MikeMcLean

The internet is a very different creature from television. The amount of advertising content that would have to be placed on a topical website like dropzone.com just to break even would probably be leathal to most lab animals. Not the issue, not even an issue. The profitability (or loss) that a site makes isn't relavant to the point that solicitation of donations (or membership fees) and selling advertising space should be orthogonal. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Funny, I wasn't complaining either. I posted an opinion, you posted a one-line response that you presented as "fact". Note that nowhere did I complain, not about talk-back being shut down, not about the site, not about anything -- ok, maybe my comment about Crazy Ivan's incessant fascination with being a repost cop could count as a complaint -- but other than that, no. Edited to add "my comment" It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Your 1.5 posts per day compared to my 0.2 posts per day would indicate that your ass is more firmly in your desk chair than mine. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Show me one post of mine, in the topical forums, that is off-topic. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

One problem -- most of the habitual troublemakers in TB aren't skydivers. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Belive what you want, but here you're a guest. You know, I completely get that this is the party line, and that one must groupthink this in order to stay in the good graces of the staff. Keep this in mind, however, if someone with a grievance had the time, money, and desire s/he could hire a lawyer, file a lawsuit against dz.com with a customer-business type claim and stand a chance of winning. This would be especially true if that person had either "paid" for access to talk-back (as some are proposing) or had made a "donation to help with bandwidth costs." The court system would have a really, really bad reaction to "this ain't no damn democracy" and "you are a guest in HH's house," and all the other groupthink lines that are thrown around. The case might loose on it's merits, but it would be heard -- there wouldn't be a quick dismissal due to there being no customer/business relationship. Just something to think about -- there are people, even in our skydiving community, with the time, desire, and money to make this point in this manner. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

It's my belief that a site can either (a) solict donations or (b) sell advertising, but not both. The mere fact that an ad is present and takes up a small little bit of my bandwidth and (more importantly) a small little bit of my attention is a payment from me towards the site. You don't freely make "donations" towards on-the-air broadcast TV do you? No, because you have paid for that TV via the advertising on it.* Also, note, that in either (a) or (b) case I am a customer, not a guest. * I specifically said on-the-air to not confuse the issue with cable TV fees (which are a delivery fee, not a content fee when talking about the traditional TV channels). It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

You mean crap like tracking down every single repost and post whoring by posting a repost notice? Doing this so regularly that it even becomes named. I wonder how many total posts are "Crazy Ivans" and therefore how much bandwidth, database hits, etc. And don't give me crap about trying to "help" by pointing them out. By the time you post your "repost" notice it is too late to prevent the repost. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

You get what you pay for -- Cable Modem blows DSL out of the water for, typically, only a little more. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Damn -- I was really hoping for a cross between the People in the pub want porn links thread and a butt-pirate reference It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

One can at least hope that they didn't realize there was a spring, were leaning carefully over the reserve, and got pilot chute smacked in the face. I know, small revenges ..... doesn't help the rig but at least it is a funny mental image. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Member of DZ.com or not, I believe the personal attack on this person is neither appropriate nor allowed. And actual threats are most certainly not cool. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

The Kent State Skydive club is quite a riot It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Not Robin Williams It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Ok, for now.

You would loose that bet, read the rest of this thread. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Make sure you show him all the medical studies that show that Atkins diet is not unhealthy, too. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Make sure you read this It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Want some help?

