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I would describe that as a "moron maneuver".

Marc doesn't have to play stupid. The evidence on this board is all that one needs to see the power of Marc's intelligence, or lack thereof.

Do you think it would have been more acceptable if he had applied for a federal welfare grant? BHO insulted the families of those Americans killed in Benghazi when he told the Sandy victims that, "We will not leave anyone behind." You want to talk scumbag? The practicing Socialist (who despises Socilism in all its forms, supposedly) weighs in with inane bullshit as parroted from the current Rescumlican talking points. The talking points that have no basis in fact, but are wholeheartedly belived and parroted by the folks that can't tell fiction from fact. Doesn't it get tiresome to be so poorly informed as to what is real, and what is imaginary?

You crack me up. ShrubCo failed to keep funding promising technology that directly threatens the fossil fuel industry, and you hold this out as an example of a total failure? BRILLIANT. You have been fooled. Totally and completely. So much so that you support policies that hurt you and yours, as well as me and mine. I am not OK with that. Not from you, and not from any of the RWC nitwits that support bad policies that hurt the country. Did you know that the word gullible is not in the dictionary? FYI, the first persidential election I voted in was when the disaster that was Ronnie Rayguns happened. The treasonous bastards that went around the sitting president and cut a deal with the enemy. The ones that started us down the road to where we are today.

The same arguments occurred when Fairchild Semiconductor was marketing integrated circuits to the US government and the US Military. It is a VERY good thing that the objections of the conservatives of the time did not become US Policy. I have yet to hear of ANY positive changes to US society and the US economy that came about due to the implementation of conservative philosophy. The damage done is quite obvious, starting with the current fiscal crisis.

It is very clear When will you move up to 7th grade? I agree, it is very clear what RMoney said, and what RMoney meant. I take it you tracked down the vidoe and watched it. When one actually takes the time to see what was said, and how it was said, there is no disputing the facts. Good job, Marc. There is hope for you yet.

I had to quote this drivel quick so you could not delete it Talk about embarassing You do know what CONTEXT means, right? (No, I doubt you do). Asked several times about federal disaster relief he replied each time that deficit spending is immoral. So either he was unethically weaseling to evade the question or the context of his answer was federal disaster relief. Either way, it reflects poorly on him. And asked about it again this week 14 times, he EVADED the question. Where is the immoral portion??? Another direction change by kallend A more perfect example of the selective "thinking" that a Right Wing Conservative must do cannot be found. Track down the entire exchange between the debate moderator and RMoney on Youtube. RMoney could not have been more clear when he described, on the issue of federal disater relief, defecit spending as immoral. What he said, and the context in which it is said, are quite clear, even to the average 7th grader. What is even more bizarre about the statements is that RMoney was wildly in favor of the Iraq invasion and occupation, as well as the Afghanistan adventure we are still stuck in. RWCs/Republicans show MASSIVE concern over defcit spending only when a Democtratic administration is in power. When the Rescums are, money is spent with zero concern for the deficit. The bullshit that RWCs fall for shouldn't be able to fool a middle school student. How come RWCs are so damn gullible? BTSOM...

Another victim of the corporate owned media contributes a parroting of disinformation that is credible to the poorly informed. A conspiracy to intentionally sabotage the Obama presidency was hatched on the eve of the inaguration. In spite of their best efforts, the Obama has been remarkably successful in many areas. Just think how much further along the road to recovery We, the People, could have been if the conspirators had chosen country over party. It is unfortunate for the country that so many people are so easily led to believe things that are not factually correct, aka, LIES, and enable the thugs that already wrecked the country once. If the same people, with the same policies, end up back in power, do you really expect different results? Really? Are you really that easily fooled? In what is sure to help cause a terrible outcome for the average citizens of the USA, the answer is YES. Take a look at the folks on RMoneys team. ShrubCo retreads comprise the great majority. Do you really want the neocon nutbags to run the show again? Why do you hate the USA so much?

