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More than who? People worth less than a million? OK, I don't have the exact stats. The book "The Millionaire Next Door" states that millionaires drive primarily Ford cars/trucks and have a tendency to buy used. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

What's the difference if it's husband or son? It seems to me that it's more about not wanting to travel alone. Move along - nothing to see here. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

You try again. Plenty of people make $10 million a year or much, much more. Also, the same logic applies to millionairs making less. You see - millionaires don't always buy fancy cars and spend lots of money. As a matter of fact, millionaires are much more likely to buy USED cars and to be more frugal. The fair tax is a piece of shit. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Agreed. The fair tax is anything but fair. No 'fair tax' would guarantee that the poor and middle class pay tax on a vastly higher percentage of their income than the rich and super rich. How is that so? Well, if you have $10 million in the bank, and you spend 500,000 on a home and 350,000 on a yacht, you will be taxed on less than 1/10th of your income. The poor and middle class spend EVERY PENNY of their money just to get by - and will be taxed on 100% of their income. It's just about the most unfair tax imaginable, in fact. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I'd like to bang Taylor Rain to death, Does that count? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

How about chain mail gloves? http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001643.php -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Fuck you. And for talking out my ass (again) it appears some lawyers agree with my interpretation of things: Attorneys defend taping of police during traffic stop Posted by Matt Miller/The Patriot-News June 14, 2007 04:00AM Cumberland County District Attorney David Freed said he will review all evidence before deciding whether to prosecute an 18-year-old Carlisle man for taping a police officer during a traffic stop. But two defense attorneys versed in wiretapping cases said Brian D. Kelly shouldn't even have been charged. The state Supreme Court has ruled that taping police in such public situations is legal, they said. Freed said the evidence he'll study will include not only police recordings of the May 24 incident, but the audio and video Kelly shot before Carlisle police arrested him on a felony wiretapping charge. "Once the evidence is reviewed, we'll be in a better position to speak about it," Freed said yesterday. Kelly is charged under a state law that forbids the recording of oral communications without consent. That count carries a penalty of up to seven years in prison. "When people interact with the police, they ought to be able to record that to show a judge and a jury what happened," Camp Hill lawyer Dennis Boyle said. The key, said Simon Grill, a Reading attorney, is that police can't expect privacy while performing their public duties. "If it's a public interaction, I think the police have a tough row to hoe" to secure a wiretapping conviction, Grill said. Dozens of phone calls, e-mails and comments on the original story on Kelly's arrest have been overwhelmingly critical of his arrest. Police said Kelly was riding in a pickup truck that was pulled over for traffic violations and was arrested after obeying an officer's orders to turn off his camera and hand it over. Kelly said he spent 26 hours in county prison until his mother posted her house as security for his $2,500 bail. Freed said that, in general use, the wiretap law is more a curb on the police than a hindrance to the public. The law requires court approvals before police can set up wiretaps to monitor suspected criminal activity, he noted. Still, he said, the law is "so broad" it could be interpreted as barring recording of anyone's conversation without consent. Wiretapping cases his office handles usually involve people locked in bitter romantic or business disputes who are trying to secretly record another party doing something wrong, he said. Grill and Boyle said case law is firmly on Kelly's side. Boyle cited a 1998 state Supreme Court decision that voided a civil lawsuit filed by a York County police officer who accused his chief of violating the wiretapping law. The court ruled that Officer James Agnew Jr. had no grounds to sue Hellam Twp. Police Chief Michael Dupler for secretly using an intercom to listen to officers' conversations in the squad room. Agnew had no "justifiable expectation of privacy" in such a setting, the court found, noting that other officers could overhear what was said. The court also cited an earlier ruling that voided wiretapping charges against a corrections officer who secretly tape-recorded a state trooper interrogating him about alleged wrongdoing while another person was present. "Pennsylvania is a state that says all [recordings of conversations] require prior consent. But you have to have the expectation of privacy first," Grill said. "There's no expectation of privacy with a police officer." Boyle, who has offered to help Kelly in his legal battle, said citing the Agnew ruling is usually enough to persuade prosecutors to drop wiretap charges in such cases. "I'd like to clarify this so no other people are arrested like this," Boyle said. http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews/2007/06/attorneys_defend_taping_police.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Huh? Cops record audio on those DUI stops. They wear a microphone and everything. Ar ethey breakign the law? As far as understaning the law - a truly just and fair law should be written simply enough for all to understand and abide by without ambiguity. Otherwise, the law is unjust garbage, and should be thrown out. Are reporters breaking the law when they are live on the scene? No. Because the video is protected by the bill of rights. Well, in the world today, ANYONE can take video that will be used later in a news story, so a new legal definition of 'press' is in order. For instance, people who record cell phone video (like the guy at VT) shoulld be protected, as their INTENT has made tthem a de-facto member of the press. If the guy in this story had the INTENT to submit this video to the media in the event of police misbehavior, IMO he should have legal protection from prosecution. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

