Lucky...

It happened due to decades of American apathy and arrogance. After the 72 olympics we were all on notice, we just decided to ignore. I have a hard time believing that the buildings fell so symetrically too, but I know nothing of EOD, achitecture so I just can't claim they were pulled. Politically tho, funny how they blame Clinton when Bush had almost 8 months to rectify all the security gaffs that Clinton supposedly did, instead he was on his ranch the entire month of August and never mentioned anything about bringing security up. I think the US knew an attack was immenent, but I don't think there was a conspiracy by the US to assist in the blowing up of the WTC's/bldg 7.

17 of the 19 were Saudis, our other ally.

Yea, the bank bailout and stimulus had nothing to do with the recovery . And if the gov opened factories there would be more Tea Bagger nuts walking around with AR-15's over their shoulder. In fascit America we have to fix the economy by restoring teh millionaires and billionaires, then begging them to trickle some downward. In civilized nations they open hospitals, factories, etc and directly employ people. So what you're crying about is the US system, not Obama's performance. Ahhhhh, I see, the market was in freefall and mysteriously fixed itself. Amazing how it fixes itself under the policies of the Dems moreso than under teh R's. And whatever gains it makes under teh R's is normally temporary and quick, then it dumps. 1) And fo course you don't declare what the right way would be. 2) Actually there are 2 ways: DEFICIT SPENDING or TAXATION INCREASES. History has shown taxx increases work the best, but what does history know, right? Are you talking about the surge without giving the courtesy of overtly saying so? Yea, we're trying to get out by bringing more people in; makes as much sense as declaring victory on the ship as your hero did.

From your school that's a pass you mean, you like it. So you're saying Obama's being a Republican = fail. Maybe so. Obama never promiused that, just hoped it would work. When you have a statement, let me know. Again, make a statement. What of teh war on terror? Obama actually boosted troop #'s in AFG, so do you read current events a lot or not so much? Too many things so far being accomplished. Hope he comes to this. What's deos this mean? That's on Congress, Obama hasn't done a thing, perhaps if you understood legislative roles vs executive roles you would get it. The economy has changed significantly, esp considering it was in total freefall when Obama inherited it. The war hasn't changed. I sincerely wish McHoover would have won so we could have the next 5 terms being Dem-owned.

Oh Mikey, you're so much fun to prove wrong. And to insure we are all on the same obvious page, this is real GDP. http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm -6.4 was the toilet Obama inherited; is that Q his fault considering the Q was underway as he entered office? That's a joke if you think so. Obama's stimulus moved the GDP from negative 6.4 to negative .7; that's a 5.7 move in the positive direction for people with 5th grade math skills or better. 2.2 wasn't from the last Q, it was from the 3rd Q; my, my you are up on your GDP stats . The 4th Q is projected to be around 4% by sources Baron's hoity-toity Dem hater pub cites: http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2009/12/11/fourth-quarter-gdp-forecasts-hiked/ See, stats are trends usually unless something catastrophic happens. TRENDS: - GWB: 5 of last 6 Q's GDP trended downward at end of term. 4 of 5 last Q's were negative GDP. - OBAMA: Every Q was higher than previous, in < 1 year GDP went from the -6.4 he inherited to 6%, a flip that is likely unprecedented. So, Mikey, if you wanna pretend that teh 1st Q of 2009 where Obama entered office 20 days into it is the fault of whomever enters office at that time, then have a good time with your skewed stats. But I guess we have to blame fascist Ronnie for that high interest rate then, huh? Oh, I see, it works one way. AKA: yes, you're right, the market's recovery is way ahead of schedule and doing awesomw under Obama. Those intangibles are typical of unemp stats all teh time. The real unemp rate is now 17% counting all people out of work, but again, that is typical of all unemp stats. at any given time. The unemp rate was in freefall when Obama inherited it, he warded it off thru stimulus and now it's a flat 10%. Not good, but great considering what he inherited. But it doesn't make a body wonder what would have happened if McHoover would have done like his heroes; fascist Ronnie and Hoover if he was elected. Tax cuts and 25% unemployment. You crack me up, Mikey. We have a set of recoveries that are amazing and you want to skew stats to make them horrible. At least you didn't use nominal GDP like before And did the stimulus prop the numbers up in part artificially? Of course, that's why they call it stimulus.

