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A lawyer can agree to take the case 'on comp'. Is the jury going to hear the case 'on comp'? Pro Bono is what juries are doing right now and how's that working out? I dunno, maybe there could be a system set up for hard cases where plaintiffs fall below a certain threshold level of income then everybody, including the Judge, works Pro Bono. Kind of like a free legal system. Oh wait, socialism! Crap! In my state they just deverloped a fund to pay people their wage if their employer doesn't pay.

You can pro per / pro se for free.

Thus making it where only the RICH can afford to bring suit. Not at all. Right now there is absolutely no incentive to be a juror; NONE. Somebody would have to pay for it to be worth being a professional juror. It should come out of the pockets of the losers (Who else? The winners? The government?), but if you think about these huge nuisance cases that go on for weeks on end, the amount of money the jury fee would entail wouldn't be the largest part of that anyway. Everybody in the courtroom is a professional and is getting compensated for their time EXCEPT the jury. That's asinine and exactly why nobody wants to do jury duty and you end up with flippin' morons sleeping in the jury box. My guess is the amount of money you'd pay the jury on average would be more than compensated by the amount you wouldn't have to pay the lawyers in jury selection. I'm still convinced that not many people can afford a penalty of $435/hour for the entire time of the trial and deliberation - hence, only the rich will be able to afford to bring suit. Your math is errant, civil juries generally aren't comprised of 12 jurors. I agree with you that the loser or winner paying for juries is crazy tho. Furthermoe, it would deter civil littigation and promote tortuous behavior that would go unchecked.

And how would you select them? It would be a total revamping of the system. People would train for it. You'd become certified as being able to pay attention to details well enough to make reasonable judgements about facts. It would be a freelance position where you'd go down to the courthouse and register, be put in a pool and pulled at random. The cases you're assigned to can't bump you off. The loser would pay each juror 500% of minimum wage for their time which would absolutely cut down on nuisance suits and cases that the prosecutors can't make stick. In criminal cases where the defendant loses, he'll work off the time in jail. It would eliminate the entire jury selection process which is a huge freekin' waste of time anyway. Of course, that's just a rough idea. I find proff juries extremely scarry. Payoffs would soon follow as they became comfortable with the system. Ignirance is a good in a way, most of these newby jurors are very scared of the system, renering at least honesty. Juror nullification would run rampant with proff juries.

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Jury nullification can work either way. So you want liberal jurors? Not making a political statement, but conservative thinking is not real flexible and juts follows lock-stepped. I don't think Airman understands that as a D attny you can't decide whether you want to defend your client or not if you've taken the case, absent cause and that you have to go the general direction that the Def wants. You can modify your strategy, but within parameters. No shit, counselor, you must be a terrorist . Only terrorists think cops are anything but golden. Cops constantly lie and are some of the least articulate, least intelligent witnesses there are. Oh, did I say, least honest as well? They testify as if we should just consider their testimony as judicial notice. We're totally on the same page here. Their only jeopardy might be losing tainted evidence/witnesses they mightbe trying to push thru knowing it shouldn't be in. The very same organization defending deterrence are free from the efffects of it. I've said a slightly diff version of that for years. The flag-wavers tossing around this constitution are simply unaware of what it means, it's just a guise for their uber-conservative agenda. Or life. There needs to be recourse for dirty prosecution. Hell, Gov Ryan did just that, set the entire death row free, so they put him under teh microscope and found some tax or other issue and jailed him. Love teh US crim injustice system.

Furthermore, it's the adversary system that sucks, prosecutors are about winning, not the truth. This pushes D attnys into the same position. If prosecutors wanted other than the win the system would clean up and be more respectable.

Let's let the conservative right pick them, or better yet, just declare the D guilty since the cops say he did the crime. Depending upon the jurisdiction, you have so many preemptory strikes, unlimited number of strikes due to obvious bias under certain criteria. You've basically listed RW conservatives; wonder why D attny's want them excluded? They have a pedisposed bias many of them. A D attny doesn't need a valid case, he/she must work based upon the client's wishes. Funny how the people who pretend to love the US Const actually deplore it. The 95 vedict or the recent one? I'm sure you mean the former. Let's look at the evidence: - Tainted, mishandled DNA and other evidence that should never have been admitted but worked against the prosecution. - Mark "Der Fuhrer" Furman racist pig doing what he could to twist the evidence and truth. Remember that reasonable doubt thingy? Bwtween the 2 of these this is a mountain of substantial doubt. Now let's talk the recent Nevada jury: - 5 of the 12 primaries stated on juror questionaires that they disagreed with the 95 acquittal. - The judge shifted all black jurors to alternates at teh end of trial. Again, those who claim to love teh US Const are teh ones who really replore it. Actually, to be fair, thjey just don't understand it but drop it around as if they do. It's about the process and following it even if we know the D is supposedly guilty. Ever hear of the Salem witch trials? What you're proposing is thatwe go back to that and you aren't aware of it.

Why do you start threads with the sole intention of getting people riled up and then bitch like a school girl when people do? Either grow up or don't post intentionally irritating crap. And calling me a schoolgirl isn't: - A PA - Designed to rile me up? Is it that you mean to post things that you dislike is a bad idea? Again, how do you draw the conclusion that this thread designed to piss anyone off? It really wasn't, I just like to celebrate a vile individual's downfall. I could do better than that if I wanted to rile up you and the lockstepped RW. >>>>>>>>Either grow up or don't post intentionally irritating crap. If you think I'll take a direcctive from you then you have been listening to pseudo-gods like Lush. Like Amazon said, Lush is the biggest violator of making fun of people via names, like "Feminazi" etc, so your agenda is clear. Now quit PAing.