My instructor told me to flare a bit early on my 4th jump as I was coming in to land, and a good PLF made the landing fun instead of painful. I'd much rather have a good PLF ready and not need it than need it and not have it. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

All the good (read: absolutely freaking filthy) porn comes out of Germany anyway. Or so I've heard..... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

By your standards, so was D-day Since you seem to have forgotten, on 6th June 1944 a war was already in full swing and had been for some time. (Reversing Iraq argument) Germany never invaded us and they had no connection to the Japanese or Pearl Harbor. And they could have solved all of these Israel/Palestine/Iran issues for us! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Well, his whole argument was blown right out of the water when he said "By making driving less expensive, higher CAFE levels actually encourage more driving." Most people drive the same amount regardless of fuel economy or gas prices. And I bet the editor of "Sneaker and Walker" would have a completly different view of the issue. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

True - I'll be interested to see how this one plays out... edit to add: I think that if I were the defendant, I'd use that as a defense. Thank you.

How about if you answer my questions, above? I'll repost them for you here, as well. Where is this special tax rate for "the rich"? It's right there in the article I posted - Payroll taxes. Payroll taxes, which fund social security and medicare,are capped at about $70,000. A millionaire pays 1% of thier income to payroll tax, where thee average worker pays 15.3%. Was that so hard? As to the record tax revenues - first, I'd like some proof of that. Assuming that it is true fact, I'd say that many companies are doing very well due to the war and the high energy prices. These corporate taxes on their huge profits account for the increase. Next question. Negative - Social Security tax is capped at (this year) at 97.5k, if I recall correctly, and is an INCREASE in the cap level over 2006 ( and years prior - more tax dollars coming in. Medicare has no cap. Neither point answers my question about this tax break that the rich are supposedly getting, since that is INCOME tax. Tax receipts?: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cbo+record+tax+receipts&btnG=Google+Search There should be no cap. And source please. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

How about if you answer my questions, above? I'll repost them for you here, as well. Where is this special tax rate for "the rich"? It's right there in the article I posted - Payroll taxes. Payroll taxes, which fund social security and medicare,are capped at about $70,000. A millionaire pays 1% of thier income to payroll tax, where thee average worker pays 15.3%. Was that so hard? As to the record tax revenues - first, I'd like some proof of that. Assuming that it is true fact, I'd say that many companies are doing very well due to the war and the high energy prices. These corporate taxes on their huge profits account for the increase. Next question. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

World Socialist Web Site? No need to second guess those guys. Well, I read Fox News once in a while, so why not read the article and judge it on its merits, or lack thereof? Or just clamp your hands over your ears and yell "NANANANANANANANANA I can't hear you! NANANANANAN!" -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

On the street there is no expectation of privacy. I know there is lots of case law supporting that, and I'm not even a lawyer. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Here you go: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/tax-m13.pdf -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

When I got busted, it was actually the LEAST drunk I had been while driving in quuite a while. My friends and I would flip a coin to see who was the designated drunk driver. Smart, I know. The reason I got pulled over was that a cop was pursuing another vehicle in a downpouring rain. When a car passed me very fast on the highway I checked my mirror and went to pass a slow car in the right lane. Well, a cop who had not yet turned on his flashers was chasing the speeder. When I pulled into the left lane, THEN he turned on his lights and I moved over. A different cop pulled me and said I cut off an officer. I said that I didn't see him due to the downpour, the fact that he was doing at least 90 mph, and that he didn't even have his lights or siren on until he flew in behind me. He was going to let me go until the cop I 'cut off' showed up, being a hard ass. I ended up being a .11, and at the time the legal limit was .1, so I was right on the borderline. I plead guilty, paid the $300, and left that shithole of Virginia for good. If I had more time, I'd tell you about my very sober night in the jail. The other cons (most in there for some kind of assault) said "shit man, you aren't drunk!!!" Ahhh..... fuzzy memories...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

It seems like this is a prerequisite nowdays. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Yeah, damn those Republicans for cutting the tax that the working class pays... So, now the republicans are the savior of the working class? That is freaking hilarious! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Drinking and driving was fun! Dangerous and stupid - absolutely. But damn fun at times. A bit like jumping from airplanes. Luckily I got busted beofre I hurt anyone, and learned my lesson. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

It seems like an abuse of power and playing loose with the law on the books to me. I would never thought that taping police was a crime. A few months ago I taped a takedown/bust of a fleeing person right in front of my house. Maybe I should be worried? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Video recording leads to felony charge- Brian D. Kelly didn't think he was doing anything illegal when he used his videocamera to record a Carlisle police officer during a traffic stop. Making movies is one of his hobbies, he said, and the stop was just another interesting event to film. Now he's worried about going to prison or being burdened with a criminal record. Kelly, 18, of Carlisle, was arrested on a felony wiretapping charge, with a penalty of up to 7 years in state prison. His camera and film were seized by police during the May 24 stop, he said, and he spent 26 hours in Cumberland County Prison until his mother posted her house as security for his $2,500 bail. Kelly is charged under a state law that bars the intentional interception or recording of anyone's oral conversation without their consent. The criminal case relates to the sound, not the pictures, that his camera picked up. "I didn't think I could get in trouble for that," Kelly said. "I screwed up, yeah. I know now that I can't do that. I just don't see how something like this should affect my entire life." Whether that will happen could be determined during Kelly's preliminary hearing before District Judge Jessica Brewbaker in July. No one seems intent on punishing him harshly. "Obviously, ignorance of the law is no defense," District Attorney David Freed said. "But often these cases come down to questions of intent." According to police, Kelly was riding in a pickup truck that had been stopped for alleged traffic violations. Police said the officer saw Kelly had a camera in his lap, aimed at him and was concealing it with his hands. They said Kelly was arrested after he obeyed an order to turn the camera off and hand it over. The wiretap charge was filed after consultation with a deputy district attorney, police said. Kelly said his friend was cited for speeding and because his truck's bumper was too low. He said he held the camera in plain view and turned it on when the officer yelled at his pal. After about 20 minutes, the officer cited the driver on the traffic charges and told the men they were being recorded by a camera in his cruiser, Kelly said. "He said, 'Young man, turn off your ... camera,'¤" Kelly said. "I turned it off and handed it to him. ... Six or seven more cops pulled up, and they arrested me." Police also took film from his pockets that wasn't related to the traffic stop, he said. Freed said his office has handled other wiretapping cases, some involving ex-lovers or divorcing couples who are trying to record former partners doing something improper for leverage in court battles, he said. Such charges have been dismissed or defendants have been allowed to plead to lesser counts or enter a program to avoid criminal records, he said. The outcome hinges on whether the person had a malicious intent, Freed said. Carlisle Police Chief Stephen Margeson said allowing Kelly to plead to a lesser charge might be proper. "I don't think that would cause anyone any heartburn," he said. "I don't believe there was any underlying criminal intent here." But Margeson said he doesn't regard the filing of the felony charge as unwarranted and said the officer followed procedures. John Mancke, a Harrisburg defense attorney familiar with the wiretapping law, said the facts, as related by police, indicate Kelly might have violated the law. "If he had the sound on, he has a problem," Mancke said. Last year, Mancke defended a North Middleton Twp. man in a street racing case that involved a wiretapping charge. Police claimed the man ordered associates to tape police breaking up an illegal race after officers told him to turn off their cameras. That wiretapping count was dismissed when the man pleaded guilty to charges of illegal racing, defiant trespass and obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to probation. An exception to the wiretapping law allows police to film people during traffic stops, Mancke said. Margeson said his department's cruisers are equipped with cameras, and officers are told to inform people during incidents that they are being recorded. First Assistant District Attorney Jaime Keating said case law is in flux as to whether police can expect not to be recorded while performing their duties. "The law isn't solid," Keating said. "But people who do things like this do so at their own peril." Kelly said he has called the American Civil Liberties Union for help in the case. His father, Chris, said he's backing his son. "We're hoping for a just resolution," he said. http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews/2007/06/brian_d_kelly_didnt_think.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

My guess is that lawyers al over CA would start using the Paris case as precedent to get their clients out of jail..... Anyway, we need to put an end to money trumping justice in America. This is one small step in that direction. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.