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Came across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. We are all engines of karma

I realize they aren't the same, and really shouldn't have posted that remark in this thread. FYI. The intent was to point out the BLM's use of the phrase "unavoidable"... and, what appears to be it's casual use wrto solar farms. We are all engines of karma

Here's is an interesting article fowarded to me: Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Technical Note 444 Very interesting phrase jumped out at me in the Abstract section: Unavoidable??? Still reading through this 86 page document. We are all engines of karma

Tremendous! Having three children of my own (19,16,14), I've always heard that the best thing about grandchildren is you can give them back. Can't wait to find out! We are all engines of karma

Sounds like a wonderful neighborhood. My wife does _NOT_ allow me to use power tools. She's worried about innocent bystanders... We are all engines of karma

Thanks for the post. Good read. What do you think should be done? We are all engines of karma

wrto to my long reply to you, I agree well within reason to everything you posted. We are all engines of karma

wrto GeorgiaDon, I've done the same. It's always a nice thing to actually learn something from someone in a discussion. GeorgiaDon is very consistent with that. +1 We are all engines of karma

That's good to know. Species that actually survive long in nature tend to be pretty adaptive. This trends towards one of the things that drives me nuts in our current "social debate" environment. No one can seem to agree on the data. What's being measured? What does it mean? These days, it tends towards "casting assertions". I'd like to expect more from all those smart people living in Washington. I've learned to significantly temper that expectation over my decades of paying attention. We are all engines of karma

Someone sent me a very interesting article (...thank you, you know who are you ), and I decided to post it here: The Desert Tortoise in Relation to Cattle Grazing If this is really about the tortoise, why is BLM killing them by not allowing cattle to graze? Sounds nonsensical to me, having read this paper. We are all engines of karma

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Uhm, how do you think we're enjoying the liberties we have in this country today? Many men put their fortunes and their families on the line. We are all engines of karma

Absolutely, and I'm buying the first round I am absolutely certain that we can, especially after a few rounds. What is your take on private property, and the individual pursuit? What's your take on state's rights? Do you prefer a "market" where there are 50 different experiments going on, or not? That applies to all successful politicians, one way or the other. I'm confident there are ways to deal with this, such as full public accounting of all tax payer dollars, but that could well turn into another thread. At this point in time, there is an enormous amount of history that has happened, a substantial amount of which has been beyond the scope of our Founding Fathers, IMO. While I believe that capitalism is the best system yet demonstrated (as measured by the number of people taken out of poverty), I do not believe it is a stable system. It requires functioning markets, which require many buyers and many sellers. This tends to get out of whack over time. At the same time, markets provide a recourse that a centralized government doesn't. Don't like one seller, go to another. Don't like what the government is doing to you, not much recourse there. What does it mean to be a responsible citizen in a civilized society? Much of that must come from your family, then your aunts and uncles (...your culture, using my simple definition), then an education system. This is a major failing in our society right now. At this point in my life, I am firmly convinced there is absolutely no such thing as "for the greater good" if someone else is making that decision for you. If you make that decision yourself, wonderful, you're being a responsible citizen. What other recourse is there besides an out of control government imposing some ill-defined will on you? Agreed. And responsible citizens should be doing that locally, not some entity 1000 miles away that thinks they are smarter than you, as a general rule, IMO. I do understand the issues involved here, and it is just another example to me that our federal government has gone completely out of control. Are you kidding me? This is all for some tortoise? Come on... If that land is so arid and inhospitable, pick them up and put them some other place. The fact that the EPA is even thinking about shutting down coal power in this country is simple unfathomable to me, at this point in time. Real people will end up being hurt badly for some goal that this action will not have any significant effect on. Yes, I know this is a bit off topic, but it reflects my general view here... While I feel for the tortoises, what's next on the list? Ants? Nature is going to do its thing, and we're not really going to change that much. BTW, here's a good book that I'm reading right now: Mother Nature Is Trying to Kill You Nature is not some peaceful place. That's your property, you're individual pursuit, and your call, IMO. Absolutely, and I truly look forward to a day where we can do so.

Good read, and well put. +1... Now, how do we reconcile your post and Boomerdog's post in a balanced way? We are all engines of karma

Good read, and well put. +1... We are all engines of karma

Absolutely great band. Spent many an hour on road trips listening to them (...and drinking beer ) We are all engines of karma

Thanks for the feedback. I rarely follow links on this website, so I really can't comment on the BS links. I do read quite a bit, and agree with your statement re: "silly logic failures". Specious is the word I find myself using most often these days. There are also quite a few people on this site that I simply choose to ignore, and it's possible you're seeing that as acceptance on my part. It's not, FYI. Moderator bias is pronounced here, IMO, and has been for a while. We are all engines of karma

+1... BTW, when the Russians took Berlin (...just Berlin), they lost 5,000+ men per day for over a month. Our military commanders were shocked and appalled. WWII was simply staggering in scale and devastation. Few people are left that fully appreciate its magnitude. We are all engines of karma

+1, without a doubt. Including the moderators. We are all engines of karma

I know better than to respond to something like this, but I simply can't help myself here, quade... We are all engines of karma

Good read. Thanks! We are all engines of karma

This govt is out of control. Just wait until Obamacare decides your hobbies are too dangerous... There is no balance here... We are all engines of karma

And you drove this in Houston???

How do you know this? Who is we? Just double checking here, are you saying Al Gore types are rational? Unbelievably specious analogy. Not at all relevant to this thread. So, even if all of the USA said "Yes, we must do something now!", what impact would that really have on this problem? +1, as long as pilots stop getting blinded by the solar farms, and we figure some way for the eagles to stop flying into the turbines. We are all engines of karma

If I'm reading your intent here correctly, you and other folks that say "it's about the oil" when it comes to the American military are,... what's the word..., ridiculous. If it was really about the oil, we'd own the oil in about 2 weeks. Considering we haven't done that, then your premise seems to be misplaced, IMO. I'm still waiting for someone who thinks like I'm seeing you think to write a book,... something along the lines of "Living in Trees For Dummies". I promise I'll not only buy it, but I will actually read it. We are all engines of karma