time and he had taken a bottle of alcohol and hit a ninety day wonder who was feeling is girl up).) ( Weber was enlisted in the army for a short period of time after leaving the Navy and was stationed in Alabama near Ft. Benning at a facility called Camp Siebert. Mrs Weber has a letter that was written to his parent from the facility and he was obviously working in the Chemical end and needed his watch to use for timing - he thanked his mother for the 1 dollar she sent him and for washing his clothes. .) The FBI claimed in Mar of 2000 that Weber had ever been in the Army, but the AGENT then 3 hrs later admitted Weber was indeed in the Army & they had his serial number incorrect - they had claimed the number belong to a Wavy Greene, but the FBI never corrected their error to the media or to the public. The FBI had a copy of the ARMY letter with his serial number on it. Yet 4 and 1/2 yr later his widow had to point out to this error to the FBI. THIS ERRONEOUS information was NEVER REPORTED TO THE PUBLIC and NO LETTER OF ACKNOWLEGMENT REGARDING THE MISTAKE WAS EVERY ISSUE TO THE PUBLIC. THIS error in their investigation was the reason his Widow decided to go public, but still the FBI did NOT admit they had made a serious Boo Boo in the investigation. SO VERY SAD & THE FBI HAS SPENT THE LAST 10 YRS COVERING UP THEIR MISTAKE! Why didn't the just admit the error to the public? . Weber served time in at least six prisons from 1945 to 1968 for burglary and forgery. He was proposed as a suspect by his widow, based primarily on a deathbed confession: Three ( 7 days) days before he died in 1995, Weber told his wife, "I am Dan Cooper." ( "I' Dan Cooooper!")The name meant nothing to her. (14 months )months later, a friend told her of its significance in the hijacking. She went to her local library to research D.B. Cooper, found Max Gunther's book and discovered notations in the margins in her husband's handwriting.( a woman who worked for Duane claimed it was Weber's handwriting but later the widow was able to prove it was not) She then recalled, in retrospect, that Weber had a nightmare during which he talked in his sleep about jumping from a plane ( he did not say if was a plane but did use the words aft stairs which he explained away as having been the stairway in a prison ), leaving his fingerprints on the "aft stairs. He also reportedly told her that an old knee injury had been incurred by "jumping out of a plane". Like the hijacker, Weber drank bourbon and he did smokechain smoked( Weber was never a chain smoker) Other circumstantial evidence included a 1979 trip to Seattle and the Columbia River, during which Weber took a walk alone along the river bank in the Tina Bar area; four months later Brian Ingram made his ransom cash discovery in the same area. The FBI eliminated Weber as an active suspect in July 1998 when his fingerprints did not match any of those processed in the hijacked plane and no other direct evidence could be found to implicate him. Later, his DNA also failed to match the samples recovered from Cooper's tie, though the Bureau has since conceded that they cannot be certain that the organic material on the tie came from Cooper. NOTE: I did not make the contribution but tried to make corrections to the thing - but, I was NOT allowed to do so since I was NOT the author of the information. SOMEONE else made the contribution - NOT Jo Weber. Jo Weber tried her best to make them correct the garbage. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Excuse me - I do NOT know what Wikipedia is not saying. Before the information was so incorrect it was deplorable, but since I was NOT the one who submitted it I was NOT allow to change it - so whoever submitted the information had a LOT if NOT most of the information incorrect. Did YOU think Wikipedia was an encyclopedia? It is trivia written by individuals who have NO knowledge of Weber or access to the documentations and incorrect acessments of the FBI. Individuals who have living relatives and 1st hand information should be consulted regarding anything in wikipedia. I have QUOTED nothing from "WicKed Pedia". Perhaps they have QUOTED me or some one who has NEVER actually investigated the background of Weber. I am going to go there and see what is being said - I usually look every couple of yrs to see what ridiculous information the author is throwing out there as being written in STONE and certified....when it is written by contributors whose creditials are never required. I do not need aggravation from the likes of you....My job is survival at this point and IF THE Wikepedia has incorrect information you MR. Government Employee - need to help MAKE it correct! That one small article has been a thorn in my shoe for a LONG LONG TIME and it is about time the FBI stepped into Wikipedia and MADE IT RIGHT! