jenfly00

Well, see. I don't quite know what to say about your on-going hatred of any religious comment. I just don't get it. Any way you can clarify things for me? I mean, I'm not religious, but my brother is. And he is one of the most tolerant, patient, kind men I know. Same goes for someone else on these boards that you tend to mix it up with. Neither of them - although praying daily, and practicing their spiritual beliefs and walking the walk - are psychotic. I wonder why you think it's appropriate to label people as mentally ill who don't believe the same thing as you do? Ciels- Michele You characterise my feelings as hate. Not true. If people believe that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior, or that they have personal, intimate conversations with the almighty, that is their choice. I'm not going to pretend this is not nuts, however. It delusional behavior smiled upon my most of society (in this country). Essentially harmless (as individuals) and I wish them well. I heard a conversation around the bonfire a few years ago where a crusty old skydiver was taken to task for his 'intolerance' of religion. He used an analogy that it was like someone who bought (rented?) hookers every night. Fine and dandy but don't expect him to listen respectfully as they talk about 'true love'. If people choose to be delusional (and, as I understand it, delusional beliefs are, by definition, psychotic) and aren't fucking with me, more power and happiness to them. Just because they are nuts in this one area, doesn't mean they could not be tolerant, patient and kind in the rest of their life. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Looking like a fool is a small price to pay to save our country from the new patriots who are traitors to what they profess to believe in, America. Reminds me of previous 'patriots'. This was a line from KKK flyers distributed in the 1920's: "No Law Abiding Citizen Need Fear This 100-Percent American Organization" You know, in that era, those who waved the flag and called themselves patriots were hanging Blacks from trees and forming organizations based on intimidation, hatred and fear. Seems like the more things change, the more thay stay the same, don't it? Amazingly, this did little to tarnish their image. It was the exposure of fraud, crime the raping to death of a young woman by “Grand Dragon” D.C. Stephenson that resulted in their loss of credibility. That was when we had a president who fought the hate based organizations. Now we have one who supports and encourages them ...and you are proud of that?!?!?! Opposing these people makes looking like a fool a badge of honor. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

You really have to understand that outside of Texas this is generally regarded as fuckin nuts. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I once had the post office refuse to deliver mail because my dog was in the front yard. They mail me a notice ...which they refused to deliver. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I pray to god, every day, for forgiveness. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I suspect most people are unwilling to turn over to their lives to psychosis and have conversations with mythical beings on a daily basis. They save the delusional behavior for really special occasions. Kind of like using the good china. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

If nothing else, you are consistent. In all fairness, I suspect the shrub was told it was true by the powers that run him. Not having the mental acuity to determine for himself what happened, he believes them. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

The doc makes his own decision, no? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

pretty short actually "The page cannot be displayed" Fixed A most interesting read! Thank you. The times were fueled by racism (remember, this was a time when all middle-aged citizens experienced the beginning of the transition of Blacks from property to free men and women) and economics. There have always been members of society who thrive on hatred and fear. When times are right, they find larger audiences of more or less good people. To look back on the times and see the evil these people worked is frightening. To see their successors working the same evil today is even more so. The 1920's and 30's were, however eras of social fascism with severe unemployment in the 30's motivating good people to do bad things ...much like the new patriots of today. I read the words of the 'patriots' posting here, waving the flag and justifying removing basic freedoms for the 'greater good' and wonder if history will remember them with the same revulsion we now view these dark souls of the 20's and 30's. What differences exist between the present and the social structure then. What they had, was Franklin and Elenor Roosevelt. A president who took extrodinary measures to heal his country and a first lady who unyeildingly stood her ground against racial hatred. Together, with other good people, they helped turn the tide and were insturmental in preventing social fascism from becoming a fascist government. What we have is a president (or those who control him) who feeds the fear to increase their power and profit. If the 'patriots' continue to grow and spread, who will stand before them in opposition without the government stepping in with whispers of 'terrorist' and 'patriot act' dissipating in the night? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Then she could do it her fucking self. The doctor should have caught it and refused to cooperate. She chose a method that was peaceful, painless and endangered no others. Why does this offend you so??? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

