Jumpdude

I think it was you Dave that mentioned "Piracy", which is a good point. Are there any laws pertaining to internet piracy? Both, sLyride and PROskydiving are guilty of this. Plus, It looks to me like the way that site (PROskydiving) is laid out, with the non members being listed at the bottom as "Non PROskydiving Dropzones" would possibly be a form of Blackmail or Extortion. It appears to be a slam on the non members to discredit them for not being members. It's kinda like the attitude that has been expressed in the other sLyride threads that if you are not a current USPA member, you are not a skydiver. I will agree with Skydive Smoky Mts, I can't find where our DZ is listed now, most likely for the reason I noted in an earlier post, but when it was there, Neither I, nor my DZO had given permission to them to add any reference to our DZ to their site. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

You are right, I was not thinking about the Hosting and transaction charges etc, however, Those are still less than the cut sLyride charges and most likely PROskydiving charges. It has now been proven that PROSkydiving was born from sLyride money, or at least affiliated with sLyride money, That's reason enough for me NOT to recommend them to anyone and to add a little extra effort to encourage DZO's to do their own marketing. We still do NOT need a middle man. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

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I know for a fact that Godaddy does. It's something like $20 or $40 a year for the program. It includes the shopping cart, online store, the payment system with includes the Paypal info, the scheduling and the whole shootin' match. I think the only extra you'd need is the SSL with is another $20. Most secure sites have the little logo at the bottom of the site. Some are Godaddy, some are Verisign etc. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I don't buy your "competing DZ" excuse at all. You've demonstrated that you have the ability to out market most any DZO out there, and possibly even sLyride, so I have to call "Bullshit" to your excuse. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

With dirty or even stolen money? Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

What's not to understand? That page is nowhere near complete, so if there's another DZ in your area that takes them, that DZO has not contacted me to be added on the page or has not publicly admitted to accepting them. If we had a master list straight from sLyride, It would be easier, but as expected, that would be a cold day in hell. And because so far, you are the ONLY DZO who has admitted publicly or via pm that accepts the GC's, We can only go off the previous list posted here on DZ.com. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

So just how many DZ's in your area take sLyride GC's? According to my DZ's page, there are several DZO's who have contacted me and requested to be added as DZ's who do not accept the GC's. As far as I know, you are the only DZO who has not requested to be added, So apparently, you are the only one who accepts them. So your excuse that "we can't afford to let all of the business go to the competing DZs" does not stand up very well, does it? I noticed that just after I converted my DZ site to the consumer alert, you had removed the link from the "Non-PROskydiving" DZ's list. Now we know why. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

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I have one very direct question for you sir, Do you you accept 1 800 Skyride Gift certificates? I just called and talked to a sales person named "Derrick" (may be spelled differently), so I have the answer, I want you to give a straight answer to this question publicly. Note, I spelled it the way the company spells it to prevent you from saying you don't accept "sLyride" gc's. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Are you offering your services as a "Web Presence" middleman? I'm just wondering? Nope, Never! I don't want anything to do with that shit! AND, there's no way for anyone to conduct any transactions through my www.1800skyrideripoff.com/dzs page. The answer is NO, I am not. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I think it's amusing you put (scam) after middle man. It's unfortunate you see this proven business tactic as a scam. What exactly is a middle man to you? Technically...i could call you the middle man. Afterall why give your money to DZOs when you could just give it to the TI? Come on, everyone needs to get off it. SR put a bad taste in everyone's mouth but it wasn't the IDEA that was bad it was the way they ran with the idea and their business practices. Ok, I'll be glad to reword that, Being that sLyride is the scam it has been proven to be and to include Cary's own admission in court that he intends it to be a scam, not all middle men are scams, but, if DZO's would work on their web presence, there would be no need for a middle man. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Why use a middle man at all? If the DZO's would just work on their web presence, there would be no middle man and sLyride, being a "Middle Man" (scam) would either go away or be eaten up by the legal system. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Sir,,, Did you see that? Them rocks just ran right out in front of me! My neck! My neck! Where's my Attorney? Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Are you referring to Jumpdude's DZ list of those who take or not take the Skyride GCs? If yes, easy... Those that don't take the certificates gets all their contact and location info listed. Those that do take the certificates don't get their info listed. Just trying to level the playing field somewhat. Of course, this pisses Cary Q off. You bozos are a bunch of dumb asses. You think you're doing the sport any good? I hope you're done skydiving, because you will be soon, at the rate you're going to narc on every one, there wont be a place left to jump at. So what if Fincher, Holer and Smith did a night Tandem, the S&TA Approved it. So what if a T-I landed hard, the winds got him. So what if Fincher did a back loop in freefall prior to the drogue, he did it in the first 10 seconds. So what if Cary has hundreds (probably less since you people are running a bunch) of web pages that advertise, its advertising, nothing wrong! So what if a few over zealous folks put up a few bumper stickers, no one told them too. So I hope your happy as a fat pig in shit! Since you're single handedly ruining skydiving. Isn't Mike Paiser the S&TA? Yep, I've got quite a few sites, just bought another! (coming soon!) As I recall, Chuck and Berger showed up in court here in Nashville,,, TOGETHER,, and accepted responsibility for the stickers, therefore admitting to doing them, or at least being involved. I for one am happy as a pig in shit with the progress we've made in the last couple of years. Hey Billy, where's that pool of shit? Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Did you win one of those Time Share trips? Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

You are right and the words "skydiving in indiana", my stuff don't come up until page 9. I will say that I have only been working on other states that Tennessee for just a week or two, so I don't expect to see anything on the first 4 or 5 pages for at least a couple of week s or more. That's also why I am doing subdomains for the state and the cities under the subdomains. I've heard that is more search engine friendly. Guess we'll see.. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Thanks, No beer needed. Just keep on promoting the REAL DZ's and educating the public. ***Edited to add*** And keep applying pressure to the DZO's out there who still take sLyride GC's to stop taking them. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

The pages are all the same with only the cities changed, but should be effective at warning the surfers about the scam and route them to the REAL DZ's. kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/goodland-sherman kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/kansascity kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/lawrence kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/manhattan kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/olathe kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/overlandpark kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/salina kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/topeka alabama.1800skyrideripoff.com Alabama city pages are coming soon. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Here's the starter for Kansas, http://kansas.1800skyrideripoff.com/ Alabama is in the works as well. More to come. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Done! Added Gary and Seymour, just for good measure. indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/gary indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/southbend indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/kokomo indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/marion indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/muncie indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/seymour Want more, just ask! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Ok, here ya go, There's going to be more Indiana cities coming soon. Check these for now.; indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/indianapolis indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/indiana/ftwayne indiana.1800skyrideripoff.com/indiana/evansville/ Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Ok, no problem, we'll get that page up over the weekend. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

If I didn't rob that bank my competitor was going to. So I HAD to! Those DZO's taking certs. are choosing to be involved in the SR operation pure and simple. That's why I didn't offer any help other than to remind him of the scam that he is involved in. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Let's get some of those DZ's in Florida to contact us. The only one so far that we have any communication with is Z-Hills. That's one in 17. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org