Ron

No.... One time I picked up a hitch hiker. Went and found him a job and rented him a small place for a week. He never showed to work, and left the room a mess filled with bottles. There is a large scam group here in Tampa where a bunch of "Homeless" all pool their money. They actually make out quite well. I have offored to let a man cut my grass for money...He told me to fuck off. So No. I give to charities...but never cash to a bum. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I would tell DZ "A" to pound sand up their asses. I am a CUSTOMER, not an employee. Plus, even if I was an employee...Unless I am full time I have the right to work other places. Like I said...if true...fuck em. I would also post the DZ name (Even though it would not be hard to find out who it is.) "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Around jump number 150....I wore weight for the first time. I took out, not ONE, but TWO 8 way skydives. After the first one they didn't want to jump with me again, but a buddy got them to give me a second chance.... When I hit them the second time it soulded like a bowling alley. Add weight SLOWLY....and on SMALLER dives. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Gee, you are so smart...and yet still so stupid. A theory with out experimentation is nothing...EXPERiment ...EXPERience. You can read all day, but that is not going to make it so you can handle a mal. Then with all your brains...and you must be smart...you use 10 dollar words when 2 dollar ones will do...You like the idea of being smart don't you? You can't accept the fact that in a SPORT it is EXPERIENCE that will let you survive. And no amount of knowledge will let you perform or know more than the guy with experience...But of course braniacs lie you with no EXPERIENCE will not admit that they are not as prepared to make a good choice...It would kill you to assume that you don't know enough. Hey lets say your Mom wanted to do a tandem....Would you rather her go with me, a guy with 3300 jumps and a tandem rating, or would you just strap her on to your 100 jump self? I mean how hard can a tandem be right? You are smart enough to understand all the complex situations that could happen...And I bet you are smart enough that you could crunch some numbers and tell me what % of each type of mal, and what the ripping point of the reserve canopy will be ona terminal deployment... All that brains, and still you can't do it. It would prove that you don't know squat past theories. And you can't put into action any of your ideas cause you don't have the skills. I'm done with you...You think that a PhD is better than experience.... Its clear your ego will not let you accept the fact that you don't know it all. Have fun. ...Anyone know why I bother wasting my time with "know it alls"? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Perhaps you will realize that lab tests don't always work ihn the real world.... I hope you live long enough to learn from the people with experience...so you don't have to experience it all yourself...chances are you will not live long enough if you want to experience it all yourself. BTW I value theory....But I TRUST experience....Remember you braniacs swore the earth was flat...It too a guy actually sailing around to prove it was not. I guess since you are smarter than me then you should be able to skydive better than me huh? Anytime, anyplace you want to compete your "knowledge" vs my "experience" bring it on. If you are so smart I suspect you will beat me at the nationals this year? Its not hard...But you need to open your eyes to the problem, not hide and just keep asking for more "data"...Cause "data" in this case is broken and killed people. Yes, and so far you have proven NOTHING. I tel ya what, you compete against me in a skydiving event and beat me....Then I trust brains over experince...Until then you are just another smart guy that thinks he knows it all. If you are so smart, and experience does not matter...then why do you have to have EXPERIENCE to get an AFF rating, and not just a high IQ? Why is it that the tandem course has practical tests, and not just a written test? Its cause experience will kick the shit out of a low time smart ass every time..... You are the low time smart ass. Any questions? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep...i have survived several really good fuckups. I want people to learn from my mistakes so they don't have to risk getting killed to learn the same lessons "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And yet they are here. so what should we do? Just watch em bounce? Nope, I am trying to reach the hotshot know it alls...People will always screw up...But I would rather they screw up and not die. Bullshit, I can land a 90 straight in without gaining speed....Besides who said you could not swoop it in? Bills list of stuff is not swooping...Besides if it is a swooping test...Now you have to have swoopers give it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Team Mojo will be at the tunnel July 3,4,5,6 to team train. We are looking for people to share time with. There will be limited free coaching during this time. (We are training ourselves, but we will try to help out). We are looking to sell 30 min per night. PM me for details. Ron "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Would you let a guy do a solo jump from 10 grand without an AAD as his first jump? Personal freedom is great, but nothing is wrong with tempering that with guidance. And what do you do with the people who DONT see the dangers? And DON'T listen? My plan covered all of that..A Normal progression for those who can't or don't want to push it, and a test that will allow those who have the desire to learn AND the skills needed to do it safely. Like it or not tha fact that a guy has 1,000 jumps means he DOES have more experience than a guy with 500. While a jump number chart might be short sited...It does work alond with conventional wisdom...I myself would not upport it unless it had a way to test out. I'm all about the young hotshots PROVING they can handle the cool canopies before they can get them... Show me a better program and I'll support it... Remember not everyone wants to hook turn, so you can't use hook turn performance as a guide...And not everyone wants to land with rear risers, carve throuh gates, rip up a pond...So the program HAS to be able to be done BY EVERYONE....The PRO rating program does that. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep and he claimed to have them. All a poll does is say what is POPULAR...Not what is right. And I bet several polls a year ago said we should have gone. Hindsite is 20/20....People are sick of the war...even those that were FOR it a year ago. A poll just says what is popluar NOW.... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh, it gets better.... Around jump # 370 I downsized from a Raven II to a Stiletto 120...I hooked that fucker in on my 3rd jump on it. I had jumped several other canopies first, including a ST97, but I really did go from owning a 220 sq ft 7 cell F-111 to a 1.4 loaded Stiletto 120. And like I said I hooked that fucker right in. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But Bill...They were not supposed to have ANY remember? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Around jump # 40 I was in a 4way...I floated bad....So I quite skydiving on that jump and did freestyle... Man was that stupid. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

GWB went after him..Clinotn did NOTHING about him. If Clinton had done his job 9/11 would not have happend. As for GWB not getting OBL..Give it time. At least he is DOING something about OBL. Edit to add: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The key being the word APPARENTLY.....I can make you think I am going to surender and have you flat out fucked up in about three seconds. The thing you don't see is the guys hands....Where were they? What was he doing? Can you hear if he is COMPLYING with police orders? If I have a KNOWN criminal who has clearly tried to avoid being arrested and he is not obeying police orders...I don't mind him being hit. Now if he WAS obeying orders then the guys that hit him were wrong as hell. However we will NEVER know the truth. We have one guy who is a CRIMINAL saying one thing, and a bunch of COPS saying another. Given the choice I'll listen to the cops...The ones NOT BREAKING the law. Plus the guy suffered no real damage. So while I would not forgive them for just beating a guy down.... I do realize that this guy IS A CRIMINAL. That he AVOIDED capture both in a car and on foot. And I don't know if he was obeying orders...I very much doubt it. And in this whole thing it is only ONE cop that hit him. So it seems only ONE cop MAY be a jackass..... But we don't know if the actions were warrented...And we never will. Since that one cop will be fired anyway. We don't want another 50 people KILLED in riots for a lowlife criminal getting hit now do we? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The guy was driving a STOLEN car...How did he get it? He was running from the cops The pursuit ended in the city of Compton, when the driver jumped out of the vehicle and fled. Why run if you are doing nothing wrong? So we have a guy driving around in a stolen car at 5 AM in the morning. He sees the police and instead of pulling over he tries to evade them. Then he jumps out of the STOLEN car and tries to run. I think its pretty safe to say that this guy is a CRIMINAL. Innocent till proven guilty over here....Driving a STOLEN car, running from the cops, then trying to run away from the STOLEN car.... He is guilty.... Im not such a pansy that I care that much about a proven CRIMINAL. Don't want to get harassed by the cops? Don't fucking steal shit and then try to run from the cops. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In keeping with on of Bills threads....I thought I would post a few of my really stupid things I have done. Learn from them...Make fun of them....I don't care. Most on here think of me as a saftey nazi...there is a reason for this...I survived my dumb mistakes and have seen others make the same mistake and not live to learn from them. 1. Around jump #34 I climed out to float on a Queen air with my chest strap undone....A guy inside saw it and pulled me back in. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Hell Carl would just hit you...Hard "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Dude you seem to be a smart guy...but here is where you show that you don't know anything about the "Real" world. If my rigger says that my legstraps need to be replaced, and your microscope says its good....I'm gonna ignore your microscope and go with the rigger. You and Kallend should come up with a good idea, or shut up about it. Both of you seem to want more info...That means you both want more death before you make a choice. You have all kinds of experienced people telling you about the problem and you just prefer to shoot holes in any solution offored instead of come up with one. Again you show your lack of understanding of skydiving in the "real" world. HP canopies with little experience is bad. How hard is that to understand? Male or female does not matter, age does not matter. The proposed solution will cover ALL jumpers of every sex and age. I think that more kids are killed in DUI's than 30 year olds...But its aganst the law for BOTH 18 year olds and 30 year olds. Welcome to the real world. If you want "perfect"...stay in a lab. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

agreed...Lets not forget the guy is a CRIMINAL. Oh you mean riots from a bunch of lawful citizens? Beating an innocent man in a truck? What if the guy DID resist arrest? Its a shame we still have jackasses stealing cars. I never got this...Cause some cops beat a known criminal....You guys went nuts and KILLED 55 people? Animals. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe no one has yelled at you since you listen to the advice when given? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thanks I found a Lotus that was about the same deal...I am trying to show boththe positive and negative of each type....Going really fast in an electric is positive...Only getting 70 miles is not. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I got the price info from www.honda.com I used the lowest price of both cars, hybrid and standard. I don't know the trim of the hybrid low line....But for the issue of economics...It does not matter. If you are buying a car to save money...You would do better to get a traditional cheeper car. But I will look into the trim models. I didn't see any traditional Civics over 16,860.00 on the website. Thanks...besides its just for school (don't let Kallend hear that) "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You didn't think a bunch of Brainiacs were gonna do good did you? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I find it funny that people CARE. All you get is a neat membership card and a newsletter. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334