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They are claiming that it didn't have ANY real intent to target the right.... they were being lazy..... I wonder if this had happen under Bush how many of my left friends here would have bought that? Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I just wish people would wake up to the fact that although politicians ALWAYS talk about taxing "the rich" and being "fair" it normally doesn't hit the G.E.'s. See G.E. gives money away, has people to lobby for them..... I wonder how much G.E.'s taxes went up, last year - vrs how much they will actually PAY.......... Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

So first we get an inaccurate post... Now it looks like the facts have come out. Does the officer get his job back? Was using TM as an example of when NOT to shoot wrong? Seems to me that the officer was using this as an example toward restraint from shooting. We need MORE if that, not less. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

The basic "statement" from the dz is that it didn't happen....that they were on a weather hold all day, that he was ask NICELY about he tat and then left shortly after.....so there story is that he made the entire thing up. I find some posting on Tee shirts about Obama to be highly offensive .... but of course I just shrug and let it go. The visiting Muslim shouldn't be treat special... BUT THEY WILL BE because they are spending a lot of money. I can understand that. I don't have to agree with it but as a small business owner you make decisions. Some are wrong. If what was reported is true than I believe the dz made a bad one. I'll watch wait and read but unless I see something that changes my mind I'll never go back to lake wales. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I've thought about it more this way....the dzo doesn't do the work on the airplane, the pilot is found to be hammered while flying...that results in a direct death or injury. Crash on take off..... I actually can see that being liable and I am a BIG don't sue guy. Now the pilots has to deal with an egine problem, puts it back on the runway but flips it, provided they were sober I'd pass. Putting someone on a jump that shouldn't be there is liable to a degree, but who determines WHO should be on a jump is what would go to court - then LO may be forced to defend and that by itself is expensive. In the end I try to keep the money part far away from me (it's easy in this sport ) but my lawyers tell me that really won't protect me from defending. Just the way it is. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Thanks for the info guys. I will in the future look to see if the LO's are listed on the dz waiver. Sad that something your not making money on can cost you money just to defend....... Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Look John, Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws out there. Give it some time! All these old laws, new laws....people being tired of the shootings will take effect and you'll have the safest city in America. Seriously Just give it some time.......... Really...it will work. Soon. Just wait. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

While I'm not in the business of defending TK I'm betting that a lot of his flustration is that after viewing the video (IF HE HAS) he knows what happen and at this time can't comment. It may be a while. On the other side of the fence, there has been some learning from this thread and perhaps that's the best we can get. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I'd appreciate whatever you could find out. The part that bugs me is that just to defend can cost a LOT. Which is how the system is rigged. There may not be a good case but the "bad" lawyer can file and try to settle for very little money to force money to be spent. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

What legal liability does an organizer have? Was reading in the incident forums about an accident in Sidney. The basic if I have it right (I haven’t read the entire thread) was that someone with a very low skill level got on a jump and got killed. The organizer may face legal issues. Got me wondering. I’ve never heard of an organizer being sued here. Having organizer state and local records I don’t take compensation other than cost – such as hotel, pack jobs… no payment. I lose money on every event I do and I can prove it. But these are state and local records so obviously I’m looking for the talent to get it done. What about just a day organizing at the dz? At best I get a free slot. I enjoy the little amount of organizing I do, and I relax a bit because I know anyone can sue anyone for something in America but any idea’s just how much liability we are actually talking about? Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I know this is a long read for some, others will be turned off by who wrote it but to me it seems a fair approach. I had to cut and paste but believe I got it right. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

This boogie is the best kept boogie secret out there. Everyone just comes and has a blast (other than a few locals) It is such a perfect set up for jumping. I don't think I've missed one of the 10. Thanks to the 35 other people that made knocking off the new Ga POP's record so easy - first attempt. Doesn't get much better than that. Be safe all. Fortson Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

You know Bills post might in it's on way be a good example of what has gone on these last few years. When I first came to dz.com you could barely tell where Bill fell on the political side of things. I respected his thoughts because they seem well balanced. Now Bill is fairly well established as a liberal in most of the debates here. Is that wrong? Of course not! But as Bill has gone the country has gone. (He's directing the country ) This isn't a PA on Bill just the observation that it seems that people that once road down the middle of the road now seem to be hard right or hard left. Personally I think the 24 hr news cycle is to blame.....we have a predetermind view, we watch whatever channel supports that view and become harder in our view. Having said that I still read Bills post for the occasionally times that old Bill shows up. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Hey, The sequester was a dumb idea, it was by all accounts the presidents idea. Give the president credit he will (has) turned this toward the Rep. In the end it appears that this "new" fight will be over the idea of closing loop holes now. We've raised taxes ont eh"rich" we charges back the 2% to everyone but the idea of cutting 2-3% out of the federal gov is undoable?? Shouldn't the president come up with the cuts now? We don't have to have the sequester - we have to have the cuts. I hate them all Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

