Ron

Um it started under CLINTON, and it was caught under Bush... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I was a lot like him...But not so much with canopies...I liked to pull low. I'm amazed I am still here...It took two BIG guys at the DZ to walk up to me after a low pull (Like 700 feet or so) and ask me, "You have a problem deploying?" After I told them no...They told me, "Oh, OK....If we see you do that again...We are going to kick your ass...OK? And if you pull low and bounce...Well we are going to piss on your body while it is still warm....Have a nice jump". I got a Stiletto 120 at 1.4 with 370 jumps. I wanted a 97...But that was 10 years ago and that required me lying to John Leblanc at PD to get the 120 out of PD. Of course everyone told me I was going to hook it in...I hooked that fucker in on jump #3 on it. Gee they were right, and I was wrong....Who would have thought? Oh thats right they KNEW I was going to fuck up, Only I thought I would be ok. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So far the ways we have to reach people is: 1. They get enough jumps to realize they don't know it all. 2. They see someone get hurt. 3. They get hurt. 4. They almost die. Others? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

show up on Friday NIGHT with a case of beer, not Sat morrning... Sorry just thought I would point that little bit out. Could be bad the other way. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

what made it change? For me it was almost getting killed by a fast moving planet. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I was not sure that was you...And most of the time you looked kinda busy fighting off all the guys. And, how was I to know you wanted to meet me? I mean I'm not so full of myself that I think everyone wants to meet me. Some are quite happy to never meet me....And I am sure some wish they never met me (Line forms over there folks). So, I was not going to just assume everyone wants to meet me. Plus there are two types of DZ.commers. 1. The ones that like me. 2. The ones that chip in for the hitman. Either way not many on here know what I look like, and that makes the hitman harder to hire. So next time we cross paths I'll buy you a beer. Ron "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The funny thing is I remember these arguments with you..... You have gotten TONS more experience since then...And I have noticed your attitude has changed...Have you noticed it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK so what is the skydiving equivalent to taking a students ego down a few notches? You can't hit them...It would serve nothing. Black listing is an option...But that tends to push people away instead of making them listen. So how can you get a know it all to listen? So far I just try to warn them, thell them they are fucking up, then when they don't listen I wiat till: A. They get hurt...At which point I bring up the fact we all knew they were gonna get hurt. B. Get enough jumps that the start to agree they were stupid. Both take time, and one requires pain. So, really what can someone do to get people to listen? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

you mean Clintons 8 years didn't fix it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have done a lot of other sports and activities...But this one seems more prone to it. 1. I know its a high risk/high reward sport. 2. I know that once people get comfertable with it and start pushing it it is easy to think of yourself as an expert...This is more so since like another poster said that even an "A" licensed jumper is better than 99% of the population. But my question that seems specific to this sport is why people don't listen to guys with much more experience? Kris had a good point about slamming a student that refuses to listen in martial arts training. I did it when I taught years ago.....So what is the skydiving equivalent to poping a "know it all " upside the head? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well I knew it was not you pissing people off... But daskal has not said anything for like 2 pages. Why don't people learn? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'll be there starting the 13th to the 20th jumping with Mojo..... I'll be easy to spot..I'm the one guy on Mojo who is not ultra laid back. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You get those shirts yet...I sent them yesterday...Yeah I know I suck. But they are going FedEx "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Who is Brian... the only guy that has really been pissing folks off (Other than me of course) is this tcnelson guy. Read his stuff and please tell us what you think. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

YES!!! You sign right? I saw you during the 121 ways in Zhills. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I know I'll start a shit storm with this, but I have to ask. What is it with jumpers with 100-300 jumps that makes some of them think they know it all? I know that skydiving is an amazing sport that can bring confidence to you, but how do a few get big heads so quickly? It reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where Dogbert speed reads self-help books. Most of the really good jumpers I know might be a little cocky at times, but they all listen. What makes a new jumper 1-2 years in the sport and 100-300 jumps suddenly think he knows more than people with more jumps and more time? Flame away... For reasons I ask go Here and Here "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How YOU doin? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You said show mw and I did. without the RSL it would not have happened. You asked, I showed you. You don't have to accept it, but they did contribute or even cause these deaths. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well come on, it could not last forever....It would have been a sure sign of the end of the world. We will always have Jun 11, 2004, 7:11 AM. Yes, some were ugly, but he had QUANTITY if not QUALITY. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

?!?!?!?!? Next you are gonna tell me the Devil Rays have a shot at the Wold Series? Is this "Fuck with Ron's Mind" day? Help...I'm confused....I fell a sense of warmth and openness. Is the world ending? Hell, in this new state of openess...I'll give it a shot. I liked Clintons...... I liked Clintons...... Damn this is hard, I liked Clintons....Hair....Yeah, he had nice hair. Oh...He was good with women...Got to respect that. Some of his economic policies were ok. I have to go...I feel dizzy. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh look you and I don't agree? Wheres that "No fuck, ya got to be kidding me" icon? He was better than all since him, and better than quite a few that were before him. But I of course don't expect you to agree. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then you are increadably stupid. Good...you will live longer, and we don't have to deal with your ego. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He was born poor. Worked his way through school, and supported his parents. He was a very good speaker. Charismatic as hell, and knew how to work a crowd. He tried many times to not have party lines....He tried to get both sides to work for the good of America...Something no one has done since. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/analysis/toons/2004/06/08/lang/index.html As with anything a person does there are two sides. He fired the ATC guys...After they went on strike illegally...And after he warned them he would. I applaud him for that. He did turn the economy around...Yes it had other effects. But I think the economy going south was worse than national debt....If no one has any money to pay the debt who cares how big it is? He fixed the military....Clinton then destroyed it again. His "Just say No" program was not perfect, but it was a start...Very few large problems get fixed with the first solution. He at least raised it to a national spot light. Without that program...we would not be as far along as we are...Or more likely we would be in a worse state now. He did help bankrupt the Soviet Union.....And that meant that our great enemy was gone. (Thats both good and bad). He took steps to end the cold war...and they worked. We no longer had to live in fear of two giant superpowers destroying the world. The wall fell. He was a poor man that worked hard and ended up being the most powerful man in the world...A while there he did good things. He and Nacy's relationship was amazing. A model to aim for. He was a man that had a good personal history...A man you could be proud of to have as a leader. Both Bush and Clinton fell short. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Here ya go..... There are more. I know of a student in FL that died from an RSL...I can't find the lik to it however. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And I never say this.....But you deserve it. You act like such a skygod. A legend in your own mind. I only hope you get to BE an old skydiver. My offer still stands....I will swoop against you anytime kid. I have more bad hook turns...than you have jumps. You want to impress me???? Survive long enough to get 3,000 jumps without breaking anything. Im done here...It's clear you think you already know it all....Just like a teenager. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334