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If you look around on the products website, it shows some demos versus a competing product, Wescam, I believe. It lists where the shots were taken for "5. Altitude and conditions were IDENTICAL — gimbals were flown at 12,000', X-38 Drop initiated at 39,500'" Like Quade said...VERY long lens setup is possible. I would imagine that they were near exit altitude. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

So when it stalled, did the jumpers stay or go? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I have done extensive research in the past on the subject and sent out a large email response contradicting the 'notes' email. However, Fonda has always been very much a fan of communism and has made numerous comments about it both involving the Soviet Union and Vietnam. She made six broadcasts over communist state-funded Radio Hanoi during July 1972. On July 14th, she said "This is Jane Fonda speaking from Hanoi, and I'm speaking particularly to the U.S servicemen...I don't know what your officers tell you...but [your] weapons are illegal and that's not just rhetoric...The men who are ordering you to use these weapons are war criminals according to international law, and in the past, in Germany and Japan, men who committed these kinds of crimes were tried and executed." In an interview with Rolling Stone, she said (relatively recently) Are you saying that going to Hanoi didn't have the desired effect?" Fonda answered "No. Going was important." As far as torture of Americans she claims she never said no Americans were tortured, only that "Those POWs who implied a systemic policy of torture were lying." I see your point about celebrity opinions, but I think she is a very poor choice of reference. She does not deserve to share the same html code as Reagan. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

First off here is what I think about eprotest: http://liveupdate.lrmproject.com/Big570/Admin/Headlines.asp?TableNo=2&TableName=ThirdList Feel free to use the email addresses to tell them what you think. Furthermore, while I am not going to argue conclusively for it. I have heard it stressed in more than one forum that they would like people to stay on the phone at least one minute. At least a minor goal of this is to cause havoc with the communications systems thus gaining publicity. Quade: I was not gonna say anything personal until you defended Jane Fonda. I think you are grossly wrong. Jane Fonda is an embarassment. She is not remorseful nor particularly 'un-proud' of her actions and if you do a little research you will find that while the ever popular chain emails are not true, 90% of the underlying story is. My father is a Vietnam Vet and many in the jumping community are as well. Whether you realize it or not, her actions were a direct insult to them and their brothers at arms. If you choose to be anti-war, liberal, etc, etc. That is your right. Just remember it was paid for in blood! American blood of sons and fathers. Including those that Jane Fonda choose to metaphorically spit on. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I have just read this thread until now, but would like to share a few thoughts. We have kinda strayed from the Cobalt line of thought, which until new answers are introduced is fine. I think Atair is at a crossroads, I think they have some neat ideas, but the need to tweak some things. Supposedly, the canopies were the absolute best a few years ago, and it has been proven that they have at least some inconsistancy. And yes I have jumped a Cobalt...a 170 infact. My thoughts: A cobalt or any other semi elliptical is not a good student canopy. They are just too responsive. As an instructor you want to give your students the chance to make more than one mistake and walk away. Is that encouraging bad habits? no. It is being intelligent to know that students will make mistakes and caring for them enough to lessen the consequences of the mistakes. f1freak: you are absolutely right about teaching them. Canopy control is lacking as a whole in the student community I feel. But I think you have the cart before the horse. By admitting that canopy control is lacking, we are all essentially saying that the gear is already ahead of training, ie students are coming of student status without the necessary skills to pilot canopies effectively. So why should we advance gear more? I feel we should not...we should advance training more. You are absolutely right, students should learn about ellipticals, but you must consider timing. You infer that to learn about it, it must be done in the first 20 jumps. I feel that student progression should last much longer. We should not let students just walk away after level 8s, etc. The coaching should continue, perhaps with differnt tracks, like majors in college. If you want to freefly seek out the freefly coach. If you want to swoop, seek out the canopy coach. There is too much to absorb in training as it is...it needs to get longer not shorter. You equate the difference between f-111 and ZP to the difference between square and ellip. I don't think they are equal. I am all for training on ZP. My student progression from day one was on a Sabre..266, 233, 210. On jump no. 11 I was flying a 210 at a wing loading of 1:1. Some people thought it was radical, my JM and DZO did not and felt comfortable with my position. It varies from student to student. But progression through smaller ZP squares is totally different than semi-ellip or ellip. In the beginning students are oblivious to deployment body position, they are uncertain of altitude under canopy, hell they are not quite sure where to flare yet. Just because you tell them to be will not make them either. Skydiving is like riding a motorcycle, driving a car, or calculus. It takes practice. There are just too many variables to assimiliate at once. You must use building blocks. The primary point of student status is to teach them to save their own life. That involves exiting, dealing with malfunctions, and landing without getting injured. That involves enough contingencies. You are disagreeing with a lack of training, and I totally agree with you, but beg the question "when"? We cannot cram any more information into student status. That is just not realistic. We are not putting students out on rounds, and I dont think anyone would think it would be safer. Squares are not that different from ellipticals. Students learn to check their 3-rings, examine toggle control range, is it square, stable, steerable, etc, etc. Just because you make them understand they will get hurt, does not stop them from doing it. You think the majority of students get hurt because they are cocky? NO, they are just not practiced skydivers yet. You ever seen a student get in line twists because they did not know their body position was bad? You ever seen a student who became uncertain right before landing and did not flare properly? There are many more, but would you rather have those students on squares or ellips? Because personally I am glad they are on squares. Radio training, very good idea. Ever had a student misunderstand instructions under canopy or not respond? Most canopies that 'we' fly just are not forgiving enough for students. The mistakes will happen, whether you will them to learn or not. And when they do, it would be nothing less than negligance on our parts as mentors, instructors, friends, etc not to have done everything to minimize the consequences. As an anology, would you teach CRW to students? Why not? Because their canopy skills are not yet sufficient. You get the control, then you apply it and build on it. High performance canopies take no less precision than CRW. Furthermore, I do not think there will be a massive replacement of square canopies any time in the near future. They provide stable learning platforms. And until students are positive they know how to react to malfunctions of many sorts, including traffic patter avoidance, I see no reason to give them more to concentrate on. Instructors should be lengthening the downsize curve, not shortening it. Their is no finish line, that we need to get to. Would you give your 16 year old a Vette? By the way, I only met HooknSwoop once, but I have read some of his stuff. He is squared away. He flys a pocket rocket, not a Manta, so if is from the swooping camp and says "Caution" it is something to consider. If you want a bigger name read JC Colclasure's stuff. He urges you to start big and squeeze all the performance out of your canopy before moving down. I have learned all front risers manuevers on a Sabre 210 at 1:1. The technique is fundamentally the same, however the recovery arc, etc is much safer. You can learn all you need under a square. Then when you know it in your sleep, build on it, go smaller, and do exactly what you advocate...start conservative again and never stop training. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Ever been Coolidge? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Nope it has definitely been poster, although at least a year ago. Actually just found it, almost exactly a year ago. I participated in the "was it photoshopped debate" http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=88228#88228 -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I can still she her face the mud started to build up her makeup LOL ROFLMAO -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