I kwew someone would start a sick fucking thread like this one. I coulda guessed it would be you Awwwwe.... well Happy Nwe Year anyway; I hope your life is still as meaningful after this thread as it was before you are a slimebag piece of shit. Taking joy in another human's suffering is wrong. Taking joy in a slimebag piece of shit's suffering is wrong. I wouldn't be happy if you were suffering. Regardless of what he has done in the past that has been wrong (either absolutely or differing in opinion from you) you shouldn't be happy he's suffering. you are a slimebag piece of shit. WHEN ARE SOME OF THESE GUYS GONNA START GETTING BANNED. Taking joy in another human's suffering is wrong. I agree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=related Regardless of what he has done in the past that has been wrong (either absolutely or differing in opinion from you) you shouldn't be happy he's suffering. Thx for guiding my value system, now will you pls start banning some of these people, mods? I wanna say shit like this too, but I control myself to show respect to the rules. I totally expected this. Even through it was a troll thread to try to get someone banned I'm sure. I'll bite. So you're calling me a troll again, even after being warned. So you're begging to be banned.

You coulda fooled me, all the RW pundits declaring victory after winning 2, or was it 3 governor seats in Nov? Now, this was a major milestone political year

I kwew someone would start a sick fucking thread like this one. I coulda guessed it would be you Awwwwe.... well Happy Nwe Year anyway; I hope your life is still as meaningful after this thread as it was before you are a slimebag piece of shit. Taking joy in another human's suffering is wrong. Taking joy in a slimebag piece of shit's suffering is wrong. I wouldn't be happy if you were suffering. Regardless of what he has done in the past that has been wrong (either absolutely or differing in opinion from you) you shouldn't be happy he's suffering. you are a slimebag piece of shit. WHEN ARE SOME OF THESE GUYS GONNA START GETTING BANNED. Taking joy in another human's suffering is wrong. I agree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=related Regardless of what he has done in the past that has been wrong (either absolutely or differing in opinion from you) you shouldn't be happy he's suffering. Thx for guiding my value system, now will you pls start banning some of these people, mods? I wanna say shit like this too, but I control myself to show respect to the rules.

I just don't see this thread inbad taste. A parasitic pundit who laughs at MJ Fox.... hey, did ya hear the one about the Halocaust? THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFFF W/O LUSH JOB.

So you're just as bad as he is? Got it. Not sure why you're upset then. IMO, while I really don't like Limbaugh at all, this thread is in bad taste. Lots of people, on both sides, have showed their true colors. It's disappointing, but not surprising. Ian +1 to wish harm on another like this especially when it is nothing more than a person being on a different side of the fence politically..... come on.... its sad really. What's sad is you not understanding that I don't wish death to Republicans, just degenerates who advocate humor at MJ Fox, disseminate racist remarks, etc.

So you're just as bad as he is? Got it. Not sure why you're upset then. IMO, while I really don't like Limbaugh at all, this thread is in bad taste. Lots of people, on both sides, have showed their true colors. It's disappointing, but not surprising. Ian I dunno, we're not talking a public servant here, we're talking about a parasite that hangs on the fringe of politics and comments on them while making millions per year. Politicians try to improve life for others on their side, pundits just make money and refuse public office for fear of a pay cut. What's worse is that Lush promotes racism, classism, exclusion in teh name of greed. We're better off w/o Bundy and we would be better off w/o Lush Job.

Got ya ,marked down to be sure I piss on "your" ashes when the time comes! Assuming I die first. Glad your life now has meaning, at least you have 1 goal.

You started the whole, "troll" thing, you shoulda been warned first, yet you come in to laugh at it all.

The diff is that Kennedy gave his 2 brothers and his life to US politics, Lush is a parasitic pimple on the ass of US politics who wouldn't lower himself and his mega-millions salary to give to public service..... yet people feel compelled to adore Lush. Amazing....only in America.

Aren't you ever tired of being wrong? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/human 2. Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals: an act of human kindness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=related Happy New Year anyway....

I'm really glad for all the Americans willing to let their fellow countrymen suffer while corporations make huge profits; I agree, Lush is doing a great job.

I kwew someone would start a sick fucking thread like this one. I coulda guessed it would be you Awwwwe.... well Happy Nwe Year anyway; I hope your life is still as meaningful after this thread as it was before

Actually I didn't. I would post the same in other posting forums that were pure lefty if I belonged to them. I think you are being paranoid. Lush is one of the most despicable people in the US regardless of his following/supporters. Yes, in his case. A person who does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=related deserves to die. Calling MJ Fox shameless for having Parkinson's and claiming he's grandstanding is worthy of death, esp when yhou broadcast it. I'm actually ashamed of MJ Fox for not suing, then donate the money to Parkinson's research. What's more deplorable are the droves of listeners who agree with Lush. So let me get this straight, MJ Fox is a faker by shaking around; is ending his lucrative career at 30 something also part of this guise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zMw1y5M2xE

Clarify: are you saying the threads are about the worst assholes or posted by the worst assholes?

So you want him to fail as a radio personality and you want the US to succeed as... [fill-in-the-blank] ...a now not so fascist nation.

Bye bye, now go worship Lush, unfortunately he will be alive and well to spread his hatred around.