4 people died. More people have died from being abandoned in your health care system or due to sub-par treatment. Many more people have died from an invasion based on faulty intelligence. Your outrage is purely based on your political belief system. It is quite frankly a disgrace. You don't care about the people who died, you only care about any potential influence it might have on politics. You, sir, are nowhere near what I would think a christian would be. Your display on this forum is about as hypocritical as it gets. You are dead wrong in your assumption. The practicing Socialist gets pissed off because what he really is shows 100% to outside observers. It is called being hoisted on your own petard. False "christians" like Ron will have a lot to answer for when they meet their maker. I am 100% positive that God will be very harsh on them, and others like them. As Ron admitted in another thread, he doesn't do anything to step outside of the "tribes" dictates. No independent thinking is allowed or encouraged, otherwise one will be kicked out of the tribe. Ron would have been an excellent German citizen in the thirties and forties. Perhaps he might have been fortunate enough to be executed for waterboarding US citizens. Torture is torture, and US morals and values don't change...

Two people who loved the ship very much died doing their best to save it. Your compassion is really awesome. Past a certain size, it is safer for to be at sea instead of tied to a dock, during very bad weather. The Navy sends their ships out to sea for this very reason. The people who were airlifted off of the 32' sailboat during the "Perfect Storm" were saved. The boat itself washed up on the mid Atlantic coast, in very good shape. IIRC, the owner got the boat and all of his worldly possessions back after it turned up. I guess you don't have much maritime experience, eh?

Watching a bit too much tv recently? Warp drives and flux capacitors? Really?? Hint - those are fictional systems, aka, not real. The Romnesians are planning to SLASH funding for basic research, not expand it. Don't you read what little of the details of their plans that have been released? The conclusion could be reached the the Chinese know that if the US Goverment partners with private industry, they won't to be able to compete against that powerful combination. Nice pessemistic view you have there. You, and others like you, are working hard to make sure that the USA becomes a second rate world power. You must be very proud.

How nice. Another rape and pillage of a profitable company by BAIN. I am sure that the usual suspects will be right quick to defend this action. After all, it is the modern American way, now that the laws were rewritten to make this kind of thing both legal and profitable. Right Wing Conservatives cannot discern between right and wrong, only legal and illegal. Here is a hint, it used to be written into the law to force black folks to ride in the back of the bus, and make them give up their seats to any white person who wanted it. Think it over and maybe y'all might start to get a clue as to how to tell the difference between legal, and morally correct. Begin quoted text >>> Sensata Technologies is a Bain Capital owned company in Freeport, IL. Bain Capital is the Romney created firm that takes over businesses and outsources them to China for huge profit. Bain Capital owns Sensata, so of course, Bain is shipping Sensata to China on November 5th, one day before the Presidential election. Thats what Bain does. Not only will 170 Sensata employees lose their jobs, but they were forced by Bain to train their Chinese replacement workers who will be taking their jobs. Sensata employees claim that while they were forced to train their replacement employees, Bain also forced them to take down their American flag while doing so. I mean, of course... you don't want the American flag staring you in the face while you're sending American jobs to China. You don't want to feel guilty or anything. Thats capitalism, right? The employees of Sensata, in an effort to save their jobs, have been camping out in protest in front of Sensata Tech in Freeport, IL. So that is the situation, but how is Mitt Romney involved in this? We know that he created Bain Capital and got filthy rich doing this exact same thing, but didn't Mitt leave Bain Capital 10 years ago? How is he involved? This is where facts are very important. Yes. Romney did leave Bain Capital 10 years ago. He left in the sense that he does not work for Bain anymore and does not make decisions. Romney's investments however are still with Bain Capital and to this day he still makes money from their actions, including when they send companies overseas. Romney is still making money from this while he is running for President. Mitt Romney owns $8 Million in Bain Capital funds that holds 51% of Sensata shares. So Romney still owns half of Sensata and will profit from the company being sent to China. Remember during the 1st Presidential debate when Romney said that he has never heard of a tax break for sending jobs overseas and acted like Obama was a moron for even bringing it up? Well guess what... Shocker: He lied! As those words were coming out of Romney's lying mouth he was getting a tax break for Sensata being sent overseas. The Sensata workers have begged Romney to help them. Having so much power within Bain and owning 51% of it's shares, I'm sure Romney could pull some strings and make some calls and stop Sensata from being outsourced. Instead he has ignored their pleas and the Romney Campaign has even called the police on them when they tried to get a letter to Romney. Sensata Technologies is set to close it's doors on November 5th, One day before the Presidential election where Mitt Romney will ask for your vote to control our Entire economy. So yea... a man currently running for President of the United States will profit from a company being shipped overseas and ignores the pleas of the workers as he promises you that he'll create jobs here and bring back jobs from China. This story is very damning to Romney and could destroy his chance of becoming President if this story gets big enough. If Mitt Romney is not only accepting this behavior but profiting from it right now, not 10 years ago but right now, what makes anyone think he would change if elected President? This story, while about Romney is also bigger than him. Getting this story out is not just about exposing Romney for who he truly is. It is more about helping the 170 workers of Sensata who by no fault of their own will lose their jobs so that Romney and friends can make a little more money. How can Mitt Romney stand on a stage and tell people he'll be tough on China when the day before the election he will make money from sending jobs to China?