pretty short actually "The page cannot be displayed" ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I don't. The depression up to and including the start of WWII was ripe for a fasist takeover. Came pretty damn close, too. We're not nearly that far gone....yet. Really? I wasn't around then, but are you are saying the times were more or less conducive to a classic definition of fascism? Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. That would explain locking up all the Japanese citizens while letting those of German heritage remain free, I suppose. So you're saying Herbie Hoover and Frankie D. suppressed American citizens through terror and censorship under the banner of beligerent nationalism??? What was it, the WPA or the CCC? Certainly wasn't what I was taught in American History, but then all my textbooks had to get through the censors in Texas Goes to show you how being young (relatively speaking) limits my views. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Your comment is based on the idea that only one party is out of control. I think that's flawed. (though, frankly, I'd have guessed, wrongly apparently, that you would have claimed the coup already occurred). Actually, with the polarization of the extremes becoming a larger portion of the public, we might consider worrying about a coup from either wing. As stated elsewhere, let's hope that the overall environment pushes people to more centrist positions and results in politicians more aligned with the regular guy rather than just the loud and public special interest groups. That would be better than one extreme or the other gathering too much influence. I don't think the far left could possibly have time for a coup what with smoking pot, hugging trees, exploring past lives regression and the healing power of pyramids. The far right, however, has demonstrated they very much like the go ahead for kicking in doors, warrantless searches, detention without formal charges, torture and other small technical violations of our constitution ...and has a lust for much much more (you know, the real patriots). So, no, I'm not too worried about the far left. Back to my question. Not asking you to express probabilities or make predictions, but if you, hypothetically speaking, were planning to make George Orwell proud of his predictive abilities, would you find the current socio-political climate more conducive to such a move than any other time in the last hundred or so years? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I not only do not believe he is satan, I don't even believe is is much in control of what is happening around him. Be that as it may ... Would you agree (regardless of what either you or I believe will or will not happen) that the political climate of today provides more fertile ground for the possibility of a right wing coup? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I find myself more in agreement with these guys: "The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine "The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both." -- Christopher Hitchens “I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.” -- H. L. Mencken, "Why Liberty?" January 30, 1927 "...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. ... Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." -- Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837 I don't think you are silly. I think you are blindered by your genuine love for your country ...and therefore a danger to what you love. jen "Patrick Henry did not say, 'Give me absolute safety or give me death.' " -- John Stossel ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I had asthma when I was younger. I don't think Proventil contains steroids. The active ingredient is albuterol, a Beta-2 agonist (bronchodilator). Steroid inhalers would include Aerobid, Azmacort, Beclovent, Flovent, Pulmicort and Qvar. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Even sadder. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Sounds reasonable to me. Seems to me like this is more about playground cliques than forum rules. People attacking this guy left and right and a moderator warns him??? Whatever happened to "attack the subject, not the poster" ??? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I'm just wondering if, decades from now, the question will be what do you consider to be the founding document? The Patriot Act or the New Constitution? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