It would seem they aren't ignoring you, but rather the two of you disagree with how the rig got in the shape it is in. (at least at this point) Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

60's here....why don't you come down to the POPs record March the 15th, fly that nice plane down. You come, you got a slot. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

DZ posters...........yeah thats a good yard stick of whats going on. A few pay $25 a jump to skydive, others just post all day long.....the ones that post all day seem to be in the top income brackets to. (if you believe there post) Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

The true robbery is from the hard working people who saved for retirement who now can get a great 1% return on CD's. they are being forced into the market for returns or there savings a being eaten by inflation. By the government keeping rates so low we are barely keeping our economy going while we steal money from the elders that saved for there retirement. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Wow, the press actually wrote something like THIS?? The president spins his accomplishments on jobs, health care and deficit reduction in annual address. President Obama put a rosy spin on several accomplishments of his administration in his 2013 State of the Union address. The president claimed that "both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion." But that's only an estimate of deficit reduction through fiscal year 2022, and it would be lower if the White House used a different starting point. Obama touted the growth of 500,000 manufacturing jobs over the past three years, but there has been a net loss of 600,000 manufacturing jobs since he took office. The recent growth also has stalled since July 2012. He claimed that "we have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas." Actual mileage is improving, but Obama's "doubled" claim refers to a desired miles-per-gallon average for model year 2025. Obama said the Affordable Care Act "is helping to slow the growth of health care costs." It may be helping, but the slower growth for health care spending began in 2009, before the law was enacted, and is due at least partly to the down economy. The president also made an exaggerated claim of bipartisanship. He said that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney agreed with him that the minimum wage should be tied to the cost of living. But Romney backed off that view during the campaign. Analysis President Barack Obama gave his State of the Union address to Congress on Tuesday, laying out his legislative agenda for the coming year and achievements of his time in office. But Obama puffed up his record. Deficit Reduction Obama said the administration and Congress "have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion." A bipartisan group called the estimate "very reasonable." But it is only an estimate — and a debatable one at that — for deficit reduction from budgets through fiscal year 2022. Exactly how much will be cut will be up to future Congresses. And, even if Congress meets those deficit-reduction goals, deficit spending will continue and the federal debt will grow larger — unless much more is done. Obama: Over the last few years, both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion — mostly through spending cuts, but also by raising tax rates on the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans. As a result, we are more than halfway towards the goal of $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists say we need to stabilize our finances. Obama has cited the $2.5 trillion figure on numerous occasions, including at a Jan. 14 news conference. It is based largely on two pieces of legislation: the Budget Control Act of 2011, which placed caps on discretionary spending beginning in 2012, and the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which prevented tax hikes on most Americans in 2013 but allowed rates to go up on the top 1 percent of taxpayers. There was some additional savings from reductions in discretionary spending in the fiscal 2011 appropriations bills. Republicans challenge the $2.5 trillion figure with some justification, because the amount of savings depends heavily on the baseline — that is, the starting point of comparison. The White House told us it used the Office of Management and Budget's January 2011 baseline. In a recent report, the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated the deficit reduction at $2.7 trillion, using the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office's August 2010 baseline. But it also acknowledged that "there is no simple answer to the question of how much deficit reduction has been enacted so far." The report says starting a year earlier or later would reduce the estimated savings. CRFB, Feb. 11: Although $2.7 trillion is a very reasonable estimate of enacted savings, it is by no means the only way to measure past savings. It is worth noting that the discretionary savings in this number are in fact calculated from the high point of discretionary spending. Measuring either from a year later or from a year earlier would result in a smaller savings number because base discretionary spending (excluding the effects of the stimulus) actually increased between 2009 and 2010 due to larger-than-projected appropriations. As we have written once before, the vast majority of the deficit reduction has yet to materialize. Congress is supposed to comply with the caps on discretionary spending imposed by the Budget Control Act in future appropriations bills. But whether that happens remains to be seen. And, even if Congress complies, deficit spending will continue, and the federal debt will rise — just not as quickly as it otherwise would have. The latest CBO figures show the public debt — that is, the amount the federal government owes the public — will approach $20 trillion in 2023, an increase of more than $8 trillion from its current level of $11.6 trillion. For that reason, most budget experts warn that the president understates the scope of the budget problem when he says, as he did in his speech, that "we are more than halfway towards the goal of $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists say we need to stabilize our finances." The nonpartisan Concord Coalition says the president's goal of accomplishing $4 trillion in deficit reduction "would hardly mean the ‘job is finished.'" The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget struck the same cautionary note in its report, saying the progress so far is "notable" but enacting $4 trillion in deficit reduction will not stabilize the debt. CRFB, Feb. 11: Declaring victory with an additional $1.5 trillion would be dangerous, however, since it would leave no margin for error, would result in slower economic growth, would leave little fiscal flexibility, and would have little chance of stabilizing the debt beyond the ten-year window. For these reasons, we believe the debt must be not only stable, but on a clear downward path by the end of the decade. More from MSN News Video: Obama: State of our union is 'stronger' Video: Obama: Tax, entitlement reform won't be easy Rubio pushes Obama on taxes Analysis: Obama isn't in the mood for compromise Text of Obama's State of the Union address Text of Rubio's GOP response Photos from the address Twitter's Take: State of the Union Awkward Rubio water bottle moment causes stir on Twitter Signs of unity in a divided Congress during speech What they're saying about State of the Union Manufacturing Jobs The president was correct when he said U.S. "manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three" years, but that's not the whole story. Overall, there has been a net loss of