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yea agreed....so we're basically back at 'a true wingsuit landing....probably not just yet' unless we fire up the ACME factory of cool crazy contraptions again JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

air hosed water (again) is one of those things that could be survivable even without a wingsuit (or flare). In most plans, the wingsuit is part of the plan. Not THE plan.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Though I wouldnt wanna see a student with a camera, Ive seen tandemmasters do fucked up flaring, and half unstable freefalls in an effort to stuff a handcamera up the nose of a costumer, in an effort to make some extra cash. Some of those probably would be safer off if they DID give the camera to the student... But I guess thats another discussion.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Look at skiflying records. They could do it without a wingsuit. Its the angle of the hill matching their glide angle. Similar to the slide proposed by Jeb, the wingsuit would be an aiming device. Not the (flare)landing device itself...thats the hill/ramp.... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Experience teaches us that evil plans and Fins usually involve moonshine, nakedness, and drunk shenanegans... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Trea, note how your own descriptions all stick to the basis of a wingsuit. And doesnt involve ramps, metal frames and other external 'devices' that would turn this into anything outside of the normal defination of a wingsuit. For sure, there are some grey areas. But not a single mentioned 'landing plan' seems to involve those grey areas..they all dip into bright, shining red If I ductape myself to a hangglider, does it count as a wingsuit? Or is it still a hangglider. I think its quite clear when you look at something, and ask 'what is this'. For most methods, the wingsuit is only a (really)small part of the equation. And the landing could even work without one, if the aim is good enough and balls are big enough. But its not the method of landing. And though everyone seems to agree on this, people get very angry for mentioning it. For sure I think landing will be possible, with performance of wingsuits coming into 'survivable range'. Ive crashed a motorcyle faster than a wingsuit in a flare would be coming into the ground at...and lived, without protective gear, and without even a scratch. So sure..its surviveable. And I know several wingsuit(BASE) landings have come close to terminal collisions, with barely canopy overhead...and surviving. But geez...just call it what it is....no shame in that? Why this forced pushing for a wingsuit. Landing with the use of a paraglider. Landing with use of a ramp. Landing with use of a (partialy) deployed canopy. Landing in a Cessna with your head and arms sticking out of the windows. Etc. Etc. That aside....its always talk..thread after thread after thread. Lots of ideas (repeated again and again). But nobody doing it. Outside of getting a lot of media attention and fame...so far 'landing a wingsuit' hasnt been anything but 'talk'. Im 100% excited about seeing this become reality some day...but am also (I think) realistic as to defining something being a wingsuit landing, or something straight from the ACME archives.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I dont know which group of students you watched land, but seeing some of the people land hankerchief sized canopies, and proxi-fly them in between mountains etc. Definately not boring. Yup...anything BUT boring. But it also will not be 'landing a wingsuit'. It will be landing 'something else' Awesome to talk about. Will be awesome to watch. But like Jeb also says. Something else than the 'wingsuit landing' everyone keeps bringing up. Will they ever land a wingsuit. Yes. Similar to landing a wingsuit using a canopy, ramp, slide, pit filled with jello or a driving garbage truck filled with feathers. Doing something really cool..but landing via some other means than 'a wingsuit'. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

All of them use their tail as the main steering/breaking method. I second that timed viagra boot-up JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

So do the sugarglider and Culogo The colugo uses the tail quite active in gliding actually.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Awesome...I feel a movie script coming up.. Now make those FPV planes into wingsuit flying basejumpers, and you have the script for Point Break 2 JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Also posted this on wingsuitnews a few weeks back. Looks utterly amazing. Now when will we see FPV and wingsuit relative flying jumps... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Zimmerman, the comment on a scary deployment collection was ment as a sarcastic comment. Not advice.. The jumps seen here are coaches jumps, so the people are most likely working on it already. That aside, I have been collecting some 'common mistakes' to turn it into a FLB flight manual video, to show the proper way, and not so proper way of deploying. Given the feedback on the emergency recovery techniques, and the number of flyers who didnt get trained on those initially...I think it never hurts showing some of the more experienced flyers what they could be working on as well. Some people always deploy in twists, and blame/modify their rig, canbopy, bag etc. While in a lot of those cases, asymetrical or just slightly de-arched/headlow body position is the real one to blame. Though not recommendable, I know several flyers who jump stiletto's, katana's etc. in rediculous small sizes, yet always have quite okay openings due to good deployment technique/body position. Though do have to ad, in case of a single twist, they are still screwed, and looking for a freebag in the fields.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Ive seen this as well...especially the ones who pull somewhere in the middle. Not fully in full flight, not really slowed down either. You sometimes see the bag nearly hit the bent legs, coming down. Though I tell every person how to do a proper slowdown/pull, you just see a few who tend to stress out a bit at pulltime and show you 'less optimal' positions for deployment. Even when collapsing legwing fully, some people (often guys, most girls tend to arch really well) tend to not arch, but only pull arms back, and sink knees in. Going into a more de-arched position at the hips, causing them to dip slightly headlow. It is the kind of thing where you usually DO see the more experienced flyers shine...as they tend to be more in controll of their bodyposition in freefall (though often need a lot of coaching to get the normal flying/full flight position down). That said, Id rather have someone that needs coaching on the performance aspect, than someone who needs a lot of coaching/training on the basics. More experience is always better.. I think a good collection of scary deployments from everywhere could scare people away from this dicipline for sure... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