He's just displaying left wing clear thinking. You can patronize her, or you can answer her question. Already replied. Go buy your own birth contraol. If you and your partner combined, cannot come up with $.50 for a condom, let me know and I will mail a couple to you. If you can't afford $.50 for the condom, perhaps there are other goals one should be focused on. Blithering ignorance is REALLY annoying when it comes from people who really should know better. Here are the facts - NO form of contraception is 100% reliable. Take your holier than thou, dumb as a box of rocks ideas and GO GET THE FACTS!! Once you have actual factual information on the subject, feel free to come back and apologize. Oh, that's right, I forgot, as a Right Wing CONservative, facts are immaterial. Only feelings and beliefs matter. No fact checking is valid if it conflicts with the previously established feelings and beliefs. For an RWC, the fact checking that conflicts with the feelings and beliefs is just smart people trying to make you feel stupid. You must really despise your mother, sisters, and nieces quite a lot. Are you gay, by any chance? That might explain the hatred you show for 1/2 of the human race.

Perhaps you might educate yourself on the history and development of Silicon Valley and the semiconductor industry. Electrical engineers knew, for a long time, how to design systems that could not be built with the current technology of the times. Enter Shockley and the other brilliant engineers figured out how to make circuits on silicon wafers. The process was extremely expensive, and not at all commercially viable for the private sector. The US government via NASA and the DOD had the money to, in the thinking of modern "conservatives", waste on products that did not have any perceived commercial value. The "wasted" money financed advances in design and manufacturing that brought down the cost for these products. Clever engineers like Wozniak figured out how to repurpose the products into assemblies that evolved into the personal computer, for example. Had the government followed what passes for "conservative" thinking these days, the government support of the semiconductor industry never would have happened in the USA. If that had happened, what would the world be like now? NASA budgets have been sliced and diced drastically. The moon landing project that cost billions of tax payer dollars ended up creating industries that returned trillions of dollars in economic growth. Once again, if what passes for "conservative" thinking had been applied, we would not have had the results of the government investment that happened. For skydivers, the history of the airplane industry follows much the same pattern. Why would intelligent, well informed people be against the government support of the alternative energy industry? I believe that they aren't. It is the low information people who don't know much about industrial history and the involvement of government in the development of industry. They are told that any involvement of the government in private industry is socialism, and they believe it. Romneys success rate at Bain was about 8% of their investments actually panned out. The US government's involvement in the alternative energy industry is running at about 22% or thereabouts. True patriots who cared about the long term success of the USA would be celebrating the successes, instead of dwelling on the failures. Gloating about the failures is not helpful to the long term health of the country. Quite the opposite.

