Lucky...

I'm sorry, I didn't think we were talking a speeding ticket. Of course If I'm caught speeding I'll will be issued a speeding ticket by law enforcement officer. I thought the OP was about a different ticket. He was talking about the fascist relationship between governmental America and corporate America. The same example I gave with Redflex and/or American Traffic Solutions is as valid; a priv ate corp sends you a ticket, if you ignore the gov sends a process server to be adjudicated in a city court....... just keep ignoring.

Likewise...in every damn post you make. Well at least you're original.

Considering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it. The cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Calling it a package, you can get down to 9.44. They can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound. Note also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there. That's an intra-UPS policy, not a law. So what you've illustrated is that the gov option allows for more flexibility saving the user money over the private option. For once we agree. But since you reply, why not address this post? Cat got your tongue?

Actually I wasn't banned or warned. I'm not the one attacking others. BTW, I guess I lose the bet. Is it incomprehsable to you that I was busy over the last month or so?

Don't be so sure about that. Cannabis intoxication does not impair driving ability like alcohol intoxication does. I've posted on the topic previously here and here with links to sources. Are you sure about that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8DcjFOD1k

This is exactly where I'm at. As a general rule I think druggies, even pot heads, are losers. Anyone so pathetic to need to walk around all fucked up is an idiot. That said, I think it s/b legalized, esp with alcohol and ciggs legal. That said, I wish the FAA would quit their lame piss tests allowing the junkie to Golden Seal it and pass. If the FAA had real testing, as well as the employer mandate, I would have massive work, at least for the short-run. Crimes committed before acquisition of whichever drug and the crimes after use show alcohol to be a much worse drug than most, yet in fascist America that is the cheapest and most legal drug.

The growers (er, I mean the people who know people who know growers) here can speak to this, but I would guess that the cost of growing pot is less than any tax that would be proposed, nevermind the actual price. It's not much harder than growing tomatoes, though indoor lighting would have an electric cost. I suspect this is the big trap in the movement to legalize for the purpose of taxation. The home growers are going to be hard to tax, and if the tax is high enough, there will be great financial incentive to do it, in addition to the quality arguments being made here. Altho I despise all drugs, the moral nuts are the biggest stopper to legalization of drugs.

That's what seperates D's from R's: your side wants to win, my side wants teh truth. You just proved my eternal point. If you still don't get what I'm talking about, clicky on my sig and enjoy the vid.

Which Jebus do you believe in, the one that white America worships - the one who looks like Charlie on the ZigZag package? Or the Hispanic one with darker features? Or the one African Americans worship, the one with dark features? I guess we can just make up our own Jebus and then say he created us in his image, even tho he has many diff images, depending upon who worships him, her, it, etc.....

I like how Kallend answered my question. I guess I'll just ask it again. Dear Kallend, If I dispute a $50 charge from a privately owned company, what can they do to me? (ps.. I know they can take me to small claims court) I await your answer soon Kallend! Love, Lou I already answered it. With a fascist gov, like the US, corporations have a fasttrack agreement with the gov to file it as a charge and pursue it that way. Just as with Redflex and American Traffic Solutions and photoradar tickets.

Just because it's cheaper to you doesn't mean it's actually cheap. A $7B deficit has to be paid somehow... Are we really surprised the government runs a massive deficit and people see it as "cheap." That's all you've done in this thread. And we know what you add: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Considering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it. The cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Calling it a package, you can get down to 9.44. They can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound. Note also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there. That's an intra-UPS policy, not a law. So what you've illustrated is that the gov option allows for more flexibility saving the user money over the private option. For once we agree.

Considering they do send letters *I* certainly can't take an addressed, stamped envelope to FedEx or UPS and have them deliver it. I have to use their packaging and pay fees over/above USPS postage. Prove your claim. You're taking an argument of sending letter to that of cost. That is, by defintion, a strawman. BTW, yes, and the USPS packaging is a stamp and an addy. UPS / FED EX has their own packaging, so does that mean shit about what? Let's take this back to the original argument. You would then complain that a gov HC program had their own forms as I see it. Again, such semantics as your primary argument.

