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You don't hang out with inner-city youth very often, do you? No, I wouldn't be saying sorry, I'd be shaking the ever living shit out of them asking why they raised my nephew/cousin so poorly that he ended up having to be shot by police. Save your BS hypotheticals. You really need to distinguish between articles by reporters and the crap written in commentaries by interested parties. This wouldn't happen closer to home. In my family, anything even remotely approaching this level of stupidity is taken care of long before it involves, let alone endangers, anyone else. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Helicopter pursuits work best in open terrain like highways and rural areas (the areas least likely to have a helicopter readily availible). Helicopter pursuits work least well in urban areas and other places with too many line-of-sight restrictions (of course, these are the areas most likely ot have a helicopter ready to go). Think about what you've seen on all those "world's deadliest" this and that shows. The only time you see a helicopter is near a big city. In the back woods of Georgia or the suburban maze of New Jersey, all you ever see is the dash mounted cams from police cruisers. ps - helicopters are damned expensive, especially if you want one availible for every time a suspect runs form the cops. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Using your quoted commentary as a basis for facts is like quoting Sarah Brady when discussing gun policy. Standing on foot with a felon trying to run you over with a car is hardly "already safe." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

sarcasm is hard to read sometimes, but he knows damn well that cheap revolvers and minor caliber semiautos handguns are the firearms of choice for the vast majority of violent crime. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Some people never learned "states' rights" or "limited federal government" in school. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, maybe if more qualified black aplicants pusued law enforcement careers, and more white kids led police on car chases, maybe youd' get your wish. Until then, it's a matter of numbers, not racism. As to your UK comment I don't think any department in the US allows shooting from a moving vehicle, and if they do it's not approved for patrol cops. Most allow shooting at a moving vehicle only if it is being used as a deadly weapon about to cause great bodily harm. Some allow tire shotting as longas the shooter is stationary (traffic stop circumstances, etc). Some don't allow pursuits at all (offering a free ride to any perp that runs in a vehicle). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You should;'ve read the shite I removed from my quote. Once again, "they" are up in arms, raising hate, spewing 'acceptable' racism (afterall, it's against whitey), and blaming the cops for everything. There were even claims from some $harpton/Jack$on-esque group saying they were going to patrol their own neighborhoods, and that the cops should stay out. (of course, nobody showed up to replace the cops, and there were the normal number of 911s and service calls...) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/national-39/11086080229340.xml&storylist=topstories (editted to remove racial drivel and repetitive lines) I have to tell you, while seeing video of an officer stepping in front of a vehicle to stop its escape, then shotting "in self defense" shows completely unacceptable action in my book, I don't like the idea of removing cars from the possibles list for assault with a deadly weapon. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Legislation introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives would prevent further abuse of our nation’s courts when frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding businesses seek to blame them for the criminal misuse of legally sold firearms. Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL) and Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA) introduced HR 800 with strong bipartisan backing from 92 co-sponsors. In the Senate, S 397 has a total of 27 co-sponsors backing "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," introduced by Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) and Senator Max Baucus (D-MT). The proposed new law enjoys support from business groups, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the National Association of Wholesalers, as well as organized labor whose members’ jobs are endangered by such reckless lawsuits that are brought against their employers with the intention of bankrupting them. “Lawful and responsible members of the business community must be protected from this destructive effort. These lawsuits are meant to eliminate a segment of the manufacturing industry and the jobs of tens of thousands it employs, by forcing an enormous economic burden on innocent people forced to defend their good names against unwarranted accusations,” observed Doug Painter, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry. “These businesses not only provide materials our men and women in uniform need to win the war against terrorism,” Painter notes, “but also the goods that 40 million Americans use to enjoy recreational shooting and hunting with firearms. These shooting-related activities contribute approximately three billion dollars in activity each year to the nation’s economy.” The National Association of Manufacturers, representing 14,000 members with 18 million employees making all manner of products in America, sees the issue this way: "Today it’s handguns, but tomorrow it could be power tools, golf clubs or automobiles. Manufacturers of perfectly lawful, properly designed and well-functioning products can’t rationally be held liable for third-party actions that may result in harm to another." More than thirty states already have passed similar legislation to prevent unwarranted lawsuits attempting to blame responsible businesses and their employees for the acts of criminals. Federal legislation would prevent new suits from being filed or existing cases from proceeding when a judge determines that the defendants are not connected to the wrongdoing of criminals, and their product was not defectively designed or made. “This legislation would not stop legitimate lawsuits by someone who is injured by a defective product or against any business that knowingly breaks the law. Those kinds of actions are well-established and protected under our statutes and legal traditions. This new law is needed to stop predatory lawsuits that are intended to bankrupt an entire industry by turning upside-down centuries of legal tradition and jurisprudence in America that provides protection in our courts for the innocent,” explains Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of NSSF. Beginning in 1998, some three-dozen lawsuits were brought by municipalities and firearm prohibitionists to blame federally licensed firearm makers and sellers for the criminal misuse of products lawfully made and sold. “Our industry has been forced to spend more than $200 million dollars defending against these outrageous and patently false allegations, with no end in sight,” said Keane. NSSF itself, established in 1961 by the firearms industry to promote safety and the responsible use of its products, has been named a defendant in many of the lawsuits. NSSF created and funded a program called Project ChildSafe (www.projectchildsafe.org) to distribute nationwide more than 20 million firearm safety kits and gun locks. At the request of the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, NSSF created a program to assist law enforcement in its mission to prevent and prosecute criminal purchases of guns, called Don’t Lie for the Other Guy (www.dontlie.org) and through these programs the firearms industry group is a partner in the federal government’s Project Safe Neighborhoods (www.psn.gov) program to prevent crime. “Everyone who works in manufacturing or sells manufactured goods should encourage their representatives in Congress to support this common-sense measure,” adds NSSF’s president, Doug Painter, “because it’s simply wrong and unjust to blame the manufacturer or retailer of a perfectly legal and properly functioning product when someone purposely misuses it. No one would seriously consider suing the manufacturer of matches when an arsonist starts a fire with one, so manufacturers in our industry cannot be held accountable for behavior we do not condone, criminal and irresponsible acts involving our products.” witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