I didnt know he meant that much to you As for the "defense" I call a liar when I see one You're a walking contradiction. Er, uh, I hate him but you better not disparage him, but he's so full of shit, but he's a human and, er, uh, he's a despicable liar but he's worthy of praise, but, er, uh.... Ah, I was not not calling Rush a liar You get the point, it's disgusting to side with Lush, but connies can't help themselves so they do so in a veiled way. After reading many of your posts, I consider your comments here a compliment. Now, if you stop posting lies about what he has said there will be fewer threads on this site related to him I posted vids of him, not photoshopped vids/pics, but real footage and you call it lies? Quit protecting your hero that you denopuce, yet love to worship and then deny.

The GDP had 4 of 5 Q's negative, now 3 huge Q's in a row. The market was in freefall, now it's closer to 11k than 10k. Unemp was in freefall, now it's halted and rounding bottom. I guess if you consider that nothing then you're right.

I didnt know he meant that much to you As for the "defense" I call a liar when I see one You're a walking contradiction. Er, uh, I hate him but you better not disparage him, but he's so full of shit, but he's a human and, er, uh, he's a despicable liar but he's worthy of praise, but, er, uh.... Ah, I was not not calling Rush a liar You get the point, it's disgusting to side with Lush, but connies can't help themselves so they do so in a veiled way.

In a long post full of garbage, this was the best. Pearl Harbor was misdirection? Hilarious. In a typical host of unsupported RW crap from you, it seems obvious that it likley was since Guam was taken 3 days later from an attack launched from Saipan. Remember, it works best when the takeover starts at one end and works to the other. The Japanese likely feared if they took Guam that the US would launch a counter-attack from Hawaii, which they would have. The attack on PH had its own rewards for the Japanese, but to ward off a counter-attack until they were dug into Guam was their prize.

I didnt know he meant that much to you As for the "defense" I call a liar when I see one You're a walking contradiction. Er, uh, I hate him but you better not disparage him, but he's so full of shit, but he's a human and, er, uh, he's a despicable liar but he's worthy of praise, but, er, uh....

I'm sure that Lucky will be in here momentarily to attest to that. Bush was just one anti-christ. Reagan was another. Our Lucky friend will back that up. Actually the 2 were way too pro-Christ, at least they fucked the country in part by those principles, esp the GWB. But they were more corporate / fascist than anything, I don't consider them anti-Christ by any measure, but thx for piping in when you have nothing to say.

I'm sure that Lucky will be in here momentarily to attest to that. Out of anything brilliant to write? Aren't you doing the same thing you are accusing me of doing by being paranoid about me piping it to comment on global warming? Mike, go have a bowl of corn flakes. I don't comment heavily on global warming, I don't have a lot of knowledge in that area; you should try that policy.

That's just silly and doesn't even merit rebuttal. There is nobody with even an iota of objectivity who believes that. I'm trying to make a reasonable point in a non-partisan way, but you just can't control yourself. Whatever. Go ahead and get a last word in. I'm moving on. Exactly. How can the Ditto drones slam you at this, you're simply pointing out in a non-inflammatory way that these guys are media whores. Funny how these guys who defend Lush reallly don't like him and definately don't listen to him ever, but they still like him as they are total dislike of him . It's more fun to watch the ditto-drones scramble changing their story than it is to have a descent conversation with them.

Some of the biggest critics of US Socialism are socialist whores.

Yes, due to technology. Which is why fascist Ronnie was such a dick, he thought the USSR could beat us when it took them 3-4 times that of Germany and they had teh help of the allieds.

Einstein, the Lend-Lease deal and the draft were underway before Pearl Harbor, so our preparation for our entrance into WWII (Euro theatre) was being prepared regardless of PH. And to not stop Germany would be idiotic. If Germany would have beat the USSR and all other resistance w/o us, the we would have Japan and Germany to contend with by ourselves - more brilliance from you as usual. Nothing like supplying the enemy with oil. That's as brilliant as having Arabic countries control our ports as your guy wanted to do. BTW, so you understand history at all, taking Guam was part of Japan's goal, which they did 3 days after PH. I think PH was just a misdirection so we couldn't respond to Guam so Japan could get dug in well. Rate is generally always the most honest way to view stats, it depicts probability. So rate is lame? Statisticians would call you that afte reading your take on rate. Forget Polish Jews, you were busy saying how the Kiwis are insignificant for dying at > twice the rate of the US, right? Also, we were talking military, not civilian - love your misdirections as you pull your boots out of the bucket of shit. That's right, but w/o looking at the chart, they were civilian victims rather than military soldiers - try to stay on course here. We're talking allied military forces and rate of casualty. I'm thinking he's pondering which Giranimals he's gonna match up. So we went from the sacrifice of Kiwis to that of what Bush thinks? What a downward spiral. OK, but that doesn't address culture in regard to ethnocentricity; I see you abandonded your rediculous assertion about that. Comparing one nation's racial diveristy doesn't debunk the definition of, "Ethnocentric."