Was it difficult for you to keep a straight face when you typed this? You appear to be blissfully unaware of the Republican Party Platform, as voted on during the convention. Feel free to clear up the ignorance issue that caused you to write what you did.

This is very well written. If you have a mother, sisters, neices, grand neices, or anyone female that you care about, it should be 100% impossible for you to vote republican in this day and age. Freedom from government inference in one's personal decisions is supposed to be a conservative value. Why is it that this value only applies to men? Begin quoted text >>> Dear GOP candidates and party members, I'm going to give you some free campaign advice: stop talking about rape. The latest Republican rape commentary comes from Romney-endorsed Indiana senatorial candidate Richard Mourdock, who tells us: "I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen." Cue outrage, then cue "apology" from Mourdock – not for his comments, but for "any interpretation other than what I intended". National Republican senatorial committee chairman John Cornyn voiced his support for Mourdock and added that he also believes "life is a gift from God." I would hate for Mr Mourdock to think I'm misinterpreting him here, so let's be clear about what he said: he did not say that rape is a gift from God. He did say that an unwanted pregnancy is a post-rape goodie bag from the Lord. And that the Lord intended it to happen that way. Perhaps God should rethink his delivery system. And perhaps Mourdock should rethink his interpretation of divine will. What this umpteenth rape comment tells us isn't that the Republican party has a handful of unhinged members who sometimes flub their talking points. It reveals the real agendas and beliefs of the GOP as a whole. These incidents aren't isolated, and they aren't rare. Sharron Angle, who ran for a US Senate seat out of Nevada, said she would tell a young girl wanting an abortion after being raped and impregnated by her father that "two wrongs don't make a right" and that she should make a "lemon situation into lemonade". Todd Akin said victims of "legitimate rape" don't get pregnant – an especially confusing talking point, if God is giving rape victims the gift of pregnancy. Maybe God only gives that gift to victims of illegitimate rape? Wisconsin state representative Roger Rivard asserted: "Some girls rape easy." Douglas Henry, a Tennessee state senator, told his colleagues: "Rape, ladies and gentlemen, is not today what rape was. Rape, when I was learning these things, was the violation of a chaste woman, against her will, by some party not her spouse." Republican activist Phyllis Schlafly declared that marital rape doesn't exist, because when you get married you sign up to be sexually available to your husband at all times. And when asked a few years back about what kind of rape victim should be allowed to have an abortion, South Dakota Republican Bill Napoli answered: "A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life." Rape lemonade. Legitimate rape. The sodomized virgin exception. A rape gift from God. Some Republicans, like Mitt Romney, have tried to distance themselves from their party's rhetorical obsession with sexual violation. What they're hoping we won't notice is the fact that their party is politically committed to sexual violation. Opposition to abortion in all cases – rape, incest, even to save the pregnant woman's life or health – is written into the Republican party platform. Realizing they can't make abortion illegal overnight, conservatives instead rally around smaller initiatives like mandatory waiting periods, transvaginal ultrasounds and mandated lectures about "life" to make abortion as expensive, difficult and humiliating as possible. Republicans bow to the demands of "pro-life" organizations, not a single one of which supports even birth control, and the GOP now routinely opposes any effort to make birth control or sexual education available and accessible. They propose laws that would require women to tell their employers what they're using birth control for, so that employers could determine which women don't deserve coverage (the slutty ones who use birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy) and which women do (the OK ones who use it for other medical reasons). Mainstream GOP leaders, including Mitt Romney, campaign with conservative activists who lament the fact that women today no longer fully submit to the authority of their husbands and fathers, mourn a better time when you could legally beat your wife, and celebrate the laws of places like Saudi Arabia where men are properly in charge. Senate Republicans, including Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan and "legitimate rape" Todd Akin, blocked the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. And Ryan and Akin joined forces again to propose "personhood" legislation in Washington, DC that would define a fertilized egg as a person from the moment sperm meets egg, outlawing abortion in all cases and many forms of contraception, and raising some serious questions about how, exactly, such a law would be enforced. Underlying the Republican rape comments and actual Republican political goals are a few fundamental convictions: first, women are vessels for childbearing and care-taking; second, women cannot be trusted; and third, women are the property of men. Mourdock's statement that conceiving from rape is a gift positions women as receptacles, not as autonomous human beings. This view of women as vessels – vessels for sex with their husbands, vessels for carrying a pregnancy, vessels for God's plan – is a necessary component of the kind of extreme anti-abortion legislation most Republican politicians support. So is the idea that women are both fundamentally unintelligent and dishonest. Akin's "legitimate rape" comment and Rivard's contention that "some girls rape easy" rely on the idea that women routinely lie about rape and shouldn't be believed; blocking VAWA relied partly on similar logic put forward by men's rights activists, that women lie about being abused in order to secure citizenship and other benefits. Hostility to abortion rights similarly positions rightwing lawmakers as the best people to determine whether or not any particular woman should be legally compelled to carry a pregnancy to term. Women, they seem to think, don't know their own bodies or their own lives, and cannot be trusted to determine for themselves whether continuing a pregnancy is a good idea. Rape treats women as vessels, disregarding our autonomy and our right to control what happens to us physically and sexually. The Republican position is that women are not entitled to make fundamental decisions about our own bodies and our own sexual and reproductive health. When that position is written into the GOP platform and is a legislative priority, can we really be surprised when it's further reflected in Republican legislators' comments on rape? These aren't a few errant remarks from insensitive politicians. They're at the heart of the Republican party's agenda.