H.R. 418 should be called the national ID card act, instead of the REAL ID act. Thursday, February 17, 2005 ----- "The U.S. House of Representatives passed a national ID bill last week that masqueraded as 'immigration reform.' ... In reality, the bill is a Trojan horse. It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to con a credulous Congress into sacrificing more of our constitutionally protected liberty." -- Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) ----- Rep. Ron Paul got it right. H.R. 418 is not about immigration control as much as it is about citizen control. Last week, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 261-161 to send H.R. 418, the so-called "REAL ID Act of 2005," over to the Senate. The bill federalizes the issuance of drivers' licenses, an activity which until recently has always been a state function. Because no American will be able to fly, take a train or buy a gun from a dealer without a driver's license that meets the federal standards in the bill, H.R. 418 has effectively created a National ID card. The bill's future in the Senate is uncertain at this time, although Rep. Paul's office has told Gun Owners of America that House leaders are contemplating whether to attach H.R. 418 as an amendment to the tsunami relief bill. Lambasting the bill on the floor of the House last week, Rep. Paul noted that the legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand the required information that goes into drivers’ licenses, including "such biometric information as retina scans, fingerprints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology." Should this happen, it would mean that the federal government "would know where Americans are at all times of the day and night," Paul said. Moreover, H.R. 418 requires the U.S. government to share our personal information with Canada and Mexico. Paul was flabbergasted. "There are no limits on what happens to the database of sensitive information on Americans once it leaves the United States for Canada and Mexico -- or perhaps other countries," he said. Paul wondered if crooked Mexican officials would soon be able to sell thousands of identity files, including our Social Security numbers, to alien criminals. Rep. Paul also informed his House colleagues about the dangers this bill poses to gun owners, noting that H.R. 418 contains no prohibitions against including "a person's appearance on a registry of firearms owners" in the National ID card. "H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does," Paul said. "It punishes law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. "H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state." If the President and Congress were serious about cracking down on alien terrorists, they would (for starters) get serious about securing our border. But while Congress funded an additional 2,000 border guards last year, the administration has stated it will only seek to add 210 new guards. And while Congress has enacted armed pilots legislation to combat the threat of terrorist hijackers, the administration has fought this proposal every step of the way. As it stands today, there are many pilots who simply refuse to jump over all the hurdles that the administration has erected for those pilots who want to carry firearms in the cockpit. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

To the best of my knowledge, we sold arms to the resistance, and later gave food, medicine, etc to humanitarian groups there, but I'm not aware of the US government ever arming or supplying any so called government in Afghanistan. Am I wrong? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What do you think about the police taking someof the guns, not becuase a law or regulation had been broken, but because they decided that The audit was to private owners as well, not just security firms. So how does it sit with you that the government can decide for you whether private ownership may or may not be "further warranted?" And to hell with the people who are suffering ever-increasing numbers of home invasions by thugs with blunt force and edged weapons? And since armed self defense is out, and the police can't be everywhere, how does he intend to stop this? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, I wouldn't rule out the "Sino" or the "Islamic" parts to match with the "attack" part, but I don't see them working together. Other than that, yeah, what Bill said. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Maybe I'm getting repetitive now, but I don't know why you're not getting it. Not all of the guns confiscated were improperly stored. Some were taken without breaking any laws at all. Are you ok with that? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I would've said it was pretty clear in saying that the government just didn't think the people needed the guns anymore, and so it took them away (in addition to the storage violations) Not a precedent I'd be comfortable with in my country. (While I disagree with the general premise of storage regulations, I have to agree that breaking the law during a suprise audit can only have one outcome - I strongly disagree with the outcome, but there's not much to be done about it) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Their reason for checking is that they knew where the guns were, nothing more. THIS WAS AN AUDIT OF REGISTERED FIREARMS Right, because all laws are good laws and they should always be upheld and enforced to the maximum. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Tec 9s and Mac 10s/11s, I suppose. Maybe the UZI? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It wasn't banned firearms, these were all legal arms. Also, not all were taken for the red-tape reason of storage violations. Possession of some firearms was not These were all registerd firearms. Many were taken for no particular reason at all. No crime committed, no problems caused, but no right to hold onto your private porperty. ps - I don't think you're an idiot at all, but you're attention to detail when you want to debate things could use some work. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So you're a fan of constant confiscations of private property that has not beens hown to be any sort of threat? OK, whatever floats your boat. Personally, I'm not a believer in the old "the government will solve my problems" mentality. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

My favorite is still the "assault pistol." What is God's name is an assault pistol? Ah hell, better ban them all just to be sure. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Of course they do, ARRRRRRRrrgh Everybody wants to be a sometimes. Too bad most of them act like witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I could argue sex is a good thing. And men should have the remote control. yeah, so that's all I got, but I dare you to disagree. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Ah, the Dread Pirate NacMac, hijacker of threads, strikes again. All hail!! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Isn't a cross-pond meeting of the minds a wonderful thing? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So if some evil ruler comes to power and adopts the crucifix and the star of david as two of his main symbols, are you going to say Christians and Jews should be ok with a ban on their symbols in the country where the evil guy took power? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*