May it be noted the last time I was mudding with Dave...well we did not mean to go mudding...there was this Mexican on a motorcycle... seriously, it is a long story...the ended with someone pulling us out of the mud. Dave also redecorate the inside of their door and the poor ladies clothing. Iam laughing my ass off recalling it. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Another google find http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2003/02/13/news/magazine/daily/5168332.htm -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

first hit in a google search turns this up http://www.habitablezone.com/offtopic/messages/24890.html -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Personally I prefer and run Netgear. However, Linksys is not a bad router. I simply think way too much changes between firmwares. You can see that referenced in the doc above. My netgear offers more of the options I seek, although it is via telnet. But either would be a step above nothing. Plus....no more net send/Windows msger spam. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Well not sure about quid. But... A router is only about $80 US for a decent one, and is worth every penny. And software firewalls do not NAT, that is itself allows a lot of flexibility. The weakest link in any software firewall is the user which utlimately decides what to pass and what to drop. Below is a document I had to write for work -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

LOL that was the first truly funny thing about this sad accident -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Yeah...I would guess the legs are adhered to the train or laying away from the track in the direction of travel. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Better yet, get a NATing router and you will probably never need a software firewall again. And you dont have to continually allow or deny traffic. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Yeah, skydiving and BASE are really totally different. Most hardcore BASE jumpers never jump out of a plane. And stationary lauches call for totally different body control than 100knot plane exits. Not defending cutaway...just commenting. Plus the dude had a lot of tunnel time. Either way, I think the point is that the top later is there to make whuffos watch. The underlying layers which we see (most of us) are pretty accurate like Quade said. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Yeah, but these are not flash card, like I think you are thinking. These are micro hard drives! 5GBs worth. In the size of a credit card? I have never seen this. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Check this out: http://www.storcard.com/index.html -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

On my 3rd s/l jump, I had a different JM than the previous two. They had been doing the "Sit, feet out, climb out, hang" thing. This JM, Jeff, turns to me, says "You know what to do, get the hell out of my airplane!" It was really motivating. The first time in my skydiving, when I felt like I knew what I was doing. Very cool, and still remember it 200 jumps later. Someday I will do it to a S/L student. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I have the poster, which features down toward the bottom a few guys in 70s 'balloon' suits that are no where in the movie.

There is, it is called Cisco Works. It is a GUI front end for their products. Pretty pricy though. I use the CCO website frequently. But was just curious about personal impressions. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I second that...bought the CD, as opposed to the fact that I will never buy a Metallica CD again in my life. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Well...this was not my story, but I heard it recounted and I trust the source. I was standing in line at manifest in Eloy, when Mike Ortiz walks up and starts talking to the guy in front of me. I just thought it was cool to be standing next to Mike. Anyway, he is holding his camera with the lens assembly totally crunched. He tells the guy in front of me that his wide angle snagged a riser and it ripped the assembly off. Bummer, etc, etc. He proceeds to say he looked around and saw the lens sitting behind his 3-ring on his right side. "I have no idea how it got there" (his camera was on the left side) So he tried to push it off into his hand, but it started to fall. So he hacked it with his foot, and tried to catch. But he could not quite reach it. I was just thinking wow, he is flying something tiny, he reaches for the lens, then hacks it with his leg in an attempt to catch it. Just seemed pretty impressive at the time. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Shut up and let us work