jenfly00

True, but consider it a great screening device. The types that are programmed to want the painted dolls are NOT relationship material (as all dolls find out, eventually). It's taken me a long time to find who I am and have the strength to be me. The quality of my relationships has improved because of it. When it comes to business relationships, I don't know what to tell you other than be who you need to be; who you have to be; who you are. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

BEER!!!!!! \_/.....\_/.....\_/..... Thanks! I promise I will pay up just as promptly the first time I'm wrong. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

BEER!!!!!! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/wernicke_korsakoff/wernicke-korsakoff.htm Is this info incorrect? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Thats a cool phenomenon. I'll have to put myself in that state later. Let us know if God tells you to kill people. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Holy Moses! God, talking again to GWB? How come? I'm lost. I suspect Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome. The cause is generally attributed to malnutrition, especially lack of vitamin B1 (thiamine), which commonly accompanies habitual alcohol use or alcoholism. Patients often attempt to hide their poor memory by confabulating. The patient will create detailed, believable stories about experiences or situations to cover gaps in memory. This is not usually a deliberate attempt to deceive because the patient often believes what he is saying to be true. Symptoms & Signs -Loss of memory, can be profound -Inability to form new memories -Confabulation (making up stories to explain behavior that have little relation to reality) -Hallucinations ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

My claims? I'm somewhat speech(key?)less. I've been sitting here wondering how to respond to this. Claims? You mean like if I claimed millions of people were murdered in the Holocaust?; how bout my claims that we once enslaved generations of Blacks resulting in major societal/cultural/legal/interpersonal problems today? But, let's stick to the 'claims' under discussion. To deny that the pervasive history of the social/legal/cultural/emotional/physical/reproductive oppression of women still plays a major role in how society views women (and worse, how we view and value ourselves) is to leave the admittedly sometimes confining borders of reality and wander around in a personal fantasy land. My main focus, motivated by my own experiences, is that women have bought into what Naomi Cambell calls 'the beauty myth' as a determination of our individual and cultural value. It is the chief insturment of women's oppression today and the genesis of problems of workplace discrimination based on beauty, sexual harassment, huge expenditures of money (and years of our lives) on beauty products, suppressed sexuality, eating disorders, and self-inflicted violence. Let's use sexual harassment as a specific. The govt passed laws concerning sexual harassment till it became ludicrous. Innocent and completly human comments and behaviors were viewed with suspicion and fodder for legal action. Part of my 'solution' is to talk, discuss, communicate, have dialogue if you will. As women, I hope we can rise above the 'value' that has it's origin as making ourselves marketable as wives or prostitutes. Individuals, dude ...individuals talking, sharing, changing (or not) as they choose. Personally, I'd like to see some changes. I freely discuss these problems in the hopes that individuals will consider the issues and make their own choices. Tell me about it. You mean like, "socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'." Dude, You are starting to posture, at the expense of communicating. You come up with a 'slam dunk' of culture from "My solution is ...dialogue. To discuss issues, exchange feelings and ideas"? I believe we are (kind of) in agreement here. Your statement is correct, but only half of the equation. We, as individuals, are in a symbiotic relationship with our culture. Each influences the other. I'm curious where you get that I'm asking the government for anything. I've frequently expressed that I oppose legislation designed to give 'privledge' to women. I do insist, however, that it not impede our struggle for fair and equal treatment within our culture. That whole right to vote thing was much appreciated.

Say what!?!?! Where do you come up with this stuff? The police employ children to enter into sexually charged online conversations????? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I agree with you. Isn't there anything that can be done to change such a law? We start with addressing the artificial standards and expectations forced upon genders from birth and perpetuated by the mothers raising the children. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Justices Lewis Powell, Earl Warren, William Douglas, Felix Frankfurter, Hugo Black and Louis Brandeis had never served on the bench and, ideology aside, I don't think you will find significant criticism with their performance on the SC. Then there is Abe Fortas ... an idiot appointed by LBJ for his personal servitude and loyalty to the president Is Myers a female Abe Fortas? I don't know. I won't fault her on lack of judicial experience, but it appears she has been a life long politican with a long history of service and use to the shrub. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I don't know, once you write a solution instead of a very subjective and emotive perceived problem statement, then that dialogue would be fun. I only disagree with your problem statement. "I don't know" your solution because you offered none. (If that last bit was not directed at me rather than just generalized grumbling, then skip the rest, but you seem to be coming at me with) "the approved tribal gestures and noises"....intending to "socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'... pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting correctly". It's funny that you throw that out as an accusation, but your last post is full of that very thing. I'm serious in my responses to you and was enjoying the discussion until this last bit. I don't see how you consider my advocating us taking on these issues as an individuals rather than by expecting a socialize response or impotent public gesture to be nothing but a sincere contribution. I hope that honest dialogue here is not too liberal for you. (What was that for anyway, were we not in a dialogue?) None of what I wrote was directed specifically at you with the exception of your generalized disagreement with an unspecified position. What you believe and support can, to a limited extent, be extrapolated from your posting history. Hard to make a call on specific issues, but I don't read you as particularly supportive of removing societal obstacles to women's choices. I'm not saying you're a bad guy, dude. It just doesn't seem to me that your level of societal awareness on the repression of women in our culture rises significantly above minor updates to your original program. If it helps, you are definitely in the mainstream and I am way out there ...for now. Thank you for your thoughts. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I don't know, I just know what you wrote at the top of this thing was a common statement that I really feel is counterproductive to many causes. I suspect your specific situation is sitting. In front of a computer. Doing fun stuff and occasionally blowing some time here like the rest of us. Oh, and you like skydiving and skydivers. Other than that, probably no different, yet still as special any anybody else in the world. Sinker - Thanks, I read it on the back of a box of Golden Grahams. You don't know, but you disagree? My solution is ...dialogue. To discuss issues, exchange feelings and ideas. I hope that's not too liberal left for you, but if so ...well, I can live with that. I accept honest disagreement with what I say but what I get mostly is members of the tribe perceiving another member not making the approved tribal gestures and noises so they socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'. They say they disagree, but really they are pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting 'correctly'. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Sorry, I disagree. Problems are solved one person at a time. By overgeneralizing it, you take away the responsibility from the individual and put it on the establishment - a faceless impotent organization. It will hurt the cause as long people use that discussion to pass on the problem to 'someone' else. It's easier to gripe, harder to be the best we can to live our lives as best we can and be good roles models for others. The very 'group' you are looking at to fix your issue is same one that perpetuates it. I don't see why you think that's the best solution. Hmmmm, what, exactly, do you believe my solution to be? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

(Seriously - Our experiences are as individuals. It belittles us to try to promote parity between groups and then to bemoan our experiences as caused by that grouping rather than our personal experience. If you've had bad experience from another because of your gender, then you have an issue with that specific individual to resolve, blaming it on some undefined "societal/culture/whatever" is lazy because it's not actionable, it also puts the responsibility on someone else to fix. I'd rather address individuals as problems come up rather than bemoan fate and cry about my situation.) While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

nuts What we are is a long way from people taking "individuals" seriously until we all decide to stop blaming ("them" whoever 'they' are) demographics for personal failures. Just keep drawing boundaries forever. It's much easier than owning ones personal attitude towards life. It's ultimately easier than taking each person we meet and judging them based on their actions alone and not the cosmetic crap so many are hung up on. It always easier to put yourself into any 'oppressed' group blaming others for our INDIVIDUAL failures. remember the whole 'content of character' quote? Character is about individuals, not groups So, basically, what you are saying is that your experiences as a woman differ from mine? No problem. We all are individuals. Congratulations on coming out! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I disagree, there was a post in the Women's forum on it. I won't provide a link because I don't want us SC weirdos over their disturbing the atmosphere. Let's just say that there were some strong indications that many would vote based on gender alone. If you're referring to the number of females who would vote for a woman based on gender alone, then I'm willing to bet that those votes would be countered by the number of men who would still vote for the male candidate based on gender alone (assuming it was a male and a female running in the two main parties)... But I wasn't really referring to how many would vote for her anyway. I was responding to the question of would she be taken seriously as a President, which I think would depend more on her actions than on her gender. You left out a HUGE group. The number of women who would vote against her based on gender alone. As a society, we are nowhere near placing competence over gender. I used to think it was just the men holding us back. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I would find it really tough to make a choice between giving my life to god ...and alcoholism. I am glad your friend found some peace. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

We're on common ground here. I have no problem with women who choose to strip or whatever for money. I would prefer a society that had fewer restrictions on other options, however. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

JFTC...supporting breast cancer research. Breast cancer that occurs in women to men at a ratio of approximately 100:1. -What were you saying about JFTC being gender-biased? That's funny, because you see the disease they are looking to cure is too. You know, the funny thing is that prostate cancer seems to only occur in men. It's pretty biased, too. Maybe you should radio the Almighty and tell him your views on gender bias. That otta straighten things out. -Unless you think that prostate cancer support groups should have equal number of men and women...I mean, just to make sure that everything is equal and all... You're still not over the face painting thing, huh? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I could understand Mike pulling that old chestnut out of the fire, Bill ...but you? For decades, (the norm, you might say ) those opposed to women rising above wives and prostitutes (a centuries old norm) pull that old chestnut out of the fire. Nothing evil about JFTC, I just believe organizations based on gender discrimination have outlived their usefulness while continuing to promote stereotypes. Of course, that's just my unbiased view. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

1) The backing would be small. 2) There would be an outcry that it was a "sexist" or discriminatory" event. By it's very definition, it would be both sexist and discriminatory. Whether this would be "OK" is up to individual interpretation. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Agree with him or not, that's about the most glorious and blatant personal attack I've seen today. A work of art. I don't believe I've strayed outside the rules. I mean, come one. Agree with him or not ..unbiased? My point is would be like me stating an 'unbiased' opinion of women's rights. Any reviews of Juanesky's posts will show him solidly promoting conservative (ultra?), issues favoring war, the 're-defining American civil rights and scorn for hurricane victims that wouldn't (couldn't?) evacuate. You accept that as unbiased? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yes, yes. You are so right. I just sat there thinking of ways to justify it. Or....or....maybe it's just that I am actually okay with men doing the same if they chose to do so. I mean, my dad was in an all-men's bowling league, and my aunt was in an all-female league. I didn't realize that they were bringing down society by further segregating themselves because segregation automatically means admitting a lesser value. I meant what I said, I would find it too easy to rationalize. Anything else you infer is not coming from me. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

No, I don't disagree. I can understand why people wouldn't agree with a women's world record. Beyond the obvious self-discrimination, I can see why people think that we are saying that we need to have our own record since we can't compete with the men. When I look at sex issues, I look at it in terms of, "Would I be okay if this were the opposite gender?" For me that's how I look at it....not in terms of society/time/etc. Society is always changing. Plus, where one person lives, their society is vastly different from someone else's. Would I be okay with men having an all-men-way? Sure! If they raised money for testicular cancer while they were at it, great! Pretty much, if I'm not okay with others doing something, I won't do it myself. You are a better woman than I, Val. Seriously, I know me and know that if I was offered a chance to participate is something that I thought was awesome and increased social status in a group I value ...I would find a way to be cool with the whole opposite gender standard thing. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Just to clarify, are you referring to your ultra-right, pro-war, civil right eroding, fuck those lazy black bastards self as ...unbiased???? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".