more than 600,000 manufacturing jobs since Obama took office in January 2009, and manufacturing job growth during his tenure has stalled since reaching a peak of nearly 12 million jobs in July 2012. Obama: After shedding jobs for more than 10 years, our manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three. Over the past three years — since January 2010 — the U.S. economy has added 490,000 manufacturing jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 11,950,000 manufacturing jobs in January 2013 — up from the 11,460,000 jobs recorded in January 2010. However, there were 12,556,000 manufacturing jobs in January 2009. So overall, there has been a loss of 606,000 jobs since Obama took office. More recently, "manufacturing growth has been stuck in neutral," as the National Association of Manufacturers said Tuesday in a press release. During the three-year period cited by Obama, manufacturing jobs peaked at 11,957,000 in July 2012. Since then, the jobs figure has fluctuated, and the economy has lost 7,000 manufacturing jobs. Invoking Romney on Minimum Wage Making a pitch to raise the minimum wage to $9 an hour, Obama argued for its bipartisan appeal by invoking his 2012 presidential campaign foe, Republican Mitt Romney, as a kindred spirit when it comes to tying the minimum wage to the cost of living. But Romney actually backpedaled a bit on that position during the campaign. Obama: Tonight, let's declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour. … So here's an idea that Gov. Romney and I actually agreed on last year: Let's tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, so that it finally becomes a wage you can live on. It's true that during a campaign event on Jan. 7, Romney remarked: "My view has been to allow the minimum wage to rise with the [Consumer Price Index] or with another index so that it adjusts automatically over time." But just two months later, Romney hedged on that position in an interview with CNBC's Larry Kudlow, saying that in the midst of a recovery, "right now, there's probably not a need to raise the minimum wage. Mitt Romney: Well, actually, when I was governor the legislature passed a law raising the minimum wage. I vetoed it. … And I said, "Look, the way to deal with the minimum wage is this. On a regular basis," I said in the proposal I made, "every two years we should look at the minimum wage, we should look at what's happened to inflation. We should also look at the jobs level throughout the country, unemployment rate, competitive rates in other states or, in this case, other nations." So, certainly, the level of inflation is something you should look at and you should identify what's the right way to keep America competitive. … Yeah, so that would tell you that right now there's probably not a need to raise the minimum wage. Car Mileage Double-talk The president claimed that "we have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas" — which isn't remotely close to being true right now. In fact, according to the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute, the average EPA city/highway sticker mileage of light duty vehicles sold last month was 24.5 miles per gallon. That's quite good — a record, in fact. And it's 17 percent better than the 21.0 mpg for vehicles sold four years earlier, in the month Obama took office. That's an impressive gain, but it's a far cry from having "doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas." Obama was referring to his administration's actions for raising future federal fuel efficiency standards, which call for cars and light trucks to achieve 54.5 mpg by the model year 2025. But it remains to be seen whether automakers can produce — and consumers will buy — vehicles that achieve such a doubling of average mileage a dozen years from now. Health Care Costs Obama said the federal health care law was "helping" to reduce the growth of health care costs. It may be helping, but the slower growth of health care spending began before the law was enacted. And experts say the down economy has played a role. It's not clear how much impact the federal law has had. Obama: Already, the Affordable Care Act is helping to slow the growth of health care costs. From 2009 to 2011, the growth in national health care spending was at its lowest rate in 50-plus years, the entire time the National Health Expenditure Accounts reports have been published by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. Spending grew by 3.9 percent each year for 2009, 2010 and 2011. (The growth in 2008 was 4.7 percent, and 2007′s was 6.2 percent, with higher growth for years previous — see Table 3.) But the Affordable Care Act wasn't signed into law until 2010, after the recent slowing began. And the bulk of the law, including the individual mandate and federal subsidies to help Americans buy insurance, has yet to take effect. Experts have mainly blamed the economic slowdown for a corresponding reduction in health care spending. Economists and statisticians at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services reported in 2011: "Job losses caused many people to lose employer-sponsored health insurance and, in some cases, to forgo health-care services they could not afford." The New York Times reported this week that the slower growth meant lower deficits, as federal spending also eased. The Congressional Budget Office reduced its projected Medicare and Medicaid spending for 2020 by 15 percent. The federal health care law may be affecting spending, but it's unclear how much. As the Times said, "Health experts say they do not yet fully understand what is driving the lower spending trajectory." The economy is part of the reason, said CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf. But the way doctors and hospitals deliver care may be another. New York Times, Feb. 11: Some insurers have moved away from simply paying per procedure by giving health care providers financial incentives to reduce complications and rehospitalizations, for instance. Doctors, nurses and hospitals have also taken steps to reduce wasteful treatments. Many of the changes predate the 2010 health care overhaul, but the law has also contributed to the changes by offering some financial incentives, health care experts say. So the health care law gets some credit. It's "helping" to slow the growth of costs, as Obama said. But the reduced growth began before the law was enacted and is due to forces — such as the economy — beyond the control of the legislation. Puffing Up Renewable Energy Obama said wind and solar energy have doubled. True, but they're still a very small percentage of energy production and consumption in the U.S. Obama: We have doubled … the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar. We looked at this claim when Obama made it several times on the presidential campaign trail last fall. We found that wind and solar energy generation had doubled from 2008 to 2011. Consumption for wind also doubled, and it nearly doubled for solar. But wind and solar were very small portions of energy generated before — and even after — that increase. Wind was 13 percent of all renewable energy generated in 2011. (Renewable includes biomass, such as ethanol, and hydro.) Solar was 1.3 percent of renewable energy generated. Renewable energy altogether accounted for just 9 percent of U.S. energy consumption in 2011. Frank V. Maisano, an energy expert at the law firm Bracewell & Giuliani, told us: "Making large increases in wind power or solar power is not as big a challenge, let's say, as making a 50 percent increase in natural gas. … You have to put it into context Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I KNOW I shouldn't say this but we sure have a super strong team to beat the old Georgia POPS record.

