jgoose71

Yep, explains how Obama got elected. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

...maybe just a bit more, to help it sink in (since for some, it obviously has not): From the federal judge's written opinion: "The court has not reached this conclusion lightly. It is acutely aware of the perilous nature of the world we live in. But the constitution is the rock upon which our nation rests. We must follow it not only when it is convenient, but when fear and danger beckon in a different direction." Not arguing that. As I have said before, bombing an embassy is an act of war and he was not turned over to regular law enforcement personnel. The constitution still applies in military tribunals. I fail to see the problem. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

I was talking about KSM. But yes, most of the testimony was thrown out in this case, and there is now the possibility that he will be released in 10 years on good behavior, provided that his current 1 charge that he was convicted of doesn't get over turned in appeals. It's like being pronounced guilty, but being sentenced to time served. Please send your moral outrage to the next group of people that he kills. And what is going to happen to KSM? He provided a lot of evidence while tied to a water board. Do you think he should go free because of it? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Are you sure about that? Most of the testimony against him may be thrown out. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Are you seriously saying: "Spain is to Europe as Mexico is to North America?" I think some Spaniards might be highly upset with you right now. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

The only thing I can think of is when bombed the US Embassy, he may have stepped across the US boundry to do it. If so, that would hve legally put him on US soil. It also may be the government's justification for holding the trials in civilian court. You are correct in that US embassies are sovereign US territories. To attack one is an act of war. This is another reason why he should be tried by a military tribunal. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

are americans "worth" more than others ? No, but in an American court system we can try them for killing Americans. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Oh really? So what about everyone else arrested outside the US and extradited back? Not terrorists, but normal criminals who have fled the country and been arrested elsewhere? Normal criminals get turned over to the proper authorities. He was turned over to the CIA. Nice try though. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Easy, the U.N. doesn't have a vetting process for any of it's members. Sri Lanka put him up and the rest of the world excepted him. Now this man could lead a U.N. coalition into another country. You don't have a problem with that? The examples you gave of Canadian soldiers are of them acting on there own accord. What happens when they are ordered to commit those acts? Do you charge them for refusing to follow orders or do you charge them for war crimes? The diffrence between you and me is that I would never put any soldier in a position where he has to choose his charge. The U.N. has a long history of being a corrupt organization with no real power. Counties all over have ignored there sanctions. As a place for countries to come together in the court of public opinion, it is still useful. Beyond that, it has long outlived it's purpose. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

You have a lot of your own answers right in your own post. Yes a military tribunal is an actual court that must fall in the constraints of the constitution. A man that goes through a military tribunal gets all the due process of someone tried in a civilian court. The man being tried is not a "civilian" though. He has taken up arms against the U.S. Even worse, he is not uniformed, backed by an official country, and targets civilians. He should be charged with serious war crimes under the Geneva convention to boot. He was not captured by U.S. law enforcement personnel. For a man to be properly convicted in a U.S. court, he really needs to be caught by U.S. law enforcement. This way he is getting all the pre-requisites required by the U.S. court system. Miranda rights, limited incarceration, speedy trial, etc... This man was caught by the Pakistani Police and turned over to the CIA through the state department. None of these people probably Mirandized him. It's not what they do. A military tribunal is still a trial. He still gets a jury, a judge, a lawyer, and due process. The only difference is it's more conducive to how he was captured. I believe in this case, it would be more just and he would actually be held accountable for his crimes. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Great, now what is going to happen to KSM? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

You are clearly confused. He wasn't tried by a military tribunal. Exactly, that is my point. He should have. Then maybe he would have convicted of more than just one charge. Edited to add: I had fat finger syndrome on the key board. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

While you are talking to them, be sure to mention how there loved ones are now working for mass murdering war criminals. edited to add: So if the Canadian solders follow his orders and murder more innocent civilians, can they get diplomatic immunity too? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

From some one who didnt even know what the trial was about. I'll pass. I suppose the bigger picture is lost. It's not about his trial. It's done. What are future trials going to look like for some of the more dangerous combatants caught on the battle field? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

From some one who didnt even know what the trial was about. I'll pass. Let me apply the liberal translator: "A direct question? Sorry i can't answer that. I only reply to spelling, punctuation, and semantics." "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Which war was the US fighting in East Africa in 98? Just because Clinton was to much of a pussy to do anything about it doesn't mean that they weren't at war with us. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

What do you propose we do, turtle? Should we change our legal system? Would it be better if we could skip the whole middle part of the process and just chuck people into prison as soon as they are charged with an offense? Do you find that whole "burden of proof" thing a bit liberal? He shouldn't have been tried in the military tribunals, like originally planned, and convicted there. KSM had already admitted to the tribunal that he was happy he killed all those Americans, and then Obama stopped the trial. How much of that is going to get thrown out? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

He was arrested by Pakistani police. Your right, that makes it all better. Lets give him a big fat wad of cash and let him go free. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Maybe the jury of 12 US citizens know something that you don't. Or maybe I know something that they don't, like all the information that was thrown out by the judge. Or did you miss that part? All he was convicted of was conspiracy to commit terrorist acts. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

They were caught on the battle field. Things go on on a battle field that most people usually don't have to deal with. Can you show me the constitutionally approved way to bash someones head in with the butt of a rifle? Or how about the politically correct way to bayonet someone to death? They were not caught in the U.S. with by law enforcement personnel. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

A shining example of terrorists being tried in civilian courts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111705663.html?sid=ST2010111706077 With a 20 year sentence he could be eligible for parole in 10 for good behavior. Not bad for killing 224 people, including 12 Americans. So how much testimony will be thrown out when they put Khalid Sheik Mohammed on trial? "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Obama will be president during Dec 21, 2012. Can I have a tin hat now also?

I beg to differ. A non- union emlpoyee knows that if he doesn't perform, he can get fired. A union employee knows that to get fired, his boss needs to get through a layer of money hungry lawyers. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

Well, yes, there kinda is a difference. TSA is government employed union workers. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything

I agree. The only difference is your going to get your body cavity search from a contractor instead of a government agent. "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything