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The results I could find using this search "how many people are killed by cops each year" yields about 400-500 "justifiable homicides". Are you ok with using that number while discussing the number of people killed by police per year? Keep in mind this is the number of justifiable deaths. I will also keep in mind that this data is not mandatory, and will be willing to double the number if it makes you feel comfortable to 1000 people justifiably killed per year. This leaves us with a problem in finding the number of unjustifiable killings. This study found that 95% of the 2011 police shootings were ruled justifiable. http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/01/police-involved-shootings-2011-annual.html Again if we are going to debate please provide some information back, not one liners. Thanks

No shit..... that does seem to be happening a lot nowadays. Please provide the number of people shot by police per year. If you can please provide if the officer was justified or not in his shooting. You cant spout off sentences like that and not provide the numbers to be discussed. I know that this information is not required to be tracked, but find me a study done by someone credible, hell give me a good guess. You cant come in to a discussion and say things like that, it reminds me of that other guys replies, just one liners to troll the other members.

No I'm trying to get him to have a discussion on at what point he thinks it's ok to take lethal force in this Brown situation. Is it one hit to the face, then a verbal command to a person the cop thinks is trying to kill him? Do you allow yourself to get thrown down and mounted from top and are almost about to pass out? At what point in your mind do you think you would pull the trigger? You can't say that's not a fair question, we don't have all the variables, and it's not happening real time. I am not saying this is how it happened, but imagine if it did. Put yourself in the cops shoes. We have a lot of information to put together this argument. A 6'4 300 lb guy has already punched you in the face multiple times, has wrestled you for your gun, and in the process the gun went off in the car. Now you are out of the car, the person is 20 feet from you at a dead run, and not responding to your loud verbal commands to stop and lay on the ground. What would you do? He's avoiding the answer because he knows that if his answer to what is justified matches what happened to that cop on this case(it very we'll may have) he will be shown as spending weeks arguing with these people like a fool.(if he is wrong) I have found that he does this to all questions in this thread, it's a tactic used by people that are on forums just to get people riled up, and never provides useful information.

If on a regular basis cops were executing people that were completely innocent that did not pose a threat warranting being killed I am sure it would have been handled by the proper authorities. I am sure there are a few accidental killings, and a few unstable cops that did do that, and I would expect the proper course of action to be taken. To answer your question if my daughter was accidentally, or killed illegally I would be very heartbroken, and expect the officer to be fired in the first instance, and life in prison for the other. I would also sue the department for all they are worth in both. If my daughter was found to be robbing a store on video, punching a cop and attempting to take his gun, and had to be killed, I would once again be heartbroken wonder where I went wrong as a parent, and make sure everything was done that could be done before she was killed. If that was found to be true, then she got what was coming. You can't be mad for someone defending themselves as long as it's done by the proper procedures.

First off I understood the saying from the get go, used by you to side step from answering a question point blank. I still don't understand how you get away with that condescending tone to the people you disagree with here it's childish. Being a police officer yourself I am going to ask again. How many punches to the face would you have taken on duty back in your day before you chose to shoot someone?

That would be an interesting development.

It wasn't about emotion points it's about people stopping and thinking. You don't have to be armed to be shot by a police officer.

Yea I've also heard that over used saying. Care to respond to the questions. Being a liberal who is critical of the response to the shooting and riots, I am interests in hearing what you would have done in both situations please. No judgements, just want to hear what others would have done.

I would be happy with the answers being pertained to the shooting, and the riots. We have alot of information now to answer those questions with.

What I'm getting at is what level of escalation kallend, that other guy and amazon are comfortable with, and at what time that is acceptable. I expect that will never be revealed.

Ok so you are ok with shooting when it is called for correct?

I'm asking, what if being nice, and not having weapons does not work? What if the criminal types continue to pose a threat, or ramp up their activities knowing the cops will not do anything but ask nicely?

I agree, but what if that does not work?

0, and if that is all true he should be dealt with, but the fact remains, you can't do nothing in the US, and you can't do that. Maybe we have to let a couple hundred cops to get murdered on the job to reaffirm their need for countermeasures to people out there to hurt them. Everyone complains of how they look, the rifles they carry, the vehicles they drive. Did you ever think that the appearance that presents might be more effective than the actual use of those weapons? Consider this your faced with a riot, of 200 people, looters, people shooting each other in the crowd, fires, cars being overturned. Which option would be safer. A. 5 unarmed Barney fife guys saying come on guys please stop that. B. 10 cops with guns that just go ape shit and shoot, beat, and harass. C. 50 in swat gear that do not fire a shot but put out the presence of don't fuck with us and go home or be peaceful while protesting legally. I understand you will say right now well we have option c doing option b, and we want option a. And that's fine if it turns out to be true, but I would rather have option c that never has to fire a shot than the others

How many punches to the face are you willing to let someone give you before you defend yourself? 1? Multiple till you are almost unconscious?

Well what are you saying then? You said take a lesson from them, the article states that almost all cops do not carry guns there? Therefore the lesson I see you saying is don't carry guns.

Ok so you are saying that if cops did not have guns that criminals will put down their guns also? Obviously if you don't arm cops the number of people shot will go down.

Ok so we are not gonna go all cowboy, now please answer the questions.

You seem to be very critical of police and their actions. I have a few questions for you. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were a cop how many punches to the face would you let someone give you before you shot them? If they were reaching for your gun how long would you give them before you shot them? If they were twice your size and running full speed at you how close would you let them get to you before you did anything to defend yourself? How many cops do you think should have handled the riots? 0, 10, 100? How many buildings would you let get vandalized before you took action? How many rocks, Molotov cocktails, and other objects would you allow them to throw before you did anything? How many shots from a gun would you let the riots shot before you did anything? How many rioters would you let shoot each other before you did anything? Once you took that action, how long would you wait before you upped the police action? Would you add another 1, 10, 100 cops?

Do you honestly think he was being serious, and not just calling you out? How many times has some here mentioned doing something illegal like drugs, dwi, payroll evasion, etc and not get banned....

I know him personally he jumps at my home dz and work with him at the fire station. It's funny you mention him not replying knowing you got him banned. Dont expect a reply......

I think you missed the point. He clearly wasn't serious, just making a point that you spout out statements that you clearly have no way to back up, and know that no one will be able to prove.

How can an inanimate object cause a crime to be committed? That would be the same as saying the ground caused you to hook turn and break your femur.

Where was his PA? Was it removed? Everything he stated that i can still see here is true, and is joked about here by dozens of people.

Ahh. I read it as the shooter pulled over, woman with crowbar parked behind her and approached her drivers window and then the woman in first car shot.