Or cause anyone here a moment to pause and think about out of hand this debate has gotten BTW Zimmerman which at one time was the rage here.....nothing. In a month dz.com 15-20 posters will be screaming about something else. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

This was a fast search using BING 31,177 shooting deaths total 19,700 suicides 607 police shootings 59 police officers shot 680 accidental shootings (2008) 10,131 Total after subtractions I couldn’t find any numbers that made sense on gang on gang killings – thugs killing thugs – but it would seem from what I did find that would be well over 1,000 nationwide. Is that an acceptable number? I don’t know. But we lose: 25,000 people to drinking and driving 19,565 to slip and fall accidents +43,000 car accidents (total) NO this does not mean we should ignore gun deaths – certainly 680 people getting killed a year accidentally is terrible. But at some point you accept that a right has a risk. (The right to bear arms) that sensationalism is alive and well on the right and the left – and the press. That common sense changes (IMO complete back ground checks and a national data base of people that can’t have guns) at best will save very few people compared to getting the drunks off the road. PLEASE spare me that "how would you feel if your child was one of the 10,000 or thugs have mothers to. My post primarily is to show that there are so many other issues that also need attention. That the passion here on both sides can be extreme. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Here's an idea, have places that sale guns and do the back ground checks now do it. A fee would be charged of course but it would bring traffic in to the store..... I realize there are places w/o gun shops...but there's a decent idea in that.... Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Yep, I agree. So does social security. Bottom line we cannot tax our way out of this. We have to cut EVERYTHING. We have to raise taxes and cut loop holes. If we came up with a reasonable plan, put it in place and left it alone I believe the markets would respond favorably. The BEST way to fix this is to grow our tax base (not just raise taxes). The dumb asses in Washington - both sides will never come up with the plan. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Slotting the Georgia POPs record.... this is going to be a good one. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little