That there is some really funny stuff!!! Here we have an excellent example of just how ignorant the average Right Wing Conservative is. Hint - Chavez 2nd hint - Oil rich country in South America Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! Ignorance is BLISS Right Wing Conservatives lead a VERY blissful existence.

What amuses me about you and kallend and keeps me coming back is this. First, you both seem to believe that one of these candidates follows the rules. Neither one of them do. The rules of politics and of government is a common base of language and policy that defines the parameters of obfuscation and boundaries so that each participant can determine the easiest point of violation in order to accomplish the objective. Second, when speaking in public each candidate says what he thinks his audience wants to hear based on the retarded level of government education he assumes they have attained. Nothing said by either one is true across the fruited plain. Candidates cannot be accurately evaluated on specifics. They must be evaluated based on concepts. The two concepts of this election are socialism or capitalism. One of Clint Eastwoods best lines is "A man has got to know his limitations". Thanks for letting us know just how limited your intellectual capacity is. I am pretty sure that the limitations are necessary to be a right wing conservative. As a practicing Socialist, why are you so adamantly opposed to socialism? It must be due to the FACT that you are getting yours, while supporting those that would screw the folks that are 54 years old, and less, out of the same benefits you are taking. A more obvious example of the selfishness and venality of right wing conservatives would be hard to find. Doesn't the hypocrisy ever bother you at all? Aren't "christians" supposed to be of high moral character? That does not seem to be the case, these days. Quite the opposite.

You have proven to me that you have NO idea what your post here, means You don't have a clue as to what I mean when I wrote what I wrote? That does reveal quite a bit about you and your values. Hating people because of how God made them, and trying to deny them the same rights and privleges as white heterosexual people is not acceptable to reasonable people. Why is that kind of hatred acceptable to you? We should tolerate hatred and bigotry? I don't think so.

