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. There are plenty of examles where God permits the killing of innocent children in the bible. In exodus he kills all first born as revenge for the Jews not being set free. The children of Jericho are also slaughtered. The 42 children who mocked Elisha were tore apart by 2 bears on command by God for teasing him about being bald. I think if children at an early age were taught some of these bible verses they might grow up with a different take on God. Then again I think children are taught to fear God and and his wrath. The idea that you can pick and choose the Psalms that Got agrees with is just a bit silly. There are also thousands of verses teaching love, understanding, and hope. The idea that you can choose one Psalm, out of context, and discredit the religion is more than a bit silly. So the bible doesn't really express the will of "god" at all. Just the bits that believers cherry pick. Even the most avid non-believer could tell the difference between a story being told by a person of their own wishes and the direct will of God. Every story in the Bible is not the will of God or his instruction. This Psalm is an example. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

People don't listen to the 1,000 page owner's manual right now. You think going on CNN would really change anything? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Like the Big Bang theory? Like human evolution from single celled organisms? Even the seemingly concrete idea of gravity could change with string theory. There is no pure, hard evidence that God exists or that creation is the answer. There is also no hard evidence the Earth just appeared from a big bang and we came from swamp matter. I personally doubt there will ever be hard evidence of God. Hence, faith. Like what? I understand why I believe my God is The God. I also understand why there would be non-believers of any religion. That's the beauty of free will. I know this quote isn't your own. Neither is the copy and paste in your OP. How much reading and studying have you actually done on your own regarding religion and Christianity specifically? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I give up. How many? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

. There are plenty of examles where God permits the killing of innocent children in the bible. In exodus he kills all first born as revenge for the Jews not being set free. The children of Jericho are also slaughtered. The 42 children who mocked Elisha were tore apart by 2 bears on command by God for teasing him about being bald. I think if children at an early age were taught some of these bible verses they might grow up with a different take on God. Then again I think children are taught to fear God and and his wrath. The idea that you can pick and choose the Psalms that Got agrees with is just a bit silly. There are also thousands of verses teaching love, understanding, and hope. The idea that you can choose one Psalm, out of context, and discredit the religion is more than a bit silly. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Critics often bring up this verse as an attack on the validity of the Bible. But, does the Bible teach that it is okay to kill children? The answer, of course, is no it doesn't. But we must ask what the Psalmist was saying and what he was saying it. The context of Psalm 137 is the Babylonian captivity. The Psalmist speaks of the captors tormenting the people of God (vv. 1-3), a promise to remember Jerusalem (vv. 5-6), and a curse against the captors (vv. 7-9). The Psalmist is in exile and had probably witnessed the atrocities committed against his people, babies included. In the revenge-style that was so common at the time, he wishes the same upon his enemy as a description of their utter destruction. Nowhere does it say that God approves of the Psalmist’s request or that he fulfilled it. Just because it is recorded that the Psalmist wrote the imprecation, doesn’t mean it was approved by God. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Why do all threads seem to spin out of control and go down hill when you start posting? This thread was a shot a the right from the very beginning but it went from a healthcare discussion to you posting about Nazis and the poor hating RNC. I feel like it's become common for people to see these wild tangents and stop reading the thread all together. Is it really that difficult to have a normal discussion and stay on point? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Jun 2007... about the time the Keiki Care program was signed into law. The universal child healthcare program that went bankrupt and was cancelled 7 months into its implementation... Very convincing argument that we should follow liberal states. California and Hawaii... any other grand examples? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Well that was useless. Thanks for the thread. It amazes me the amount of time people will spend bashing religion. Some spend more time and effort bashing religion then its followers do preaching it. The irony is that some people's obcession over hating religion creates a sort of religion of their own. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

It was 3 years into the war in Afghanistan. Ok. His approval rating was well over 50% and he won the absolute majority. If he were running in 2008, with an open ended war, do you think he would've been re-elected? Do you think that the open ended war helped his approval or hurt it? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You're talking in circles. First, a comment about open ended wars getting people re-elected. "I like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy." I questioned that statement and you said it worked for GWB. Then you said something about the beauty of two terms and you're out. "That's the beauty of the Presidency; two terms, you're out and it's the next guy's problem. Which is what I said in my first response. " That's not what you said in your first response. Your first response was about war getting people re-elected. This response was about the beauty of two terms. Why don't you figure out what you want to argue before preaching about what most people can follow. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Guess not. Surprising... -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Pffft. What could possibly happen? Oh I don't know.... a couple of failed nation buiilding exercises..... a ruined economy... the rich getting very much richer as well as a bunch of friends of the administration making LOTS of war profits isn't that what is happening now? Obama paying his supporters with stimulus money. Only in the minds of the 20 percenter boot lickers out there who still worship the turds that get squished by those shitkickers that George wears back on the ranch in Crawford -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

It must be very exciting for you to finally have someone respectable on your side. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

As long as it's done by July 2011. No surprise at all because he has no spine. Troop surge for the right, timeline for the left. Ignore the Generals on the ground. Good plan. Oh? Who? Whoever he can pander to. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

And the story about John Stewart being more of a jounalist than ABC, NBC, or CBS. Surprise, surprise... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Just wondering if anyone has changed their mind on Iran following the rules. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5AQ1BZ20091127 VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog voted Friday to rebuke Iran for building a uranium enrichment plant in secret but Tehran rejected the move as "intimidation" which would poison its negotiations with world powers. The resolution was the first by the 35-nation board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) against Iran in almost four years, and a sign of spreading alarm over Tehran's failure to dispel fears it has clandestine plans to build nuclear bombs. It passed by a 25-3 margin with six abstentions, smoothed by rare backing from Russia and China, which have blocked global attempts to isolate Iran, a trade partner for both, in the past. But it was far from clear whether the West could now coax Moscow and Beijing to join in biting sanctions against Iran, something they have long prevented at the U.N. Security Council. Russia's Foreign Ministry said Iran should "react with full seriousness to the signal contained in the resolution ... and to ensure full cooperation with the agency." Moscow and Beijing's support is seen as vital to the success of external pressure on Iran to rein in its nuclear activity and open it up to unfettered IAEA inspections and investigations. The vote reflected exasperation with Iran's retreat from an IAEA-brokered draft deal to provide it with fuel for a medical nuclear reactor if it agreed to part with its enriched uranium, which could be turned into bomb material if further refined. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. It was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. How do you think it would've gone for him in 2008? You think the open ended war would've been a good thing? Where did you say that, exactly? You said open ended wars get Presidents re-elected. You didn't say anything about two terms and then you're out. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. It was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. How do you think it would've gone for him in 2008? You think the open ended war would've been a good thing? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

She is inconsequential, at the same time, your best shot .] How do you figure? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Open ended wars get people re-elected? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Multiple times. That's more of a position on the rich, though. His position on the poor was to do something useful so that one day they too could give to the poor. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Nope. Still laughing at you. Your paranoid, hypocritical, misdirected anger cannot possibly be taken seriously. The fact you've gotten this upset over the Death Star is icing on the cake. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If you think getting rid of religion would make people play nice then you're very sorely mistaken. Many wars have been fought (and many millions killed) that had nothing to do with religion. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Only 3-5 months worth of work each year. http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/ From April to damn near June in one year. Another record to be proud of. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.