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note to self: DON'T FORGET THE FREAKING PUDDING NEXT TIME!!! Thanks, Clay. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Wow, good idea! I'd like to see the same thing for being intoxicated while driving! Oh wait, that's right, we do have that and it works so well (don't mind my bitterness, I have a permanent injury from getting hit by a drunk) I feel for you. It hurts me just helping my aunt in and out of the car every time she visits. (drunkard in a jeep wishboned the toyota she was a passenger in fifteen or twenty years ago) Short of installing breathalizers on all cars, I don't know how to stop it. Outlawing parking lots for bars might help. However, back here on Earth, I have no good options. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Am I hearing another "blood running in the streets" prediction? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Seems like a good idea. Adding firearms to a scene where alchohol is served is a poor idea. In most bars that I have been in, about 10% of the patrons show poor judgement and are not people that I would want to see armed. Why stop people from carrying if they are not going to drink? I've gone to concerts and not consumed alcohol. I've never gone into a bar to enjoy a show without drinking, but I would if I wanted to carry into the bar. Wouldn't it be simpler to prohibt carrying while drunk? Afterall, you don't have to go to a bar to be drunk. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

How many Germans would really be concerned with which candidate Americans think is best in a German election? RIght, just about zero. Is that a problem? If not, why would it be a problem if Americans don't really worry about what another country's citizens think of US candidates in US elections? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The tyranny of the many, they called it, I believe. Pure democracy is a scary thing. That's why we have a Republic based on Representative Democracy. I've not heard of or read about a superior system, existant or otherwise. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I agree no one can say what would have happened. But why should a person be denied the ability to protect himself? I just want one of the people who said he would have/could have shot someone to admit that the disarmed CCW holder could have made a different for the other victims. People should take notice that lunatic's multiple victims shootings always happen in places where guns are not allowed. There is a reason I refer to these places as victim disarmament zones. The only people disarmed are the potential victims. Pyschos don't really care about that whole "no guns allowed" sign anymore than they care about the "no murders allowed" law. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I am really very happy that people as ignorant of the legislative process as you are do not have much influence on government at any level. As to your "every home must have a gun" comment, the place is Kennesaw, Georgia, and no one is actually required to own or keep a gun. There are exceptions for anyoen who doesn't want to keep a gun in their home. Tell me, is San Franciso going to let anyone who doesn't want to give up their handgun have an exception? From the place the spawned Dianne Feinstein? I doubt it. You know, I bet the SF city council and the ninth circuit (circus) court of appeals would probably get along grandly. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'll put it in small words for you, prof. The militia should be well-regulated (whether you take well regulated to mean "in good working order" or "has many regulations and requirements"). There is no mention of "well-regulated arms," is there? "Well-regulated" modifies "militia," not "arms." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

CCW requirements don't call for tactical training for a shootout in a night club. They don't call fortactical training for a shootout in a parking lot or a library either. Should those areas be off limits? I can say the same what ifs for any responding police officer. Does that mean cops should be disarmed as well? Cops have hit bystanders in the past. It happens. Cops aren't the jedi of the gun, with some mystical proficiency. Most don't recieve the type of training you are talking about, either. SWAT training is for SWAT units. Tactical units receive superior training. However, as to the "what if he consumed a large amount of liquor" comment, there is a simple answer: being drunk while carrying is universally illegal. Where the line is drawn varies state to state, but people who carry legally know that alcohol and gun powder don't mix. Why outlaw places where liquor is sold instead of simply outlawing being drunk? Why create another victim disarmament zone? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The CCW holder in question was basically already at the foot of the stage. He wouldn't have had to fight his way to the stage or anythign like that. He actually couldn't get away from the stage with the fleeing crowd due to a prosthetic leg. Kallend, be careful you don't attribute rational thoughts to an obviously irrational man. Gale was scanning the crowd for threat or shooting targets. He was firing blindly into a fleeing mass of people after Diamond went down. As to the cover afforded a person on stage, all accounts put Gale right at center stage in the opne area used by performers, not in the tangle of equipment border the sides and rear of the stage. For man standing near the foot of the stage looking up at a lunatic shooting over his head into the commotion of the crowd, it wouldn't have been that hard to draw and fire without being noticed. There also wouldn't have been a hostage scenario that occured later when the first officer arrived. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm sure there would have been confusion and delay between Gale's first shots and deploying the CCW. Gale was able to reload and continue firing. Four people were killed an two other wounded. Gale also took a hostage when police responded. The citizen could have been stunned, reacted, moved to the small cover offered by teh front of the stage, lifted his shirt, drawn, aimed, and fired in what, 25 seconds, tops? How long did it take for police to arrive? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't bring my gun with me when I have to go into a building that doesn't allow carry. (of course I prefer to avoid these buildings all together) I don't like leaving it in my car for risk of a smash and grab theft. Therefor his not having left it in the car is not indicative that he wouldn't have had it on him if it were allowed. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I wasn't goig to answer your post, but I don't want anyone thinking that meant I agreed with you. I don't. I don't see language in the first amendment that says you can go to church on Sunday, or that you can use this website. Does that mean the first amendment doesn't protect those activities? If you don't see the direct link, then what does "the right to keep and bear arms" mean to you? What is included? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

We've all heard about the shooting in Ohio. Nathan Gale, Al Rosa Villa, December 8th, guitarist, etc. We've established that there really is not area that can be kept clear of deadly weapons (not airports, not clubs, not concert venues). Well, we can establish that law abiding citizens can't carry in those place, but since when are the law abiding among us the problem? Aparently there was an Ohio CCW permit holder right there at the foot of the stage, not ten feet from the shooter. However, the Ohio Concealed Carry law prohibits carry into any area or function that serves alcohol. The Villa serves at least beer, so no legal carry. Yeah, that provision worked out real well for the guitarist and the crowd that night. When will they learn that Victim Disarmament Zones are not helping people? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So you're afraid a hijacker could take the gun form the pilot, but don't think the passengers could take the gun from the hijacker? Well, more would be qualified if bureaucrats would stop impeding the will of congress and just trian the pilots like they were directed to do. Mineta and his ilk think they know better. So somehow you think leaving the gun sitting in the cockpit outside the pilot's control is somehow safer than leaving it concealed on his body as he goes about his job of flying the plane? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Same issues, by and large. 1 The steel often jams (reliability issue - in and of itself enough reason not to use it for serious applications). In so doing, 2 it often causes damage to extractors (j-hooks that grab the rim and pull the casing out of the chamber) 3 and ejectors (boots that kick the casing when it's pulled by the extractor). Also, the steel is often given a color coating, and 4 this can mar the surfaces of the chamber. spelling witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You do know that a higher percentage of congressmen have served than people in the general population, right? And as long as they continue to sign on the dotted line, that's the way it will go. Yes, it's black humor, and I enjoy black humor. However, I don't know what you meant by the "Clone" comment, other than possibly a personal attack on me. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, we can completely agree there, and be secure in our beliefs based on decades of the failed experiment in DC. Well, I don't plan on openning up a newspaper or magazine, but I surely would care about a law being passed that insituted wide ranging censorship. Does the idea of minority rights within majority rule truly escape you? So some rights should only apply in certain cities? Self defense doesn't deserve to be a nationwide right? So it's ok to shove religion down people's throats? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The contract basically says you're signing your soul away for as long as they want it. I know because I signed it. Our system of government provides for civilian control over the military. If you can't translate that into "soldiers make the sacrifices the politicians tell them to" then there is no point discussing this any further with you. You're welcome to your opinion. Everybody has one. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Quote Interesting idea, but if this right were so inalienable other cities would not have been able to enact legislation e.g. DC. The courts have upheld the law so far, guess we will have to wait and see what happens on appeal. Quote http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bill+overturn+gun+law+washington+dc&btnG=Google+Search That ban in Washington DC is under threat of repeal from two sides: both legislative and judicial. Don't put all your eggs in that basket just yet. There is a lawsuit brought by residents of Washington DC that their rights ar being infringed. There is also a bill before congress that would alter the gun ban. (already approved by the House, now before the Senate or one of its committees) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I've used a number of different milled steel brands (and some with no brand name) in .38 to break in my little beauty. There was some discoloration on the breech, but nothing that didn't come off in the course of normal cleaning. However, I've heard the things you're hearing here, so I wonder if I'd use it in a pistol or rifle. I'd rather spring for the brass. If you really want to save money, reload your own. Otherwise, go with the bargain brand brass. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Because that's the system and they signed up of their own free will. Yeah, they can bitch about it, but don't act like they didn't know how it worked. Like someone said, U Signed the Motherfuckin Contract. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Odds mean nothing when you actually need to defend yourself. Why belittle those who chose to be prepared for the worst? What are the odds for having a reserve ride on any given jump? So what's the line beween a prudent precaution and a myth of protection? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nobody has the final say on this one. Any judge down the road can decide he doesn't like what he should do, so he'll do what he wants to do and then rationalize it as best he can. Even supreme court decisions aren't "final." They never cover everything, and are always subject to review under future cases. ps - there is extensive case law, including supreme court rulings, that states very clearly that the second amendment recognizes an individual right. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*