From the sound of things, Netheravon will probably be the next one! JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I see more and more people jumping footmounted cameras, while not being in full controll of their opening yet, and some of those even have it on the same side as their pilotchute. But its the GoPro age...every boring moment needs to be captured, and preferably without editing, thrown onto YouTube for millions of noob followers.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Looks scary yea.. Something you see sometimes when people dont slow down enough, and pull in a bit of a steep position (mostly due to not bending legs, is what it looks like here). Ive seen some experienced flyers have Dbags hit their fit during 'sorta' full-flight pulls. In freezeframe, some of that stuff looks mega scary. In this case there are comments on the bad opening in the video as well, so no doubt stuff thats debriefed properly so the student can change/work on body position for his next jumps..thats why he was being filmed in the first place I guess.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

You could always try this, to get you this. And that shows you, 200 jumps in the last 18 months is the requirement, up untill you reach 500 jumps. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

There is a lot of bad training happening, and accidents caused directly by that. If offering people the choice of a standard in training, and not looking away and acting like my nose is bleeding when bad things happen makes two guys online who Ive never met judge me as an asshole/ego, Im perfectly fine with that. Namecalling and uninformed judgment calls on aspects of my life outside of this discussion shows its mostly personal gripes and offended egos. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. That negative energy would be much better used doing something positive things for the sport. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

There is no egos. Just advocating proper training. Be it BMI, PF or whatever makes people train students in a proper way. You may be ex BMI/PFI whatever, but you have a proper way of teaching people, and got taught/trained on that by someone. That it translates to ego, and makes you want to flaunt certain ratings or belonging to a group of cool people is your own choice/view. How all that translates to no friends, no life and whatever else it is you comment on, is beyond me. Especially seeing as most people this comment is aimed towards have complete life and careers outside of the sport as well. Making sure people who want to teach have acces to proper structured training is all thats offered here. If you dont agree, do as you please. Nobody here is saying you can't. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

It takes 30 to 40 jumps to fully utilize the potential of a suit. But one or two jumps can already give you a pretty clear view on which suit flies better for your build/weight, and usually also shows you quite well what the suit is capable off. Even though you may miss the finer controlls and expert performance levels at that point. I know Ive seen people strugle with one suit for 10 jumps, than try another, and instantly have a 'click' with that suit, as it just fit their lighter frame better. There is a difference between getting a feel of a suit (how it flies, how its made, how you use it etc) and dialing in the performance to expert levels....that takes longer... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

May have to do with the fact they weigh about 200 grams, instead of the 90 kg exit weight we have JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

That may be recommendations used in France, but for sure not anything issued, promoted or recommended from Phoenix-Fly. 200 jumps is the minimum (similar to almost every other country in the world). I do hope instruction in France takes note of the organisation rules that visiting jumpers from other countries have to adhere to, in order for their liability insurance etc to be valid. And thats next to general safety a and other concequences violation of local/organisation rules may lead to in their home country. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

Flaring wingsuits down to zero, and even brief climbs have already been done/logged on GPS (Visa, sans jetboots for one). The forward speed during those flares is incredibly high. Trying to break any forward speed by a more upright position, results in a stall (not decelerating that much). Canopies have the advantage of an upright body position, feet/body freely moving as landing gear, and even on small canopies a massive amount of wingsurface compared to the largest of wingsuits. For sure its within the realm of survivable by accident (as some close to terminal landings with wingsuit/barely canopy have shown). But several changes in angle/landing on feet are severly unrealistic in terms of actual flight dynamics. The reason most 'close to terminal' accidents where survivable was related to the body orientation being changed from head/chest first to feet first on impact. A big change not possible in wingsuit flight dynamics during a controlled flare without the aid of a pilotchute or other drag inducing device (which than raises the question...where is the limit in 'external aids' to still concider something a wingsuit landing). For most people the only difference between a normal skydiver and a wingsuit flyer landing without a parachute is the one of a big red round bloodstain vs a long streak/smear. Im sure we'll get there someday. But a lot of theory here isnt really a realistic view on progres when looking at current performance and technology. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

I have the facts straight about the cases Im refering to. But with no specifics mentioned, Im sure you have other ones where you have better details as well. Im not pushing any product, but merely advocating safety. Im not trying to 'stop' people from teaching (though they should). But just wanting to make sure that people who do it under a certain teaching standard are a safe choice for those who seek instruction or coaching. And make sure people who teach fully understand their responsibilities. Though Im sure you will not agree (again). You've made it clear you're not intersted in this subject time and time again. So move on..? JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?

In both cases it was people offering them training, and missing important parts of the basic information anyone TEACHING this stuff should know, cover and make sure is understood. That aside from the poor judgement in taking up those people in the first place. But you show your oppinion. Defending 2 deaths and ignoring the gaps in teaching and guidence by their instructors. So yes...it shows you dont dare comment on the actual accidents. Just reply with the same twisting and turning as always. I only advocate one thing. Safety and consistency in training. Regardless if its jump 1,2,5 or 10. And when the people teaching dont adhere to a certain standard, we get the same sad results we've seen in the past. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete?