vortexring

Now that's funny! Sometimes I wonder whether the good old days were actually any good! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Vortexring, If you really want to try and knock my combat experience I'd be more than happy to e-mail you a copy of my ERB, but I'll let you know now that it will only serve to make you feel like an asshole for questioning my service and dedication to my job. I have never once said that I enjoy the parts of combat which involve watching friends or innocents die, I'd appreciate if you and your little sidekick wouldn't put words in my mouth. I'm not knocking your combat experience, just giving an opinion. Perhaps the problem is you feel I'm having a dig over what I understood your opinion to be - and I think I may have been. Where I felt critical of your viewpoint was the issue of enjoying combat. A sensitive subject in itself. But it seems I understood you wrong. So sorry for any offence, or if you felt I was deliberately misreading your post - that wasn't my intention. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Hilarious. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Perhaps this will come to nothing, with more angry black men voting for Obama? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

OK, thanks. Next, is that problem guns? What, like an SA80A1? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

What it seems like you're missing is that criminals will always be able to get weapons, because they're criminals and obtain things on the black market, just like they do drugs. The "war on drugs" has been a colossal failure, and a "war on guns" won't be any different. Outlawing them will simply create an environment where only criminals will have weapons. Since we can't disarm criminals, we need to address the reasons the crime is happening, and permit people to protect themselves, because when you need help in seconds, the police are minutes away. What you're missing is that I'm perfectly aware of the fact criminals will obtain weapons. Why are the vast majority of people in the UK happy to go about their day to day lives unarmed? Even if they could arm themselves, the vast, vast majority would chose not to arm themselves. Where we're different is that we weren't brought up in a gun culture. Guns are therefore less available. We don't therefore suffer the destructive weapon proliferation that Americans suffer. We therefore have less gun crime. So essentially, wouldn't it be better for the people of America to address these cultural issues instead of going on and on about the right to protect oneself? If in your opinion the war on drugs is being lost; does that then justify to no longer fight any more wars? Eventually - I'm sure it'll take a few generations - you'll end up with some rather draconian gun laws. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

The simple facts that if you remove the elements of media dramatization and statistics trying to explain away the problem; you still have a very obvious problem!! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

This is getting funny. In regards to stat's you'll have to look and read again what I'd mentioned earlier. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Here's an example of my type: 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

hahaha! I could be Shropshires twin brother going by the avatar! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Hey, your typing in bold now - does that mean you're 'shouting' at me? Fuck the stats. Funnily enough, I'd feel considerably safer with a licensed carrier rather than an unlicensed.

You wearing your glasses??? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

As with more weapons there are also more people so your explanation doesn't make sense. It's possible the root cause is either people with their unavoidable and fundamental flaws, or the weapon proliferation itself. So both areas should be addressed. Allowing CCW on campus isn't really the issue here. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

This item or others like it don't change my opinion in the least. The shootings are still happening. When will the next one be? Fairly soon I'd expect. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

There are lots of reasons people don't have guns. Do I know your reason? No. I don't really care what your reason is, either. It's not my business why you choose not to arm yourself. It's your choice, and the second amendment says you have that choice. It isn't my personal reason I think that's worth considering but everyone elses. What are the reasons then? The argument 'for' seems to explain that statistically you'd be rather foolish to go about your day to day life unarmed. And people who choose not to arm themselves aren't all stupid, as you know. In a sense it's this mentality that would lessen the frequency of shootings; alongside stricter laws and serious means to reduce gun proliferation. I mention that because realistically it's either this option or continual shootings and massacres as the country is experiencing now. So it seems this desire to allow oneself to be armed is almost selfish in the grand scheme of things. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

haha - indeed. We'll see, we'll see.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Anti-gunners....that doesn't quite fit. Perhaps in this case 'people against changing the current CCW laws on campus' might be better. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Er, yes, going by just the statistics presented by Kris then it is obvious. I said that. Read the text again. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'll take my chances without a gun. But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option. So why? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Deter? no. Stop them? It does have that potential would you not agree? As it equally has the potential to cause further shootings. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Yeah, they're pretty good - I've been tempted to do similiar with SC posters but then I'd probably get myself barred. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Yawn, you told us that last time, but well done.

Skiing? Have fun. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I could spend a bit of time here Kris arguing with you, but we did a couple of months ago, on the same subject. It started to get a bit complicated, not so much with yourself, but with other posters and with exactly what we meant. So I'll keep it simple, as I've already mentioned what I feel over this. Your argument can only make an already bad situation become worse. There's too much theory involved for your side and mine, without any studying of the fundamental problem and its solutions. Sadly. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'