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Do NOT know how much longer I can do this, but if any of you can help, please do. ONLY at my private email address (homes4ubyjo@aol) will I give additional information if the person can provide their credentials as a private investigator and the information I provide kept confidential. My goal has not changed, but I refuse to destroy the lives of others in my search for the truth...WHY I provide limited detail in a public forum. Not much as been withheld - but, perhaps these few things are a key to the past of Weber. Maybe a PAST that will exclude of include Weber as a viable suspect. MY reason for the directness of my posts of recent - is that I will NOT be able to pursue this venture much longer....NO game playing - I need individuals with SERIOUS searching abilities - LIKE SNOWMMAN and LIKE the GUYS who are now being exploited and prosecuted for exposing government files. The government does NOT always do the right thing - too many DAMN secrets. If the FBI had acted in an apporpriate way the Jefferson prison file would have been provided and made public in 1998 when they claimed Duane was ruled out because of prints. They spared NO EXPENSE regarding DL Cooper and other subjects. ONLY until I raised hell, did they retrive DNA in 2003, but did NOT test it until LATE 2007. What is wrong with that picture? I have NOT tried to PROFIT off of this & made it clear to those who approached me they would have to help me find MORE information. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am quiet well aware of what you think about me and what others think about me, but no need to go on about it. I ask honest questions and only ask for help. Matt, if you are able to comprehend my reason - then you know that as of recent I am asking very direct questions, but also trying to protect these individuals because I do NOT know what their involvemnt is or was...I just know Duane KNEW these people from his past and the guys were the sons of aquaintances of Duane's past. I certainly do not think my line of questioning is out of order. I DO NOT care where I fit. I would LIKE to have some answers to recent questions....there is NO CAT and MOUSE in my posting - not of recent. I have other battles to fight other than Cooper - Help me located the 2 men (who are deceased) by way of their sons who would be between the ages 60 and 71 roughly. Perhaps we might find answers that will rule Weber out entirely - if they can substanciate the connections between their fathers and Duane Weber & show evidence of the connections. Duane's connection to these guys came out of his past prior to meeting me. 1. Harris was Duane's age and came out of the WA area and was connected to jumping in some manner. Do NOT know if the father - could have been a step father. 2. Pennington also was Duane's age and connected to jumping in some manner. Also the same - the man Duane was asking about could have been a step father. 3. There was also the sport store manager/or owner of a Golf and Ski store about Duane's age who knew Duane only as JOHN. Why Duane did NOt want me to go into that shop with him in 1979. This was either one of the 2 top ski places in Colorado. Aspen or Vail - I have since forgotten but my VISUAL memory upon being show pictures of both from 1979 knows which one.

Note, I had several conversations with the co-pilot over the last 17 yrs. The Pilot had been warned of the possiblity of a hostage being taken per the chute request . The pilot was given full control and orders to avoid heavily populated areas. Hence a discussion about the plane being further east before it approached Portland than what has been touted by the authorities. They accommodated the skyjacker and prayed he would NOT blow the plane. All precautions were made - stay away from heavily populated area. Control was given to the pilot who gave control of the plane to the co-pilot so he could deal with the communications. The plane that Himmelsbach was in could not keep up and they never sited the plane yet, they were on the path the skyjacked plane was supposedly using. ????? The flight path after a certain point was left up to the crew - they were to use their discretion....and they chose to skirt Portland and tried to dump Cooper. I do not know the specifics. but they did take a couple of jags after Tina came forward - hoping to DUMP Cooper....they wanted him off of that plane. Hence why the plane was NOT West of Portland and NOT over Portland when it reached that point. I have repeatedly claimed the plane was slightly East of Portland & the PDX. NOT one soul believed me. I have NO knowledge of flight paths - and all I have is a laymans interpretation of a long phone conversation with the man who was in control of the plane. I also had this explained to me by a man with the FBI who was supposed to know where that plane was...now he has changed his story. When I was with Duane in 1979 he took me to an area on our way to Tahoe - I did not know anything about a skyjacking in that area or that the plane flew in that area. Duane pointed out to me that they hwy was not there in the early 70's and a lot of changes had taken place. Even then in 1979 it was not all that well developed and when I went back in 2001 it had changed. What I saw in 1979 was more like ranches and developement was sparse but remember I had lived in Atlanta and what I called sparse might be considered WELL developed by some of you guys. It was not covered with Malls and subdivision after subdivision. There was still a lot of vacant