vortexring

The crimes always being caught. Don't be caught! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I love the saying; 'He's got a chip on his shoulder.' I love even more the saying; 'He's got a bag of Mccain's on his shoulder...' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

This is a bit of a long Brit story, but here we go: My mate originated in the HCR - a bit of a gayer non-ferocious British regiment, but there you go. He told me a story which took place in North Carolina in '96 if I remember right. I was there too - but not involved. Ok - two important points: the band KLF had a popular song at the time called; 'Doctor Who.' If you've never heard of the song, or of Doctor Who, you've never lived mate.

(Nein - insert bag of frozen chips on shoulder joke here)

Maybe not - hasn't it already gone to press?

Don't be daft! Who else are you going to vote for who wouldn't do the same given the opportunity? Maybe Jesus, right? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Wowsers - I've gone green. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

It’s a reasonable question: USA Today asked it as well: (all emphasis nerdgirl) “From a suicide rate of 9.8 per 100,000 active-duty soldiers in 2001 -- the lowest rate on record -- the Army reached an all-time high of 17.5 suicides per 100,000 active-duty soldiers in 2006." “The number of attempted suicides among soldiers is six times higher than it was at the start of the Iraq war, with about 2,100 soldiers on record as having intentionally injured themselves or tried to take their own lives, according to Army data quoted by [Dana Priest’s article in the Washington] Post. “By comparison, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there were 11.05 suicides for every 100,000 people in the United States in 2005. “Last year, the Army reported that suicide was the No. 3 cause of death among members of the National Guard.” So yes, the recent increase in incidence rate is higher among soldiers than the civilian population. Sometimes yes ... sometimes no. But I do concur w/r/t maintaining skepticism. VR/Marg Just see [idrankwhat]'s new sig line Is there really an issue here? Military personnel are being subjected to greater stress and hardship than they might like - so there is a small, yet still significant, increase in suicides. If a recession came about, you'd expect the same the civilian populace. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Having not looked at the link, I can tell you Tony B'Liar will soon be receiving millions too. Whadidyi expect!? That national leadership ensures a modest financial income when it comes to retirement!!? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'd rather their colleages noticed the situation first and were able to allow a more positive outcome. As I'd also prefer a more effective system to help personnel deal with any such issues. And I'm sure you would too, so I'm not having a dig. I suppose we're getting beyond the days of 'man the fuck up, wet pants' being an effective means of advice. But I often wonder - sometimes that attitude is exactly what's needed - unfortunately there's less personnel that'd react positively to it. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Considering that these operations could last a full career is it any surprise the effect this might have on morale? Pre 9/11 how many people signed on expecting to be almost continually deployed on operations? I still can't understand how the married personnel tolerate 15 month tours... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

And you might also be able to answer me the eternal mystery of Canadian personnel purchasing utter crap come the Saturday 'Jingly' market? DVD's in Chinese? Crystals made from glass, Roman coins(!!!), and to cap it off: 20th century Sextants! Jesus. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

At this certain airfield there's also Burger King, Pizza hut, Sub way, and a weird Korean eaterie who seemed amused when some of the guys asked for puppies...anyway, regarding Bud or Coors - officially unavailable! Officially..... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Fall guy!? That's neither here nor there. What is important is the rectification. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

So said the man who played such a significant role in spoiling it... I'm therefore not surprised he seems more interested in addressing the issue through propaganda rather than by doing it practically and properly. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Hey, you seem to have 'forgotten' your post, seeing as you haven't replied to any of the replies... Still, it seems that there is strong evidence indicating that the harmful mental effects are much worse than originally thought several years ago. Especially regarding most grass these days in Europe is homegrown and considerably stronger than before. And it makes you forgetful. Man.

Like Lawrocket mentioned, it's all about seeking pleasure. Most technological evolution these days centres mainly on the seeking of such pleasure. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I should hope not too - seeing as I've never said guns are causing crime. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Perhaps because neither you nor anyone else can prove that the availability of the gun triggered the crime. Does Rwanda have a "machete problem"? Well, so what? I asked: 'But how can you 'deny' the frequency of school shootings in America and then say it's not a problem?' Rwanda has many cultural and social problems throughout its society and with it's neighbours. If we had the time we could individually look at them in detail. But at the moment we're generally concentrating on the issue of frequent school shootings in the USA. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

You're more than welcome. But I reckon the stuff I'll be posting in a few weeks or so will have you doing backflips.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'm sorry you're insulted. But how can you 'deny' the frequency of school shootings in America and then say it's not a problem? And that's just one example. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

How quickly you've forgotten the thread on this news topic: Americans Happiest Folks on Earth http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3074408;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Very funny! You said: "I'm not worried about their mentality. I'm worried about the mass ignorance about the lack of effectiveness of gun control laws, and the erosions of personal liberty and safety caused by those who don't understand that fact and want to keep trying gun control anyway." I guess we all know that John, but sometimes the way you portray your issue makes it seem you've other agendas - hence the slagging matches that generally ensue. But I still feel you're not quite able to understand this mentality completely, so here is what I regard a humourful example. It's from when some terrorists attacked Glasgow airport - in Scotland: "John Smeaton just surpassed himself on the National ITV news. The interviewer asked "What message do you have for the bombers?" - he replied "This is Glasgow we'll just set about you" http://digg.com/world_news/Glasgow_Airport_Terrorist_Attack_Hero_What_Really_Happened What really made me laugh was the guy mentioning that he might have torn a ligament in his foot, kicking the terrorist so hard in the bollocks. "Only in Glasgow do suicide bombers need rescued from the locals by the police." 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

You're right - it is a bit otp - I've made it in jest, from the seriousness of the other threads on the subject. And as this thread was more; how can I put it, tit for tat? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Thanks for the links - that made for some interesting and surprising reading. I actually feel a bit of fraud as I haven't quite the time I'd like to research the stats - especially as this is where I'd need it to support my points. And also because there often seems to be some discrepancies with various sources of information people are providing in this area. It'd be good to then collate all the info. and see the overall picture and trends for myself. But as I've mentioned previously, the effort you've went to, to provide this info. is appreciated. So for now, I'll have to wait until I get home, and the kids are at school, and Mrs Vortexring has popped out to do some shopping, before I can dedicate some time to looking into this. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Still, it seems quite apparant which mentality is better for a more happier life. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'