jenfly00

Thats right! I just want sick people to just die! Especialy the poor CHILDREN. As for whats in it for me, if you can promise me I will still have the same choice of care I have now and wont have to pay more than I am already I might listen to the side that promotes govt health. But me picking up part of the tab for others? Hell I cannot afford that. Hell I cannot even afford to buy a home where I am at. Find where I can pay more and I might listen. Yep, it's all about you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

If you believe sacks of silicone sitting on your rib cage will improve your life, a cosmetic surgeon is not the type of doctor you need. -how about dental bonding? Does that meet your code or are people that get their teeth 'fixed' mentally disturbed, too? Just wondering where you're drawing your judgment line. Judgment line? How dare you judge me on my judgements?!?! Interestingly, I was just writing about rationalization earlier tonight. May I assume, then, that you believe having sacks of silicone on your rib cage will (or has) improve your life??? Please, share with us. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Uh oh! She pulled the children card Lawrocket. Your now a heartless bastard who wants the poor to die! He is what he is and you are what you are ...neither of you seem to care much beyond what's in it for you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Of those 44 million ho wmany do you think CHOOSE not to get health insurance? How many do you think decide NOT to pay the amount per month? You know, instead opting to spend it on something else? Ten years ago I was one of them. I would have cut into my beer fund. How foolish and stupid I was. For people to have kids and NOT insure them is, to me, evil. To deny taking kids to the doctor because they did not insure the kids is despicable. Would you agree? Or is it society's job to take care of them? "It takes a village?" If it IS society then look in the mirror and blame yourself. You're right of course. Let's continue to deny adequate health care to children because you don't approve of their parent. Why couldn't I see that? Cast all the blame you want, millions of children are not receiving basic health care. I see now why you make the big bucks. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

If you believe sacks of silicone sitting on your rib cage will improve your life, a cosmetic surgeon is not the type of doctor you need. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Did you say the same for Jefferson? Sigh, here we go with the 'my team' vs 'your team' mentality again ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yes, it's just GREAT that the 44 million Americans with no health coverage are willing to go along so the drug company profits are maintained. All the major drug companies spend much less on R&D than they do on marketing and administration, and much less than they do on dividends to stockholders and compensation to execs. This whole business of sidestepping the obvious, main point... and going off on a tangent about an inferred minor point... 44 million American men, women and children do not have access to regular health care is a humerous, minor point to you?!?!?!?! WOW, that says a lot! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

You mean just tax the hell out of us? Do you really want the US govt to be in charge of your health care? They dont seem to be able to do anything else worth a shit what makes you think this would be any different? Let me get this straight. You trust your govt is correct when it shits on the BOR, but not to provide basic health care? How can this be? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Zephyrhills water? You mean the one with the wellhead just beside the waste treatment plant? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Thanks for the laugh.

No offense intended, but honestly, your reaction a bit ...well, Junior High. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Dude! I've met you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959718/?GT1=10150 ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Jump and laugh with on the DZ? Nobody is excluded. Thre are a few bigoted neocons here, however, that I would walk past without a glance, elsewhere. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

No. This would be an example of a far left wing over reaction and the parroting of such by ditto heads that don't know any better in an attempt to say "gottcha!" which then turns it into far right wing media attack. For information on the legality and "endangered" status of "Chilean Sea Bass" see; http://www.state.gov/g/oes/rls/fs/2002/8989.htm. Ha ha - looks like another "Where's my jet" thread. You would think the "patriots" would save their ire for those who are crapping on the Bill of Rights. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Honestly, I don't know what percentage only do an intern year. I would guess that it's VERY low. Being residency trained and board certified is a VERY DESIRABLE thing. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience.... but wouldn't it have been better to actually try to be part of the system and fix it as opposed to just whining about how everything sucks. Yeah, I suppose I should have. After I fixed the American health care system, I could have moved on and fixed the military-industrial complex and pentagon spending then streamlined the bureacracy at the Vatican. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yes. The nursing shortage has nothing to do with a lack of would-be nurses; every nursing school either has a long waiting list or only accepts people with very high GPA's. But I don't think it's necessarily a lack of nursing schools either. It mostly has to do with a lack of people to teach nursing, which has to do with a lack of funding to pay qualified people enough to become nursing educators. I'm not saying that is not a factor, but how many unfilled, open positions exist in the nursing schools in your area? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Oh. The "I can't help it if you're too stupid to see the obvious" school of persuasion. Worse! You said you could see the points but reject them cause you didn't care for my tone. Like some silly school girl stamping her foot, pouting and saying "Well! I didn't like her tone. She's wrong. The sun does not rise in the East." I'm not here to take you by the hand and lead you to the water. Drink. Don't drink, wander off in the distance. It's all up to you. I guess my point about the speaker giving up the high ground with a bunch of emotional, ideological blather applies to responses, as well. Is that why you post here?!?! To earnpoints? ...to impress? ...to gain the high ground?. How ...juvenile. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Oh. The "I can't help it if you're too stupid to see the obvious" school of persuasion. Worse! You said you could see the points but reject them cause you didn't care for my tone. Like some silly school girl stamping her foot, pouting and saying "Well! I didn't like her tone. She's wrong. The sun does not rise in the East." I'm not here to take you by the hand and lead you to the water. Drink. Don't drink, wander off in the distance. It's all up to you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

You know, jenfly, you make a good solid argument and then you piss away the high ground with a bunch of emotional, ideological blather. Bummer. I don't post here to try and convince anyone of anything. I say what I have to say. If acceptance or rejection of an argument is decided on the basis of someone not liking the emotions, the problem lies with them. A solid argument is a solid argument. What kind of person ignores facts because they don't like the emotional tone? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Spending money at the school level is part of the problem right now: there are a ton of people who want to be nurses, and a huge need for nurses. There is a palpable lack of nursing programs in our area, and one of the biggest problems is finding people willing to teach for community college-level pay. Most RN's are working three or four days a week making really good bank (ESPECIALLY the ones with enough experience to be decent teachers). Why would they bail on their sweet work schedule and fat paycheck to get paid peanuts to deal with rooms full of whiney college students who feel their having paid tuition should guarantee them a degree and a passing grade on the NCLEX? Elvisio "just got my RN, see ya!" Rodriguez The availability of instructors is, indeed, a significant problem. Let me ask you this ...do the schools in your area have positions available for instructors? Are they beating the bushes looking for instructors? On a national level, the answer is no. Schools are not seeking additional instructors because they do not have the funding to hire them. That is certainly the case in South Florida. This is true at all levels, Voc Schools (LPN), Community College (ADN) or University (BSN). They all have extensive waiting lists of students. In all but private schools, a student (any academic program) only pays a percentage of the actual sticker price of their education (GASP! more demon socialish!). This varies from roughly 25% to 80% for residents of the states they enroll in so the the dither headed comments about raising tuition to hire more instructors is another 'solution' founded in ignorance. So, we have nursing schools, nationwide, with no positions available for instructors due to lack of funding, many mega-experienced nurses in their 50's (who are finding the physical demands of bedside nursing increasingly challenging) who would be quite eager to teach, and long waiting lists for nursing school, and we have a severe shortage of nurses. Lets sum that up. Severe shortage of nurses, tons of people wanting to enter programs that can't accept them cause they don't have the money to hire additional instructors, a large group of potential instructors who see no teaching positions available. Hmmm, where might a solution lie? The public good, I believe, would be well served with grant money to hire instructors to train nurses (oh, the socialiam of it all ). I realize money is tight, what with making America safe by continuing the quagmire in Iraq and all (a war, I might add, our fervent anti-socialism, free market economy, local solution expert, has consistently supported) .. but it seems like money well spent to me. But hey, WTFDIK? I actually expect govt dollars to be spent recruiting and training an adequate number of fire fighters to keep the town from burning down. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Don't bust us up too much. Some of us actually try to learn and turn out halfway decent. While you ARE able to go into practice after an intern year....no one is really going to take you seriously without a completion of residency these days. But yeah, now taking my new interns on board this month, I definitely wonder if I really was that stupid on my first month. God I hope not. I don't mean to bust you up. Everyone has to learn and you certainly had nothing to do with the conditions you were thrown into. My comments were more addressed to the ER zoo of patients hanging off the ceiling with the addition of herding interns. I attached myself to medical rounds twice a shift for four years (OK, my mom was a big cheese there). The residents used to humble the interns by tossing me questions they couldn't answer and say, "If an EMT knows this, why is it that you do not/" I sincerely agree with the residency comments. It's the ones that leave their internships with the very basics of medical practice and believe they can practice medicine, that burn me. Thing is, you see more and more of them in health "care" today, cause nobody cares about anything except who will work cheap. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Some people aren't happy unless everything is an emotional crisis of biblical proportions. It's tribute to the never give up, never think things through attitude. Be sure and clean the grill before you close up. CYA ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yes, if the waiting list is so long, then candidates will also pay higher tuition too in order to get into the field - this is immediate and local. Of course! Fuckin brilliant! People must be lined up outside your door seeking solutions to major problems. Classy - It WAS your idea I can see you standing outside a burning apartment building, muttering as people scream for help ... 'So what was tying up the natural economic market up to get us to this point? That's the real lesson to learn here. And the lesson learned needs to be applied in other areas so the gov doesn't HAVE to step in later - no matter how much some people love that.' ' I don't understand why we don't have trained firefighters to put out this blaze, afterall, I haven't seen the govt funding the effort in order to stifle firefighters becoming a profession of choice for those that want to be able to make a living at it.' ' ... and all these burned up bodies (bloody nuisance, really), I hope no one expects the government to assume the responsibility to dispose of them. A thriving free market economy should address this need. You socialists need to learn a lesson in reality!' Fries! I said fries, dude! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Room? TV? Call button? Meals? At JMH, the large county facility where I worked, the average time to seen by a doc (average for all cases from boo boos to Level I trauma) was 19 hours. That would be a stretcher in a busy hallway with an ancient portable monitor (that nobody was watching and even if the alarms worked they would be lost in the background noise) stuck under the stretcher. Only admitted patients get food (otherwise, the sizable army of homeless that live on the large hospital complex would fill the ER. Average time to admission is well over 40 hours and dozens of patients are screened, admitted and treated for several days (they were placed in a converted maintenance storage room called Ward H (H for Holding) and discharged ...without ever leaving the ER. I worked 11-7 and would come back two, even three nights later to find the same patients, on the same stretchers, perhaps in a different spot in the hallways, still waiting for disposition. When the newly issued and clueless interns were released, things really came to a stop. It was a real challenge to stop them from killing patients. They look in their handbooks, review the symptoms and order every test known to mankind ...and 8 months later, they are legally free to set up private practice (but that's another issue). ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".