While there may be many websites that dispute Atkins, there are more medical journals and scientific studies that proclaim low-carb diets. Source: JEFF S. VOLEK, PhD, RD* Assistant Professor, University of Connecticut; Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs ERIC C. WESTMAN, MD, MHS* Associate Professor, Division of General Medicine, Department of Medicine, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC Very-low-carbohydrate weight-loss diets revisited ABSTRACT Much scientific and anecdotal data demonstrate favorable metabolic responses to very-low-carbohydrate diets.We believe that very-low-carbohydrate diets merit further study for weight loss, and that criticisms of these diets lack scientific evidence. KEY POINTS Most studies have found that people lose more weight on very-low-carbohydrate diets than on standard weight-loss diets. Mechanisms of weight loss on these diets may go beyond water loss and include suppression of appetite, increasing the metabolic rate, decreasing metabolic efficiency, and shunting of nutrients away from fat storage. Weight loss is usually associated with small to moderate reductions in lean tissue, but low-energy, very-lowcarbohydrate diets may have a protein-sparing effect compared with low-fat diets. These diets may also have favorable effects on specific risk factors for cardiovascular disease (eg, fasting and postprandial triglyceride levels, high-density lipoprotein levels, and low-density lipoprotein particle size). It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Reference: Layman, D.K., Boileau, R.A., Erickson, D.J., et al., "A Reduced Ratio of Dietary Carbohydrate to Protein Improves Body Composition and Blood Lipid Profiles During Weight Loss in Adult Women," The Journal of Nutrition, 133(2), 2003, pages 411-417. Summary: Claims about the merits or risks of carbohydrate (CHO) vs. protein for weight loss diets are extensive, yet the ideal ratio of dietary carbohydrate to protein for adult health and weight management remains unknown. This study examined the efficacy of two weight loss diets with modified CHO/protein ratios to change body composition and blood lipids in adult women. Women (n = 24; 45 to 56 y old) with body mass indices >26 kg/m(2) were assigned to either a CHO Group consuming a diet with a CHO/protein ratio of 3.5 (68 g protein/d) or a Protein Group with a ratio of 1.4 (125 g protein/d). Diets were isoenergetic, providing 7100 kJ/d, and similar amounts of fat ( approximately 50 g/d). After consuming the diets for 10 wk, the CHO Group lost 6.96 +/- 1.36 kg body weight and the Protein Group lost 7.53 +/- 1.44 kg. Weight loss in the Protein Group was partitioned to a significantly higher loss of fat/lean (6.3 +/- 1.2 g/g) compared with the CHO Group (3.8 +/- 0.9). Both groups had significant reductions in serum cholesterol ( approximately 10%), whereas the Protein Group also had significant reductions in triacylglycerols (TAG) (21%) and the ratio of TAG/HDL cholesterol (23%). Women in the CHO Group had higher insulin responses to meals and postprandial hypoglycemia, whereas women in the Protein Group reported greater satiety. This study demonstrates that increasing the proportion of protein to carbohydrate in the diet of adult women has positive effects on body composition, blood lipids, glucose homeostasis and satiety during weight loss It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Weight Loss With High and Low Carbohydrate 1200 Kcal Diets in Free Living Women Reference: Lean, M.E.J., Han, T.S., Prvan, T., et al., "Weight Loss With High and Low Carbohydrate 1200 Kcal Diets in Free Living Women," European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 51(4), 1997, pages 243-248. Summary: This study examined the impact of high- and low-carbohydrate diets on weight loss and cardiovascular risk factors over six months. One hundred and ten women were put on either a high-carbohydrate (58%) or low-carbohydrate (35%) diet. Subjects were free from active disease but above normal body mass index. Both diets consisted of 1,200 calories per day. At the end of the study, researchers looked for changes in body weight, body mass index, body fat, cholesterol levels and blood pressure. Members of the high-carbohydrate group lost an average of 12 pounds, while those in the low-carbohydrate group lost an average of 15 pounds. Body composition measurements of the 46 post-menopausal women in this study revealed that those on the low-carbohydrate diet experienced significantly greater body fat loss at three and six months than those on the higher-carbohydrate diet. There were no significant changes in blood pressure between the two groups. Researchers noted significant reductions in total cholesterol, LDL ("bad") cholesterol, and HDL ("good") cholesterol on the high-carbohydrate diet, but not on the low carbohydrate diet. Triglyceride levels fell significantly in only the low-carbohydrate diet. It should be noted that the researchers considered the high-carbohydrate diet more beneficial than the low-carbohydrate diet due to its cholesterol-lowering effect. However, they failed to consider the detrimental effect this diet had on HDL ("good") cholesterol reduction. Medical professionals consider the ratio between total cholesterol and HDL cholesterol a more important predictor of disease risk than the value of total cholesterol. The low-carbohydrate group had a slight increase in HDL levels, which would be a more favorable adaptation. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Don't know about the PETA connection, but this story talks about the PCRM a fiercely anti-meat, pro-vegetarian brains trust that has opposed the Atkins diet for years It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Reference: Skov, A.R., Toubro, S., Ronn, B., et al., "Randomized Trial on Protein vs Carbohydrate in ad libitum Fat Reduced Diet for the Treatment of Obesity," International Journal of Obesity, 23, 1999, pages 528-536. Summary: The purpose of this study was to analyze the effect of increasing protein versus increasing carbohydrate on weight loss in obese individuals. Sixty-five overweight and obese subjects were assigned to either a high-carbohydrate diet (58% carbohydrate, 30% fat, 12% protein) or a high-protein diet (45% carbohydrate, 30% fat, 25% protein) for a period of six months, with most of the measurements taken after three months. Weight loss after three months was greater in the high-protein group than the high-carbohydrate group (16.5 pounds versus 11 pounds). Individuals on the high-protein diet also consumed less than those on the high-carbohydrate diet. More subjects lost more than 11 pounds in the high-protein group than in the high-carbohydrate group. In addition, a greater amount of body fat was lost by individuals in the high-protein group versus individuals in the high-carbohydrate group (12.8 pounds compared to 8.4 pounds). There were no differences in cholesterol levels between diet groups. However, the high-carbohydrate group experienced an increase in triglycerides in contrast to the decrease experienced by individuals in the high-protein group. Researchers concluded that the replacement of some dietary carbohydrate by protein improves mean weight loss and increases the proportion of subjects achieving a clinically relevant weight loss. It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

Reference: Westman, E.C., Yancy, W.S., Edman, J.S., et al., "Effect of 6-Month Adherence to a Very Low Carbohydrate Diet Program," American Journal of Medicine, 113(1), 2002, pages 30-36. Summary: The following information is available at Pub Med and was not written by Atkins professionals. To determine the effect of a 6-month very low carbohydrate diet program on body weight and other metabolic parameters.Fifty-one overweight or obese healthy volunteers who wanted to lose weight were placed on a very low carbohydrate diet (