Most of it is due to recent research rather than former knowledge, but I think NZ is utopia for teh people as well as the place. Yea and they wave the American flag as if they are US loyal, the drones eat it up. Amazing isn't it? Yep, but teh gatekeepers are the same, so that never happens. Moreover, many socialized counties charge the rich more than the poor for teh same infraction. Can't apologize enough for the idiotically insensitive remarks from any American to any Kiwis about their insignificance in WWII and their true importance with a sacrifice rate > twice that of the US.

Here's some more moving pics with words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXkd-NVOyJE I esp like Sanford for defending the mess. The ending is as hillarious as the movie Farenhiet 911 Here's idiot Hannity piping in on it - denying the recession too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF6M-r9uGY0 Here's a quicky of Gramm and his brilliance as McSame's economic advisor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NVjq2py7BA Finally, more of teh same brought together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVj4PLUKnMg

The NBER includes recovery into the recession dates, which is correct, but economists seperate the recessionary dates and the recovery dates. Neither is dishonest, just you for leaving the, "but..." off, which illustrates that the recovery isn't complete. I posted a video, how can you be more clear than that? McSame's idiots made reference to the people whining about the severe econmic times, how can I dumb it down anymore than that; I even gave you moving pictures with sound? The Repuklicans are your guys; in denial now as I'm sure many are? Going by the graphs you call the 1980, 1990 and 200 recessions the same as this mess, the one worse than any recession since the Great depression. To draw a comparison to other recessions is just more dishonesty from you.

Morte misquoting from the master of such. The thread title was: The recession is over, but... The, "but..." as left off by you, reveals that the recovery is no where near done. This is your dishonesty at its best. Now, to the stereotype comment you made. No, this is about your guy and his crew for calling the people whiners for complaining about the recession. I didn't think you had the ability to address that. So your point is that this is a deep, long recession; what's your point? Yes, your guy stuck us in a hole, no argument. Obama's recovery is way faster and better than could have been imagined.

It's so hard to defend that none of the big fans of HC reform here have even tried. Been reading a lot in the last few hours This may be the straw Time will tell The problem is that even if you think you have made some lame case for something, the alternative is your putrid party, which is viewed several times lower than any Democrat.

It's so hard to defend that none of the big fans of HC reform here have even tried. From the party of: - Let's hang Clinton for getting a BJ and lying to congress TO - Let's commute/pardon Libby for lying about revealing a federal agent's identy to congress Dude, your BS carries no weight here, when ya excuse your own and want to hang others, it just falls to teh BS that it is.

And it started as a ....... (repeat what was said). Only in fascist America can we ignore such sufferring and advocate apathy.

I wonder if teh same was said about emancipation and the Civil War? Yea, bet so, so needed change leaves a blody trail.

Yea, Lieberman is a real Dem Yea, if something is badly broken and a fix would be politically devastating, I say we ignore it. Too bad Lincoln didn't have the same mentality. What an accomplishment, everything is way different with SH gone. Yea, it wasn't Katrina, the mortgage mess, the overall wasted economy, fucking labor, the 5 T debt increase while leaving a > 1 T annual deficit, freefalling unemployment, and so many other gaffs. Fixed it. Even tho the Dems are not doing as well as they were, the bad news for Rs is that the R's are doing worse. Don't think anyone is sitting around saying, "golly gee, I wish the Republicans were back in power." The inherited recession and recovery that has been ahead of schedule, but not the 2 weeks teh Rs demand. Which? Still dry, tired, tax cuts my friends type morons tho, right? The RW is boring, just more 'give it all to teh rich and we'll be fine' rhetoric, I don't care what the clown, it's the same message. What message do you think would work?