Nope....BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to deliver 1st and 3rd class mail. Seriously, read up on it and get back to us....Cause you are not even close. Right, they have a different name for it, they call it overnight, same day, etc. Here is a chart for their terminology: http://www.fedex.com/ratetools/RateToolsMain.do?link=2 The drop-down will reveal 20 or so diff shipping rates, so your semantic argument of 1st class vs 2-day or whatever you want to fill in is irrelevant. Why is it that connies always seem to get hung up on semantics? (rhetorical ?)

Worked for FedEx for 18+ years. So, yes.... I have heard of them. Better check again. By LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS. Reference: The private express statutes. Nope, BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to offer the same types of services.... Tell ya what, actually read the private express statutes and get back with us. Here is just a quick synopsis for you: So BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to deliver 1st and 3rd class mail. Seriously, read up on it and get back to us. We can compare the city bus to Greyhound and have the same example. Gov utilities are highly regulated but offer cheap svs. Private services are more freely regulated, offer more svs but cost considerably more. The same goes with HC, of course the party with the Swastika will never let us see how the gov would provide HC under the same design.

Perhaps you've not heard of UPS and FedEx? They send letters and packages from one address to another, just as USPS does. Perhaps you've never heard of the private express statutes . Just like all roads are for military use, we are just allowed to drive on them. Look at public / eminent domain laws, they give the gov the power to take your house, part of your yard or all for that matter or whatever they wish for the good of the rest of us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain So your citation of PES is just another example of eminent domain, so you've done nothing but brought in more support for what is already known and enforced in every aspect of the US.

Ha ha. Try it and see. Kind of like our photoradar tickets assessed by Redflex or ATS, if you ignore the gov sends a process server out. Any fascist government has a tight relationship between gov and corporation.

I know, at least the previous R admins knew how to take descent economies and find a way to ruin them while running up the debt and making millionaires into billionaires.

Then why did *I* have to buy it? You just can't admit your analogy is faulty, and thats just funny. You can't admit that THERE ARE LAWS that give the USPS a monopoly and how that does not allow the USPS as a good comparison to HC. Just like with HC if it were gov-run, there could be minimal costs that are assigned to the individual, the mailbox requirement is also one that is a basic cost assigned to the user. FAIL.

No, I'm just pointing out why your example was a bogus one, since "your" mailbox is property of the USPS, not the owner of the property where it is used. Really? If it's USPS property, why did *I* have to buy, install and maintain it? Why can *I* change it out whenever I like, or not have one at all? You can, you can get a MAIL PLUS MORE type private service and the USPS would be more than happy to deliver all mail there.

Did you buy your mailbox, or did the PO buy and install it for you? Do you pay rent on the PO box, or does the Govt give it to you for free? You are (intentionally) missing the point. The PO has a monopoly by LAW that gives them certain advantages. And that these advantages are being left out of the USPS/FedEx Vs. private/public HC comparison. OK, we'll go with you whether you're right or not. The gov, thru the USPS, has this monopoly that provides ultra-low cost shipping in mass quantity that is generally very reliable and expeditious. This system doesn't care what classs, color or any other division you might be a part of, they provide teh axact same service for everyone. To do this, they need certain cooperations like post office boxes, private mail boxes, etc. They need to have exclusive rights to certain facilities. If a person wants to go to the private sector to get better / different services, they may do so, but they cannot utilize the system that provides a basic service; get it? Not a hard grasp, just replace HC with post office and that's the point. It's a no-frills service that provides for everyone unless they want to go outside of that to teh private sector. If you want FED EX to deliver to a box, errect a private mailbox marked: FED EX ONLY and you'll be fine.

I hope you didn't stand for that and made them compensate you. I'm sure not, just like HMO's, you have to threaten to sue or actually file suit to get them to act right sometimes, that is such a yummy system you guys support.

Despite that, it remains property of the USPS while in service as a mailbox. Right, and we cannot drop regular mail in those FED EX drop boxes either, so the other side is arguing such an invalid and moot point that it exposes their desperation for any counterargument.

These ARE the people we have running our HC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rainmaker_(1997_film)

Ahahaha, that pretty much sums up EVERYTHING in the SC. Thanks for the laugh Bill! You have 2 main types of posters: 1) The type above 2) The type who often post data or other reference when available I guess the 3rd type would be the ones who have nothing substantive to contribute and then defer to spell-check queen.