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Oooookay. Let's forget what affect striking at the second spoke of the "axis of evil" might unleash in the terms of global hostility towards us and consider something simple like Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz and essentially blockading a significant portion of the world's oil supply? The repercussions of an attack on Iran are going to be significant and long term. The "we'll be greeted as liberators", and "maybe six weeks but certainly not six months" and "hard to imagine that we'd need more troops than the initial invasion force" and "it will be paid for by......" isn't going to work this time. I think (and I can't believe that I'm quoting this guy) Grover Norquist said it best in the article I posted: "Everything the advocates of war said would happen hasn't happened," ... "And all the things the critics said would happen have happened. [The president's neoconservative advisers] are effectively saying, 'Invade Iran. Then everyone will see how smart we are.' But after you've lost x number of times at the roulette wheel, do you double-down?"

Quite possibly. But what now, have a President with no credibility, weakened military and huge public war debt go and start another war? I swear these people act like they're on a mission from God, and we all know how those turn out. If these leaders don't try some actual diplomacy for a change, we're screwed. Unless of course we can get another tax cut for the top 2%.

Just to add some more to consider: "It is absolutely parallel," says Philip Giraldi, a former C.I.A. counterterrorism specialist. "They're using the same dance steps—demonize the bad guys, the pretext of diplomacy, keep out of negotiations, use proxies. It is Iraq redux." http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/whitehouse200703?printable=true¤tPage=all

I do think it's a big deal and I have thought so for quite some time. And I really am quite happy that some of this stuff is seeing the light of day, again. I suppose my issue with this is that it's just one more example of how the media failed to do its job in the lead up to the war. The Office of Special Plans, who was involved and what it was doing were reported but then somehow forgotten when it was time to write the next story or have the talking head read it off the teleprompter. So yea, I'm happy that this big deal will get some airplay but even in this, what should be, "I told you so moment" of satisfaction I still can't help but be perturbed by the lousy work that the "liberal" media puts out. We'll see if things are changing. I'll wait to see if this story eclipses the Pelosi non-story before I lighten my views on the media's ability to do their job.

Was that part of the scope of this study? When Congress authorized the 9/11 commission investigation the Democrats wanted the study to include how the executive branch was involved in the dissemination of the intelligence. The R's promised that they'd do it as a second and separate study and that they'd get to it right after the 2004 election. After the election Pat Roberts stalled, then basically stated that he wasn't going to do it. He's been catching flack from the Dems because of it and he apparently relented allowed a part of the investigation to go forward. edited to add: Actually, after further reading, this is starting to look like a different investigation into the same thing that the intelligence committee was supposed to address. Developing......

QuoteI nominate this fucker to be the first televised execution in the USA I'll do it and I'll shoot the video for free. Sick fucker.

Because it's very old news. I thought it was about an official report released by the Pentagon, this week. While it addresses actions (or attitudes) from four years ago, it seems to be the first official statement/investigation on the matter. But the fact that the VP and the office of special plans were concocting their own intelligence in the lead up to the war is not news. And if anyone missed the link, Feith is/was also another PNAC player.

Because it's very old news. Regardless, I will admit that I like to see it in print. I was wondering if the Dems were going to finally get back to this issue now that Pat Roberts is not obstructing it anymore. Maybe this will finally get that second part of the 9/11 commission investigation rolling again.

Along with $400 billion of our own And counting. At least, they're counting. I'm guessing, we should give them credit for that. Just to throw in a little perspective, $12 billion was the figure I heard as an estimate for building a hydrogen infrastructure to support fuel cell cars. Funny, that amount of money is so massive that we can't use it here in the US to start trying to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels but we have no problem throwing it out of the back of a truck in a war zone.

The part about him cutting of someone's hand and beating them with it. Walt Yea, because THIS is so much more American (from a neighboring thread) PHILADELPHIA (Feb. 8) - A man angry his toddler daughter wouldn't go to bed knocked her unconscious and left her to die outside in single-digit temperatures, police said.

How many people in this forum think this is "news"? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387.html

Along with $400 billion of our own

No, THIS is hysterical!!! LOL!!!!!! http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/08/dontask-platoon/

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Hey, just a heads up while you were stooping down to pick up Pelosi's nickels and dimes your wallet fell out of your pocket and Bremer has your credit card

Thereby insuring that we'll be in a perpetual state of undeclared war. (e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, ...... OBL (2002) http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

I think the first one was "I'm a uniter, not a divider"

Would have been a better choice for the title of the thread

Actually the issues I have aren't really related to the discussion board. It's the fact that this sort of non-news hack job crap is contagious in the "liberal" media and it has the tendency of eclipsing actual news stories. This nonsense has already made it to the Washington Post. Oh well, I guess the only thing that will kill it would be if Hillary were to get a tattoo. Don't worry, I'll try refrain from trying to infuse any logic into the fetish feeding frenzy. Enjoy!

Ok, so what IS the real problem here? That her plane might be bigger? Maybe her ass is bigger and she needs more room! Hmmmm, that can't be it....we're talking about Hastert. Ok, I've got it.... can we let it go if she works more than three days a week and doesn't build a taxpayer funded parkway to her personal real estate holdings? Man, I can't believe that we're talking about this instead of Prince's phallic dislpay at the superbowl!

This was slightly amusing at first. Now it's just getting sad. This is just another fine example of how the rabid right(eous) can make a HUGE noise about nothing of any real consequence. And for the life of me I can't figure out how they get away with it, other than the "liberal" media's blind complicity. If they want to bitch about CO2 footprints then why don't they scrutinize Bush's travel habits. I think I recall a MD to NJ flight in Airforce One recently to give an energy policy speech. If they want to bitch about government waste then why aren't they patting Waxman on the back for the fiscal accountability fest that he's conducting this week? Seems to me that this is either simple partisan bullshit meant to detract or distract or just a case of plane envy.

Pompous circumstance

. Funny, an hour ago she was wanting a 747. Now it's a "smaller faster jet". Make up your minds which way you want to spin this non-story. Hey, at least they're not pre-occupied with how much her hair cuts cost.........yet. I guess they have to hate her for something, otherwise they're stuck just watching her do the job that her predecessor was incapable of. You know, funding the government, holding debates on wars, holding the executive accountable. Kooky stuff like that.

Well, considering the rumored Coulter gangbang crew consists of Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Hannity, Tom Delay, and "Big" Dick Cheney, it IS a bad thing. Oh damn. With that image in my mind......I feel.......dirty. That's a whole room full of people giving "the ugly face" that I could have gone without thinking about.

It's because they don't want to talk about actual news, like people carrying $9 billion of taxpayer money and saying "huh....gee, I wonder where all that went. Oh well, gimmee that medal of freedom and I'll be on my way".