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Yea we aren’t likely to get Cooper’s DNA readout. I remember years ago hearing that they had 9 loci, but it was told to me with the caveat that I could not chat about it. So some of you guys had some good inside info, which is a good thing. The DNA thing has always fascinated me, both from a Cooper standpoint and from personal family research. I’ve had my DNA uploaded for a while, and that gives one a whole new insight into how people are related. The Golden State Killer case went back to 4th cousins (I’ve read 3rd too). They had 1,000 people to look at. Even if those 1,000 were still alive, that’s 1,000 out of 350 million in the US. The chances of DNA matching or two people being related is very very low. So when there is a DNA match, it is pretty foolproof.

The most recent release Part 77. Page 263-264 on the PDF, lower right corner says DB Cooper-33623

Yea, that's my concern, that the DNA is not really Cooper's. However, if it is his, then the odds of someone's partial profile matching this partial profile are astronomically low, so if someone was ruled in, there's a good shot he could be Cooper. I checked my notes and I was tracking 13 STR locations for CODIS. I also read that they can go up to 22 locations. But even with the 9 locations they have for "Cooper" that would narrow the field down a lot. But at this point I think you'd need to exhume a body or find something of theirs still in storage. The FBI won't be doing this.

Wow. This is news to me. I'm guessing it is off the tie.

"canonical five" is that Tina, Flo, Alice, Mitchell and ????

10 missing interviews? As in those passengers were interviewed and we just don't have those yet, or are those additional interviews with the passengers already interviewed once?

Interesting that they actually posted a DNA profile of a suspect. This is not the DNA process used for an Ancestry.com though. I'd be curious what their Cooper profile looks like and if all these locations have data for Cooper too. This shows 9 locations. I'd have to dust off my DNA notes, but I think the standard was 13 locations. Georger might be able to comment some. If they were ruling someone out, then they must have this below info for Cooper.

I'm guessing that someone in the FBI is reading the forums. This latest release as the Shelton lead, EHS, a blurb on Sheridan Peterson, DNA stuff, etc. I still need to read through the rest. EDIT: Duane Weber DNA tested too.

How did the Reca team find this Jeff guy, or did Jeff come to them?

I'll need to either mute Slim King or check this site every ten minutes. I step away for a bit and come back to pages of updates. Ok, so the TiSB is the same stub or item number for both suspects. You guys are just interpreting them differently, or interpreting them the same way, but with different conclusions on suspects?

I don't have the Excel file handy. I was particularly interested in the Zirconium and partially interested in the Silver and Tin. Is that further down the column? As I remember each stub had something like 30-40 particles listed. Are the Vordahl stubs the same as the Petersen ones or different? Eric was talking salt, which I'm guessing is Na. Where is that on these stubs (674 and 675)?

No one has Eric's particles listed or the location the McCrone report???

Are the Vordahl elements and the Petersen elements the same part #s on the McCrone sheets? I've got all of those on separate tabs and was hoping someone could point me to who is using which ones. The Crucible patent calls for Zirconium, Silver, Tin, and Aluminum along with the Titanium and Antimony that Petersen would have been in contact with. Are all those found together? I'm trying to understand what Zirconium is used for. I feel comfortable analyzing quite a bit of subjects, but mettalurgy is one of those areas I'd feel more comfortable talking to a PhD about. But figure for laymans terms, someone on this group can probably get us in the right area. It is all very interesting and I was going to chat with Tom Kaye, but on Citizen Sleuths he says "This data is complicated to look at. Please do not email asking how to interpret it." For full disclosure, I wrote on my blog a number of years ago that I was skeptical of the Titanium being from some Top Secret area of research, given that Titanium was in such demand that we had to import it from the Russians during the Cold War.

Thanks. It sounds like he is repeating what Tina told him versus actually seeing the matchbooks in the cockpit. When I was watching the whole video, he said that Cooper said "McChord is 20 miles from here." I've seen 20 miles, 20 minutes. I guess we won't know for sure what he said.

There was some discussion at CooperCon about the matchbooks and that Rataczak had seen them in the cockpit. He may have said this during one of his interviews? Anyone know which one? OleMiss it may have been you that brought it up.

There is some blocked out information on a number of documents, done by someone recently. His service number and address are not hidden, so I'm not certain what they blocked out. I don't think anyone questioned his skydiving skills. The questions came up about his military service and CIA stuff, and of course the Cooper hijacking. It may all be moot in that I saw a Facebook post that Cooper may have contacted the IRA to launder his money, and they used it to buy weapons. I had thought it was Colonel Mustard with the candlestick in the study.

Yea, that threw me off. I'm not sure exactly what is going on there. I do see that Reca/Peca did not seem to advance that far in rank, even in wartime. My guess is that he got himself in trouble, more than once. That does mix with what we know about his background. Lisa (his niece) posted some of these docs on Facebook. She did acknowledge that the CIA thing may be a little far fetched. Those docs did have a certificate of graduation from the Army Airborne school, and a pic of Reca with his jump wings on. The previous pictures may simply have been before he got his wings. What was not in those files is a DD214, which is a record of discharge and lists information regarding his overseas service, awards, etc. It is not a comprehensive list of everything he did, but it tells a lot. Back in the 1950s it may have had a different name. I would like to see if he did make it over to Korea during the war, and how long he actually served in Airborne units. Based off the insignia in one of the photos, it looks like he was Infantry. Given that his first discharge was in 1954, he falls into the over 63 years from discharge, and therefore anyone can get his military records. However, if they count his National Guard time and Air Force Reserve time in that calculation, they may not provide the information. My initial assessment is that Reca served a few years in the Army, jumped out of planes, then left the service, went into the Air Force Reserve, was activated for a month or so, then went back to weekend duty. He would have had the skills to jump out of a 727, and the balls. However, nothing in his background indicates that he was CIA or a secret agent, etc. He was a storyteller, and it sounds like he was a good one. He's a guy I'd like to have had a beer with, but with his blue eyes and stories, I don't see him as Cooper.

Is the “piercing brown eyes” in there or is it in a different part of the book?

Snip from Edward’s book summarizes things. 1/4 way down. There are more nuances in the 302s but I have not consolidated those all yet.

I would expect to see jump wings on that uniform. He has a patch and other insignia. It’s not an overcoat, it’s a uniform jacket. The overcoat would not have wings. He does have the jump boots though. Bottom line is that his background is suspicious. He’s a proven crook and it seems like he is a liar. No one would care, but he is claiming to be Cooper.

I’ve looked all those places. This picture tells me very little, and I know what to look for. On his grave the word Veteran is misspelled. Do you have someone with military service who has reviewed his files? I’m not asking for the actual originals. The Army keeps those. Copies.

Some comments. Someone born in 1920 is a lot less likely to have mixed heritage than someone born in the 40s to today. The Native American piece is interesting, in that I can’t think of a time when I confused a Native American for someone Latin. The eyes are what get me though for NA, the dark brown eyes. Remember, people from Latin America are heavily descended from the Spanish and Portuguese. Columbus was Italian. There is an FBI document that suggests possibly Italian, Catholic too. I don’t know how we can dismiss Gregory. I also wonder why Mitchell did not see dark or olive. However, enough people did. Swarthy for me conjures up memories of my friend’s Greek or Italian fathers. I’m from the Northeast, which is very mixed in terms of Europeans. If I was looking for Cooper, I would not be looking in Scandinavia or in Ireland/Scotland. This I’ve said long before Vordahl and Vince Peterson. I’ve visited Scandinavia many times, and frankly you see pale and light hair and skin. There are always outliers, yes, but the majority of people up there would not pass for Cooper. We went through this all with Sheridan. I might buy Finnish, but then I’d expect to see some distinct Finnish features, which I don’t. The Finns I’ve known have been mostly light, but darker than Scandinavians. The sketch does not say NA to me at all. It was and is a small group of people who didn’t really marry outside of their own at that point. But one witness did say it. Cooper may be a blonde hair Dane, but my guess is we are looking for someone of Eastern/Southern/Western European descent. Not Northern Germany. I’d start on the Mediterranean Sea and work around that. I study a lot of genealogy. Many ethnic groups in Europe came to the U.S., not from Italy to Norway or from Spain to Ireland. This was one of the main issues with Sheridan. The witnesses said olive, swarthy, Latin, Native American. Medium. Smooth. Dark. Etc. When we are dealing with this, color pictures are preferable. Hard to get, but necessary. High quality black and white maybe.

Right. It’s very difficult for Americans to learn the Asian or Arabic languages, and actually the Slavic/Eastern European languages too unless they have the ancestry. Much more common to see an American proficient in a Romance or Germanic language. Not all of the above like Reca claims. Also, wouldn’t you think someone with those skills might look for a white collar job as an interpreter or linguist and not one in welding or construction? Maybe he just didn’t want an office job. Hopefully the Reca team can release his official military files so we can corroborate some info. But I bet because he was CIA that most of what he did won’t be in the files. Like the assassination in The Netherlands.

He spoke all those languages? Any proof? Any recordings? I come from a family of linguists. I’ve studied some languages but not to the extent real linguists have. So many people claim proficiency in a language, even today. Just look at LinkedIn. The same people claim to be CEOs of companies, but these companies have three people. It’s very easy to fake these things, especially when they have friends telling them how good they are. Do Reca’s military files show language proficiency? These files should. Any other examples of him using those languages? Maybe his parents spoke some, but that does not make him proficient. His whole story is too good to be true. I read this book many years ago and was very surprised to see how many famous people had faked their backgrounds. It seemed that most of them had military service, but they embellished things and added to their story. I’m not sure who is worse, Reca for lying, or the Reca group for believing him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor

Slim King: Do you have Reca’s military records? Official records?