It was, at one time, considered to be perfectly fine to have "seperate but equal" facilities for whites and blacks. It was, at one time, considered to be perfectly fine to prevent white people and black/yellow/orange people from getting married. It was, up until society continued its evolution, considered perfectly fine to actively discriminate against LBGT people. It is no longer OK. The pushback against the policies of hatred and denial of human rights is what is happening. Are reasonable people required to tolerate hatred and denial of human rights? I think not. Where is the line between acceptable and unacceptable? The students have it right. Economic pressure applied to the haters is one of the tools to solve the issue. Support for organizations that have leaders that promote hatred and bigotry is optional, not mandatory. I am sure that there are places in the USA that would be delighted to vote in restrictions against people from other races being allowed to rent or own property in their communities. These same people would be happy to return to anti-miscgenation laws, if the Federal government would allow it. Should we tolerate that as acceptable? I think not.

Yes. That's why the ACA didn't pass. That is quite lame. The ACA is not even close to what was originally proposed. The twisted up parts of the ACA that piss off the RWCs are due the fucked up compromises that were necessary to get to the 60 vote margin required to pass ANYTHING through the senate these days. The rescums are using the senate rules to pervert the Constitution. For all the bluster from RWCs about the sanctity of the Constitution, they never have a problem shitting all over it when it furthers their objectives.

Perhaps you might brush up on basic civics. Simple stuff like what part of the government deals with spending and appropriations. If that works out to being understandable to you, then you can work on how the House and Senate are supposed to interact. Next up would be the role of the VP. Follow that up with some research on the Senate rules on filibusters. Continue your research on filibusters on the issues of what they were when implemented, what they have evolved into, and what was done over the last four years with regard to passing anything through the Senate. To stretch your mind a bit, take a look at the news coverage dfrom 2005. Filibuster rules were used to block some of ShubCo's policies. The concept of allowing an "up or down vote", aka, no filibusters, 51 votes in the senate wins, was trumpeted loudly in the media at that time. Somehow those trumpets have been silent during this current administration. Pelosi was, by all objective statistical analysis, one of the most effective SOHs in history. Almost all of the progressive legislation that was passed by the HOR (the hope and change that the people voted for) was killed in the Senate by the gross abuse of the filibuster rules. The RWC canard the Obama had two years with a democratic congress and could have done whatever he wanted is a bald faced lie. A lie that is patently ridiculous.

In other words, you don't have a clue and won't bother to educate yourself. If you were to educate yourself by doing the research, and post the results on this public forum, you would help dispel not only your own ignorance, but that of other like minded folks. My statement is TRUE. SS helped fix that terribly un-christian outcome of the selfishness and greed of the right wing conservatives. None of THEIR tax money should be used to help the less fortunate in our society. Failure to have enought money to survive is strictly due to one's own personal failings. Society has no business helping those that are less fortunate. That would be un-christian of us. Ron, you are and will continue to be taking benefits through the most sociailist program available to the average citizen. The folks that do your thinking for you despise the program and want to end it. They were against it when it was proposed, fought against it the entire time it was being considered, and weaken it every time they get the chance. It doesn't take much research to uncover these facts. Of course, since such research might cause you to question the your tribe, and their position on these issues, you can not safely do such research. You might get expelled for challenging that which your leaders present as true. Ignorance can be corrected. Stupidity cannot.

Hey Socialist, how come you never did your homework? Are you afraid of finding out facts that conflict with what your "tribe" believes? Intentionally maintaining ones abject ignorance is a sure sign that you are a Right Wing Conservative.

How nice that the dirtbags on the right are so happy to be dancing on the graves of the 4 people who were killed in Libya. You really are cold, heartless scumbags. I am sure that none of you dirtbags is aware that Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, October 10, and took responsibilty for the events in Libya, same as she did on CNN. Funny how Rupert's paper conveniently failed to print the story. If you are looking for a conspiracy, there is plenty to be found there. I am sure that none of you dirtbags is aware that funding for state department security was CUT by the tea bagger congress. I am sure that none of you dirtbags have a clue as to what an embassy is, and what a consulate is. I am sure that none of you dirtbags is aware that the State department cannot just send whatever security staff they want to send to a host country. The host country has to OK the mission. You folks really are as low as it gets.