lands. I have told my story before and regarding my discussion with the co-pilot, but I am a liar and a delusion old lady - what I repeat for a first hand account means diddly squat. Supposedly the co-pilot has told others a different story - but were they really listening to him or just decided they must have misheard him and perhaps they (journalist) didn't really know the area....these guys were using what the FBI wanted them to think. The crew did NOT get to talk about certian things with the media in 1971. It was censored in 1971 and for many yrs after that... Age and time has a way of causing people to FORGET what they are SUPPOSED to say and in a general conversation some truths came down the road over the yrs. The plane skirted Portland and if it had been right over the main portion of Portland - there was too much condensed population...NO one would take that risk. None of you ever seem to take into consideration the stories that were told after the skyjacking...and if you look at the map that was shown of the search area...it contradicts what was released to the public and the flight path as recorded by the authorities.... That MAP validated what I was told. And I had never seen that map until recently when one of you managed to put the photo on the site...The possible landing locations - fit everything I had been told - ALL of it. They even had ONE line drawn out for wind pull on the chute....they were pretty damn close if the places Duane took me had anything at all to do with Cooper's landing. This statement was made by someone on the Shutter site. "The reasons for not wanting to fly over Portland would include reducing the probability of wreckage landing in Portland if Cooper did actually blow up the airliner" but they went on to talking about a West side bypass - OH so WRONG! Anyone can tout their creditionals, but they mean nothing to me. What I know came out of the mouths of real people who where there in 1971. Cooper landed just about where he expected to land....had to do some walking but he knew where he was going and he knew how to hide....Cooper was NOT alone. The redaction of the trancripts and the times and the conversations - maybe that was ON purpose. Maybe it was a plan. Maybe it was stupidity, Maybe a lot of things...epends on who is telling the story. A whole lotta misinformation put out! Even my arch enemy claimed the co-pilot stated the plane was EAST of vector 23. I have a question to ask: When in 1979 was the Placard found? I need an exact date and also the date it was made public. VERY important - when was the Placard found? Was it not speculated it was planted? Was it not speculated the money was planted? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: YOU are right regarding Blevins. I maybe dogmatic in my thinking, but I do NOT REPEAT the same posting over and over to sell a book. Just looking and hoping someone out there happens to plug D.B.Cooper/Sky Jumper into the computer and the DZ thread stands out. At this late date I do NOT believe that will ever happen unless someone finds something tucked inside a book like Ha Ha Ha discarded by a library or private individual. More than likely the reader would just pocket the 20 and not read the book. Blevins has used the thread to promote his book & it is irritating, but, it is what it is. The problem with his promotion of his book in the thread - is that it defeats the purpose of the search. Individuals, who like myself who remembered something their uncle told them read thru the posting - "Oh, they already got that guy" and then do not take their curiosity any further. The SUBJECTS & WITNESSES portrayed in Blevins book want NOTHING to do with HIM. That alone SHOULD send a strong message. I have often thought -"WHY they do not STAND up for themselves?" I believe they allowed themselves to be manipulated & do NOT want to be further embarassed by facing a law suit where there is nothing to be gained. At their age they just want to get on with their lives. I have often wondered - had they been provided with knowledge of Duane Weber - WHAT their reaction would have been. Just a curiosity to me because of the things Duane said in 1979 in WA. The woman who Rode Horses standing, Paradise Park and the guys use to stay there. THEN Blevins comes up with these things in his book...I wrote about them on 101, but it is no longer in existence. I did print it - but no IDEA where it is in all of this CRAP. I also exchange this part of my story with Mr. H and others I spoke to in those first few yrs before I ever went public in 2000. When a person knows the things they heard & were told really did happen and then observes and reads all of the stories and other things being told by other parties...makes one think what is actually happening. Bruce Smith would buy into this one "MASS Delusion" or "The Cooper Syndrome".....IF I was well & had the ability it might well be worth investigating - but, I all want was the truth and the Cooper Syndrome will not provide me or others with answers. None of us read about the "others" or had knowledge of the "others"....seems odd! P.S. Georger. what is the name of that fish in the Amazon that EATS anything it its way? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Too difficult and the anti JO atmosphere was evident in every category. The categories do not seem to be working as expected...or I just was unable to navigate the site. DZ has the best format and the individuals who come to the DZ know who Cooper was. Remember WHY I came to the DZ. Old jumpers, facts, chutes, harnesses - I was looking for information and there has been a lot of that. I found immediate pre-judgement and a hostile atmosphere on the other site. A young man I have not met has prejudged me by the negative information he has been given about Jo....how sad! I actually was looking forward to meeting this young man someday. Guess I better get some sleep - get the results from one test tomorrow and I am really really up tight...Have a feeling I will be faced with a lot of decisions pretty soon. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I can't seem to keep a good link for the site. So have to go thru the back alley and that is a long way around. Like I said there is not much for me to say in that thread and I am not going to go thru all I have done here to present the case against Weber. I think I have a better chance of find something by hanging out here than over there. Here at least those who drop by are able to send me things they think might help. Old jumpers are attracted to this site and why I came to the DZ in the first place so many yrs ago. If I had been willing to have let go of certain information at that time maybe some of those still living in 2006 could have helped - I was afraid to state names and places and conditions - NOW, I am NOT....but individual who contacted me in the very beginning have now deceased. There was 2 old guys who posted - you can find them in the closed thread - ONE of those I wanted to meet, but didn't had the time or the means. He sent me an email and I had a hard time back then keeping & filing & printing things...Today I have forgotten his name but if I saw it I would remember it. That is how my mind works it is visual. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Maybe you can get Blevins to take KENNY over there - I don't have time to move - so I will just stay were I am comfortable and answer any questions that come my way. Will not be doing as much as I have in the past - too old, tried and sick. Besides - I would be in the same room as Bruce and YOU know I can do without him just fine! I WILL NOTE I have only had one TAKER on some information I threw out to see if any one knew anything. Pennington...377 sent one but it is not the right Pennington. The other man is Harris and he was an old jumper who lived in WA -do not know if he was a smoke jumper, sevice jumper or forestry jumper - THEY did have BOTH at one time in WA. Forestry and smoke jumpers where 2 different categories for a period of time. I actually for got the 3rd person I need to find... His name was Richards or Richardson and he was an old jumper and he worked communications...and also some other involved government wori. First name Ben for Benjamin....lots of the around but have not found he right one. He used to live not too far from the Corner Tavern right in the flight path...he washed his clothes in a creek. Haven't been able to find relatives - he was older than Duane. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yea, with Blevins shoveling coal on the fire to keep the engine going. So you think the other thread will survive? Same suspects - Same people and same old things over and over...Galen Cook who has chased many Cooper's over the yrs - still at it and waging a battle for Gossett. ONE of his MANY suspects over the yrs. Bruce doing his TWISTing - perhaps he needs to turn on the music and actually twist to loose some of his weight - then he wouldn't have to worry about his heart.

You keep making things out of nothing. I personally spoke to LYLE several times over the yrs...HE does NOT believe Kenny was Cooper - HE JUST "THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE A GOOD STORY". His words in quotes. So why to you continue to try to convict a GOOD guy of a bad thing? To line YOUR own pockets and for YOUR own SELF-ESTEEM. U find it impossible to even explore other subjects - U are so vested in KC U would not believe the truth if someone put a 20 in your hand that HAD been locked in a safe deposit box of a suspect with D.B. Cooper written in red ink. Yet, you go on and on and on about the details you created about other individuals that has caused them to seek solace and escape for the grip of Blevins. These people want to BE RID of U. They do NOT believe KC was Cooper. Do you have a picture of the woman taken between 1991 and 1993 - was her hair died a dark color and was she a little on the heavy side....busty. Didn't she make a trip alone during that time frame....? She had a Dark Blue suit, but not Navy - it was a different kind of Blue. WHY would she even give a rats ass about the FBI if she wasn't hiding something or in fear of something such as prosecution or retaliation. There is a picture of Duane near Twisp! YOU didn't even go look for it and I told you were to find it. She had knowledge of the crime but was not part of it - that is all....why didn't you go find that picture I told you about? She might have knowledge and Geestman might have knowledge of who Cooper could have been - Maybe they are all connected to Barb Drayton. Do you see the possiblities you opened up a can of worms and everyone is scared. Instead of going to the FBI you investigation on your own - you set out to write a book and you got your wires all crossed. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo is NOT part of the problem with the new site cause she is NOT posting and Has NO need to post. If I have a question I will field it to Mrshutter and he can get the answer for me. I just enjoy reading what they are up to - and the train of thought. Since I am open to things that make sense -I am not put off by their postings...but, they seem to stay away for proclaiming on suspect over the other. It is more about the investigative process - but keeping up with the category is tricky. Cook is pretty careful what he says...he knows I have 6 inches of bound emails & communications with him...YEA, I kept them ALL and I printed them ALL. I may have lost one here or there - but basically I have the history of HOW Galen Cook developed his story. He is VERY aware that some things he did were unethical and he knows I covered my ass....although he didn't know it at the time. Frankly I like Glacier boy, but he has been ICE in my pants a few times and that get pretty irritating. He has learned never to second guess where JO is going & his favorite thought is "HOW THE HELL did she FIND that!" In the past when he claim this or that - I have been able to pop the email exchange on him. Whoops! Damn the Bitch really covers her ass! I still have all of our exchanges - but not going to interfer with their site...or attempt to post....it will all come out someday. I have more reasonable doubt on a subject than anyone other person has on any other suspect. I will say that Pat Foreman's book has LOTS of research in it - sure would have liked to have had that lady in my corner back in 1995! They sent me their book - I liked it! Even though Barb was NOT Cooper - his history is very provoking and strangely enough I know most of his story - but, did I just acquire that after I started in on the research of Duane & fragments of the Barb Drayton story - did I already know? I have not been able to make that cut and dry in my memory - but, I did know somethings about him and I had seen some pictures sent to Duane by his sister. Pictures that went POOF! Also missing was the girl sitting on a plane in a field and 3 guys working on a plane in a field. IF anyone has followed my story and all of the places I went - this was ONE subject I did not scuff at - not because I think there is any reason to believe Barb was Cooper, but just because his/her story was just TOO familiar to me. My memory is scrambled on this and I am not one to make claims unless I can really remember. I will tell you it was in Seattle that Duane disappeared all afternoon and when he got back he had NOT been drinking and he had gone to see an old friend who worked not far from the place we were staying...when he came back Giddy, but he had NOT been drinking. Over the yrs of our marriage Duane had told me about this man - but not in any connection ro Cooper. Duane knew him/her! Barb Drayton was known to me. I do NOT believe that Drayton was ever considered a suspect before Duane died so I have questioned my memory and how I knew about this man. They both came out of CA and Duane had mentioned mining for gold. They both lived only a few miles from each other in CA. and they both went to the same places...! Pictures Duane showed me - pictures his sister sent to him after they reconnected...Pictures that disappeared - perhaps put in a safe deposit box under John Collins and part of whatever was hidden in the VAN. Why NO one has heard me diss Drayton being involved or having knowledge of the crime - because I had prior knowledge of Drayton and the woman who rode horse. It seem uncanny Duane would have connection to more than one name that the Cooper story has generated - but it all comes in around Puyallup. I believe the answers lye right there in the county archived marriage certificates and in other recorded instruments....IT is just all too connected and most of these things where NEVER made public until recent yrs. WHY I have NOT been able to disclaim some kind of action made by a group of men - to make a statement - with or without support of the government. I don't buy into the conspiracy thing, but the connection are just to much out there to ignore. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I couldn't sleep so I came to the thread to see if you were up talking to your Cooper 20. Seems I have a similar problem tonight. I pulled out that old Ostrich Wallet hoping I would find something I missed. The lining is separated and you can see the imprint of credit card inside the lining of the compartments. The ostrich is so old it is crumbling. Obviously the wallet had been wet at one time, but if he kept it hid in the car that might also explain its condition. I look at the wallet and the contents and think. Actually have spoke verbally the words. "If you could only talk?" Here it is almost 4 AM on Sunday morning and I am talking to what used to be an Ostrich and now just the remanents of an OLD wallet. If that wallet could talk wonder what stories it could tell? The FBI didn't seem to be interested in the wallet for DNA or prints and now at this date the contamination would be overwhelming. Now a skyjumper question: NO holding back now. I need for someone to check whatever registries there are for a jumper with the last name Pennington. There would be 2 of them - father and son. The fathers would be about Duane's age - probably birth bracket 1918 to 1931. The son 1949 to 1955. These are relative broad guesses as I never met the older Pennington but, the younger Pennington would have been older than my children by about 10 yrs and younger than myself. I would say the younger Pennington would be about 64 now...but again that is a guess. I am of the opinion that both of the older men were jumpers, just from the conversations I over heard. I am not giving the first names because the last name is NOT real common...I do not know how they registered back in the days they jumped. The older Pennington I was under the opinion from the coversation was connected to the N.W. - but do not know for sure - could have been the Mid West. The younger man would have been in Georgia at one time. Can anyone tell me anything about these guys? I can provide a first name to someone like 377 who is an attorney and the information would be considered priviledged - it anyone stumbles on the right name and location - I will tell work with you all I can. The other name I need to locate to would be in WA is Harris and he would be Duane's age. I know the both older Pennington and Harris are deceased - I want to KNOW what their backgrounds where. I believe BOTH were jumpers - but do NOT know what kind. Military, recreational, smoke jumpers, forestry... As I have said I have held back because I didn't want to hurt others and perhaps they had NO connection to the past of Weber. Duane seemed to be connected to the fathers of both of the younger men....NOW I want to know. I put all this into the hands of the FBI 18 yrs ago and they DID zero with it. NOW, 377 and you older guys out there can we make that damn wallet & the information talk. THE FBI didn't do their job & I REFUSE to die without knowing the truth & getting answers to the questions I posed to the FBI 18 fricking yrs ago. Georger (I know your real name) I still think you are connected to Tx and you will need to prove me wrong. I think the the only reason you are here is to stop the truths from ever coming out. Prove me WRONG! I am not going without a fight! If the FBI is reading this - they better step on it - because NOW it is in the hands of the public. If there is other information you guys think I am holding back - ASK. I am not remembering all of the things I held back on, but will try to answer any questions you throw at me as honestly as I can. YOU see now it makes no DAMN difference - because now there is NO fear of retaliation. There are some others who have contacted me claiming they know this or that about Weber - well their names will be made public and if they are phonies they will be exposed. KNOSS wasn't the only lunatic to contact me. Maybe these other were actually telling the truth. I will be throwing names out and tell it the best I can - so be ready to do some REAL searching that the FBI did NOT do. Can only do a little at a time and you will have to ask me questions because the brain is not doing real well right now - my functional cells are dieing and I am very aware of this....I still protect one young man because he is NOT emotionally able to withstand the past he lived...but NO Bars held for the rest. Rather than confuse me - perhaps you might lke to discuss outside of the thread what is the most important questions I need to answer.. Basically it has been names I withheld knowing the older men Duane knew were deceased - and that both had sons and I do NOT know how to contact those sons or to dig up information on their fathers. Maybe they were all just old play friends or excons who Duane and his woman of the day associated with and or worked with. I want to be sure that everything I know has been made public - the FBI didn't think it was necessary to research these individuals. Now I think I know why Duane chose me - because of my age An older woman would not still be alive when it was SAFE to talk....I was just barely 16 yrs older than Duane. Repeating that this will be difficult because I will not give the 1st names of the men because I don't know them. At least one of the name was a Sr and Jr...but the other one is unknow to me. Perhaps contacting me by PM's on the names would be a little safer and if you feel sure you found a definite connection call the FBI....not that they give a damn! YOU guys have wanted this for a long time and NOW you are getting it because I don't have time to play anymore and no reason to be AFRAID other than one person who has threatened me. but that person is none of the above. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber