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Clay, I wasn't talking about taking military action and having it backfire, although Justin wins the point on that one. You stated: This sounds like you want to intimidate nations and people until they dare not go against us, lest we smite them. Sorry, man, people don't work that way. Ask the Romans, Great Britain, Isreal, etc.... We have to go after the criminals that did this, that's a short-term resolution. Longer term, if we really want to contain terrorism, we need to remove the incentive to terrorize, and the means to do it. Attempting to create fear in the masses is what creates people like bin Landen.

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Oh, that's well supported by history! LOL!

Sis, wish him well for us.

(Bush speech - page 2) "Oh, and by the way, I did do coke in college. It was fucking awesome! I went through eight-balls like they were breath mints. Man, I was SO FUCKING HIGH ALL THE TIME!"

Is that the Russian spelling? Seriously, tho. Paranoia is what we don't need right now. These restrictions you site could happen, if you lay back and take it. These along with less-reasonable search and siezure, more relaxed rules on wiretapping, the ability for the police to more easily inspect your bank accounts, the list goes on. Never mind the increased costs and delays in air travel that are not going to materially reduce the risk of terrorism. Check out the EFF and ACLU pages.

He seems to be making some rather large leaps of logic, and some assumptions about other peoples' states of mind. I barely know what I think, never mind what other people are thinking. Any unified field theory of terrorism must also explain McVeigh, which I'm not sure this one does. Or maybe I just can't handle hearing a sensible point of view from the National Review.

Hey, I just checked out the USPA Web site and they are going to be testifying to Congress along with other VFR GA interests. Write your rep. Also, they say that the FAA is pushing to open VFR, so maybe sending them email is preaching to the choir! Also, there is a Pilot Town Meeting that the AOPA is having in Columbus, OH tomorrow night. Might be a public opportunity to show support for Freedom in the Skies. (Sorry, I've been watching too much CNN). Carl

Nice one, skyhawk. Fuk the spelin. We are about to get into something no generation has ever faced. We've been putting it off, I think, and now we've paid a terrible price. Every world conflict seems to be different. WWII had very clear lines of right and wrong, and clear use of military force. Up until the nuke, anyway. Viet Nam introduced television to war, which introduced the reality of war to the masses. That, on top of a weak moral imperitive and a difficult tactical situation, well... you know the result. By the Gulf War, we were back to clear right and wrong, and the military had learned to use the media to its advantage. We had also knew how to fight that kind of war. That was an easy one (unless you were there - war is hell, they tell me). This next one can go either way, I would guess. Hopefully, we have learned from Viet Nam (and our own Revolutionary War) how/if to fight insurgents in difficult terrain with minimal civilian casualties, but I doubt it. Not that we are ignorant, but that it is too hard a problem. The moral imperitive sure seems clear now, but is already starting to get muddied up. This is not a whole nation in a single region that can be carpet-bombed. This enemy is more like the drug industry. It will be hard to find the right people and bring them to justice. Our experience as police will better serve us than our experience as soldiers, although it will take an interesting combination of both to do this one right, along with some serious diplomatic strength, to open doors, prevent "misunderstandings" and collect intelligence. God help us.

Hey, nice one! Congrats on winning your FIRST comp, And welcome to the forums! Carl

Right on, Eric. Paul, you paint the perfect logical chain of argument that I am afraid is going on right now about a lot of things that we currently take for granted. Skydiving is the least of them. Life is full of risks, and ultimately fatal. Is it worth it to create an illusion of "safety", and lose freedoms? Yes, skydiving, and even VFR flight may be considered trivialities, but these things add up. Apply the arguments that we often have here to "people shouldn't skydive, it's dangerous" to "freedoms should be taken away in the name of safety". Grrrrrrrrr.....

Thanks for sharing this, Mike.

I'd be interested to hear how the threat of terrorism impacts skydiving/GA in the Middle East, especially Isreal. Omri, drosenberg? They have been showing stories this last week about how life in Isreal is effected by the threat of terrorism. Of course, the panicky reporter immediately makes the leap of (il)logic that this is how the US will soon be: random searches by police, metal detectors, manditory ID cards, etc. This would truly suck. Skydiving restrictions would be the least of our problems.

Oh, Gawd. Wait, let me reset my calendar to 1972. Clay, there is no doubt that what American soldiers are asked to do is difficult. Going back 225 years, they have suffered through brutal conditions and death so that we can complain about having too many remote controls. But just because Speedy and others want to make sure that we act with peace as the ultimate goal, does not make us weak, ignorant or drug abusers. Those whose stay and study biology, physics, chemistry also serve.

Actually, my first thought when I heard that people were leaping from the building holding hands was, "I wonder if they are skydivers?". Not to be disrespectful, but if it were me, and I knew that inside was certain death, I would take my last few minutes to feel the air one last time, and maybe turn a few points with a friend. The thought of being in one of those buildings is a terrifying one. Fantasizing that we could BASE out of it, or even just get one last freefall in, is at least somewhat comforting.

Whoa, someone needs to cut back the dosage on his testosterone injections.

Well, seeing as I used to work for APC, I know a thing or two about power that I never thought I would. Of course, I'm a software guy, not hardware, and I missed a lot of what those folks said. The faster system speed, that's a good one! There are a number of reasons this could be happening, including a slow clock or various low-power modes that the CPU or graphics system use. If you want to see what the power in your house is doing, run the software that came with the UPS. It should give you some visibility, including voltages, frequency, spikes/sags, etc. Note that only an "true online" UPS will generate its own output frequency, unless the power goes out altogether, but generally that's OK. Normal power in the US runs at 60Hz (50 in Europe). This happens right at the generation point, and there aren't really any conditions that would make this vary in transmission. If it is off, my guess is that you would have a ton of other problems with appliances, etc. Probably you have fluctuating voltages and transients, causing mini-resets of the system that are slowing it down. The software should tell the story. BTW, what kind of UPSs did you get?

Wherever and whenever I can.

Same circus, different tent.

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No, it's great stuff for keeping varmits away from the garden. We use dried fox blood to keep the deer from eating the flowers. Mostly works. My folks just have us bring Rupert over to "treat" the yard every once in awhile.

Is this how we will be treated if we decide to leave?

Oh, I've missed some great stuff here. Allow me to rephrase from another perspective: "...I still don't believe you will ever change their minds until their race/religion's survival is in question. They believe that they have Jesus on their side. They also believe that ultimately they personally haven't killed anyone but Jesus has guided their hands. It's very foreign thinking to most Muslims. I dont expect people to understand. I'm not willing to let many many more innocent ISLAMIC civilians die while waging a propaganda war. I still stick with "Kill em all, Let Allah sort em out" Coexistance on this planet is impossible." Sounds like it could have come from a bin Laden fatwah, no? Clay, you are clearly an extremist, which is your right as an American, but you should know that makes you on the same wavelength as them, only using different labels. America is a greater culture than this, don't you think? The Founding Fathers created the next-generation society that is based on individual freedom, free markets and TOLERANCE. We have this revolutionary idea that people can and should think for themselves, even if you don't agree with them. We also have rule of law and a "big stick". From an eariler post: There is another option, which is to allow religious freedom, judge individuals based on their actions, not their beliefs, punishing them for what they do, not what they think. I think the Constitution covers this pretty well, IIRC. Otherwise, you are only substituting one religion for another. You need to solve the McVeigh problem as well as the bin Laden one. Someone else already covered this, I think, but when the OKC boming occurred, why wasn't there a call to kill all the white, protestant military veterans?

Hey, guys! It was great meeting you, too. That was the best (ie only non-truck-stop) lunch we had the whole trip! Thanks for taking time out of your day to hang. Here's a picture of us outside the Daily Grind.

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