Ron

I'll be training this weekend....But I did work on it last night....Will that count? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They have publicly kept quiet about it and NONE of the SB they have released cover it. From your own PSB#20031203: A system that would total if used is NOT putting anyone in harms way? The only fix to that total is to perform an emergency procedure that NO ONE would of thought of while they were still at terminal. Now I like RWS, and it was ONE incident. But this is an example of why I like RWS..They had an issue and they jumped on it FAST. They didn't try and hide anything and were very forth comming with any information. I don't feel that same level of attention has come from Vigil...It took SEVERAL occurances for them to admit to a problem, one answer was really bad (Terry pinching a cable?), they have still not disscussed the in air fire in DeLand, the PSB they released had a really stupid suggestion of putting the unit in a SL rig but bypassing the loop around the cutter thereby making the whole thing useless. See the difference? RWS acted fast...Vigil did not Now I do understand that RWS can take a small publicity hit where a new company can't, but saftey was compromised while Vigil waited. I really hope that Vigil can recover from this. A second AAD on the market with quality features will only help the skydivers, but to blindly accept that it is safe with the problems they have had is foolish at best. Like I said I have nothing against them...But I also have no loyalty TO them either...My only concern is saftey. Right now I have my doubts that they are safe and nothing would make me happier in this case to be wrong. If you want to continue this in person I will be in DeLand Sat-Tue 7/3-7/6 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I know of more Vigil fires that CYPRES fires...One year vs 12. Easy math. No I ask questions...bashing is different. I know of FOUR Vigils that hav had ground fires and ONE in air fire that the company is ignoring and will not respond to questions about. Also you can put a Vigil in a rig with a SL but only if the loop des not go through the cutter? What kind of BS is that? And last I checked its a free country and I can have opinons all day long....Cool huh? The company has refused to talk about the DeLand fire so far...next great idea? I disagree. You don't have to agree cool country huh? The Nova was really popular also...for a while. Oh I agree....Competition is good, but RELIABILITY is better. Vigil has yet to prove to be reliable. They have had some serious issues and ignored some incidents (In air fire in DeLand at 3 grand), had some really bad answers to others (Terry didn't replace the battery correctly), and some really stupid sugestions (You can put it into a rig with a SL but not so that it would work). The Vigil has a long road ahead of it to be considered, in my eyes at least, as equal to the CYPRES. Oh, and I do agree the Sigma is the standard in saftey...And I feel that way about MOST of RWS products..But even a few of the early Skyhooks were built wrong correct? Does that mean that the Skyhook or a Vigil is bad? Nope, but it does mean that new products have new problems and you would be foolish to think otherwise. New products have a way of killing people. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You also were taught a SDC....Plus and I think this is the bigger thing, you have a pilots license AND a glider rating. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I know of ONE CYPRES fire that was not low in 12 years... I know of 3 Vigil fires in less than a year. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No tend to bring to light BS when I see it...And you claiming that you had a good canopy control record is BS...You were kicked off TWO DZ's.. So much for your good canopy control. People....If you are going to take advice or opinions from someone...make sure they were not considered DANGEROUS under canopy before you take canopy advice from them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And had line twists that didn't clear till 900 feet and ended up not being able to set up for a good landing and ended up landing near a plane that prompted you to get kicked off a DZ? That easy to fly elliptical? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Do a search.....Its on here...I was stupid. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yeah it says buy a CYPRES Then how could they "fix" the problem? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The best advice I ever heard about jumping a camera... "You should be able to do anymove without thinking about it, and feel comfertable in regular freefall before you even think about adding the stress of jumping a camera, or getting the shot." Getting the shot almost killed me on jump # 280. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah, but since you agree with him, then him calling me a lemming is NOT a personal attack? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Cause when you glamorize it you encourage others to do stupid stuff "As long as its cool" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are arguing to be a pain in the neck...Call the USPA and ask them. Container opening...Well I guess that means I could just reach back and flip the little cover flap on my rig as I pass by 2 grand and I could pull my main at 500 feet legaly then huh?....I mena I OPENED my container. Like I said call the USPA "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He was at a USPA DZ...So he is either a member, or the DZ violated it's GM pledge. So I guess it was a good idea? What if he burned it...would it still been a good idea? Stupid shit like that is what is going to bring the FAA down on us. "Lets see, he had a good canopy, but he cut it away at 300 feet to show off?" The Advertisment would have been just as effective if he had done it at 3 grand..."Did you see how fast that opened?" Or if he had dropped a dummy with a skyhook and not risked his life. Airtec used ot do it WITH A DUMMY....It was cool AND safe. The USPA. The jumpers at the DZ that could have watch a guy burn in for no reason at all. Just casue its cool does not mean it was not stupid. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

When you plan on cutting away the first canopy the second becomes your main. Its the canopy you plan on LANDING that counts. Call the USPA or FAA and get their take on it. It was stupid, AND against the BSR's. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

When you don't plan on useing the 1st canopy to land and plan on cutting it away the 2nd canopy becomes the main. Still in violation. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Reference this post... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1137643#1137643 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It was a PLANNED deployment. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Not so good...I have some issues with my Diabeties and what it is doing to my kidneys.... I have been in for: Emergency room visit in Nov...I was pissing blood and it felt like I was being stabbed in the back. An ultra sound. Two Cat scans. 6 doc visits. Total cost to me...........20.00 a mth. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I left the WMD's out casue I didnt' want people to think I was talking about the reason that GWB sent us in...There were other reasons... I did accidently forget the attacking 4 countries in that part, but I did bring it up somewhere else in that post. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You mean like the BIC that is gone now? Down dumming the AFFCC? The ISP that no one has to follow? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You see me pointing out he is a Hypocrite as a personal attack? But him calling em a Lemming was not? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

WL is not everything, but it is a start. Planform is important, but size equals speed at which things happen. A newbie is safer under a Sabre 1 150 than a Stiletto 150, or a Velocity (If it was made) 150. However a newbie is not safe under a Sabre 1 97 or any other 97. You could take planform into account, but then you have to get the USPA to agree on classes and what fits into each class. A Specter is elliptical... A Velocity is less. So how would you put what into what class? And then what about new canopies on the market? Who could jump them till they are Approved, and who would approve them? The W/L thing is easy to understand. A newbie is safer under a 1.1 loaded Specter, Stiletto, Sabre, Jedei 170 than a 1.5 loaded Specter, Stiletto, Sabre, Velocity 120. And you don't need to classify the TYPES of canopies..WL is WL. The USPA has already show no interest in doing anything...And if they have to do MORE they will want to do anything even LESS. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The DZO should grow up. If a DZO made me choose...trust me he would lose..Hell I have had GF tell me "Its your friends or me"....I still have my friends. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Stupid close? In violation of BSR's close? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334