QuoteWMDs were obviously there, and obviously moved before we could get in We're winning the war, Of course it's Bush's fault that some idiot in the Justice Dept dropped the ball. Everything is his fault after all. Dude! Back away from the crack pipe!!! I'ts destroying your capacity for rational thought. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Plot Summary for Why We Fight (2005) from IMDB: He may have been the ultimate icon of 1950s conformity and postwar complacency, but Dwight D. Eisenhower was an iconoclast, visionary, and the Cassandra of the New World Order. Upon departing his presidency, Eisenhower issued a stern, cogent warning about the burgeoning "military industrial complex," foretelling with ominous clarity the state of the world in 2004 with its incestuous entanglement of political, corporate, and Defense Department interests. ----------------------- Press Kit http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/_media/presskit.pdf ------------------------- Left Wing Pinko Commie Faggot Review: First thing - EVERY single American SHOULD and MUST see this movie. This how we are perceived in other parts of the world. It was aired unedited on the BBC in the UK. You WILL NEVER see this aired on American TV. Got that? The most Free Nation on Earth will allow to see the most disgusting pornography and violent images you can imagine, but if you want to know the TRUTH about our Foreign Policy and the War Machine that runs it? Forget about it! If you want to see men in power like John McCain, Dan Rather, Richard Perle, etc tell the truth about what they think about Iraq, the Military Industrial Complex you MUST see this movie. It changed my life. I can now see how this country is run, by and for whom, from a far more realistic, objective place - and that's why every crooked, misguided, corrupt troglodyte will tell you not to see WHY WE FIGHT by Eugene Jarecki. You're an American, see it and make up your own mind! I love America and want to do something to improve the way our hard earned taxpayer money is spent. And how we as Americans are viewed around the world. Things must change - a serious and critical examination the Military Industry using this movie as a primer is a start. You can see it for free here: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/03/1729118.php -------------------------- The New Patriots Review: There is absolutely nothing original about this movie. It should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with Robert Redford's politics that this piece of anti-American bilge is being trumpeted as a breakthrough of documentary film making, when it is nothing of the kind. The tired old cliché of "American as villain" nonsense, (propagated by policy "experts" with high school educations) has all been done before. The Robert Capra films of the same name were pro-American propaganda and were well done. This is anti-American propaganda and is not well done. It is not only boring, it is downright tiresome. If your definition of "documentary" is a film that spins the truth, takes statements and clips out of context and is intellectually and factually dishonest; if your thinking is limited to bumper sticker length slogans; or were able to vote for John Kerry without holding your nose, you will love this. If you think that Michael Moore brand dishonesty "this is a factual documentary, except in the hundreds of instances where it is false, then it is a comedy" or CBS famous new standard of journalistic discourse "fake but accurate" is worthy of your money, then by all means contribute to this new "journalism". Otherwise, forget it. ------------------------ Somewhere in the middle review: The best film on the subject we've seen. Comprehensive, sweeping, factual; it covers many points of view but it is always the facts that rivet us and help us understand. "Why We Fight" clearly explains the reasons, starting with World War II right up to Iraq. The film features many luminaries, including the two US pilots who launched the first bomb strike on Baghdad, Senator John McCain, retired CIA experts, pentagon experts and ordinary citizens. The cinematography is first rate. The archival footage is rare and choice. The clips from Dwight D. Eisenhower are relevant and compelling. Highly recommended. Make sure you see this movie either in theaters or on DVD when it becomes available. It may still be playing on HBO. Worth going out of your way for this documentary. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I agree with what you said (and didn't say). However, Texans, as a group, are apparently well known for intolerance of intelligent discussion (or publication, at least). For decades (still?), the Texas State Board of Education was used as the lowest common demoninator to approve or disapprove proposed school books for national circulation. If it was approved in Texas, it was assumed to be sufficiently void of 'non-traditional' data to be approved anywhere ...and thus be worth the investment risk for publication. In short, experience taught national publishing houses that Texas was the ideal test bed for censorship and intolerance. While recognizing that statistical exceptions always exist when talking about 'all Texans', that pretty much gives me a good overall picture of the state. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Okay folks, we've seen several messages like this now. I ignored the first one. But now it's too much. Just because some cop or DA is a prude and wants to prosecute stupid sex laws, does not mean that everyone in the state of Texas is a backward barbarian. Do not paint us all with the same brush. That's called: "bigotry". Nope, it's called Texas, where people are proud to be conservative with their thinking. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Affleck, Schmaffleck. On the same show, Ann Coulter ...I repeat Ann Coulter, in response to how she's feeling about Dubya's recent conduct, states she's "running scared"!!!!! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".