Ron

Again, you don't know me...So I would hope you quit putting words into my mouth. I do find it funny YOUR candidate seems to be against all of YOUR beliefs. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And yet you think Kerrys plan to turn Americas health care into a socalistic system is a good idea? See folks...Thats funny people bitch about the VA (Even though they don't experience it themselves) but they want EVERYONE to have it that way. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I am pointing out how he claims to care about the unemployed, but not enough to stop by his job and vote on it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have shown facts...you refuse to see them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Gee the far left supporting Kerry??? Who would have thought? How about him being to busy to vote to help the unemployed? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It just goes to show Kerry's distain for the armed forces and the symbols of America. Next you are gonna tell me he threw his medals...Oh wait he did that already didn't he? Or did he? I can't keep that straight. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So you would rather just prosecute whoever you felt under whatever you felt instead of studying the problem first? I see, hit first, ask questions later. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So you are saying if he was there that he didn't care enough about the little guy to vote? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

To busy to showup and vote to protect the little guy? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So he does not support civil rights? Or he just does not want to pay for it...I mean its bad and all, but we don't think its worth money to fix it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I mean, a guy that dishonors his country after he came back from a war, one who would rather kill soldiers than allow a tax cut... I mean what do you expect? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have used your bitching about the issue and how bad it is as fuel. If you think the VA health care is so bad, how can you want the whole nation to be subject to it? I have had no problem. I do find it funny you bitch about it, but then claim it is the best thing for everyone if we become a socialist country. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh I see you value the press over personal experience (Which you have none). I see. Sorry to confuse you with facts. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wow, you sound like Clinton asking what the defination of "IS" is. Bush would have never been able to use force if Kerry and others had not voted to let him. Your canidate can't stay on one side of the topic, and neither can you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You and your canidate cry about "Complexities" and seeing each situation as seperate from others. So your crying about him doing something that no one else has done is mute. And unlike you, I AM a veteran. And I have had no issues with the VA. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Unlike you I have used the VA hosiptals...And I was served just fine. It has not slowed anything down that I can see. I guess you would rather have more expenses for the same amount of work? At least he sends them bullets. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Kerry voting against the 87 hurt the troops. The gun bill is a seperate issue. Kerry prefered that criminals not get punished for using certain types of bullets, and prefered not to let off duty cops carry, than protect gun shops from being sued out of business. Right the facts are right there. Hey stud, how about you not attempt to put words into my mouth huh? You don't know me that well, and I don't want some liberal trying to guess what I would say. Ya got that? Could it be cause its true? Your side uses the same type of tactics...Need I mention your side claims there were no WMD's...But voted to use force, and at one time said there WERE WMD's? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thats because this debate was on Iraq and the war on terror. Those topics you want to hear are covered in the third debate. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK my thoughts: Kerry came across very well. It is the first time he has said something that I think was well thought out, and actually said it well. His comment about being mistaken about how he TALKED about the war was good. His attack following it was good as well. The Major flaw I saw from Kerry was him harping on "The Summit". He kept saying that we need other countries in there. OK, I can see that. However, you can't expect countries to commit troops to die for a cause you claim is a "Grand Diversion" and "The wrong war, wrong time, wrong place". No leader in his right mind is gonna send his boys to die in a war that you claim is wrong or stupid. So that right there makes "The Summit" a really stupid idea that will not work. Also calling the countries already helping "the coalition of the coerced"..thats not likely to encourage others to join. Another problem from Kerry was how he said he wanted Bush to develop a coalition to handle Iraq. But he criticized Bush for getting a coalition to handle Korea. Kerry, are you for or against coalitions? You say we need them in one case to promote the unity of the world, then lambast Bush for doing it in Korea. Kerry defending his 87 billon vote OK. But I still say he traded American troops safety for killing a tax cut. Over all I feel a little better about Kerry. And he did come across well. The Domestic debate should be fun to watch...I want to see his plan for what I see as socialistic medicine. Bush was not as good as a speaker. Listening on NPR you could not see his face and the dead time he had on the radio was painful. However, when watching the debates he used facial expressions pretty well. But they were lost on the radio audience. I feel Bush came across as very sincere. I still believe that we have to be pro-active against Terror. However, Kerry said the same message (And while I don't believe him) and that let him gain ground on Bush in that area. Bush should not have leaned against the podium...It makes a speaker look week. I thought Bush handled the questions well, but he didn't have the new message that Kerry brought. So Bush's answers were easy to guess. Bush should have mentioned that Kerry was For a Iraq coalition, but against one for dealing with Korea....I wanted to slap him when he didn't take that chance. Also Bush had some issue with his mike. Issues from both sides. Kerry mentioned the 100,000 trained troops. He said that it was more like 50000 and some numbers agree. However, in the last 5-6 days 40,000 of the trainees were fired for a number of reasons. So the number of troops was around 90,000 a few days ago. Bush should have mentioned that and not used the 100,000 number. Kerry used the 230 Billion wasted in Iraq...Actual numbers are more in the 90 billion for Iraq right now. 115 Billion for the total war to include Afganistan. Bush should have called him on that. Over all, I think Kerry finaly found his voice and came across well. Bush still "Toe'd the line". Which is a good thing, but I think the audience liked Kerry's sudden flash better. Kerry will most likely get a bounce from this. However I still hope that content will win over flash. Anyway my thoughts, take them or leave them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In any war you have to take from the one left at home to provide for those at war. Bush does that, just as Presidents have done for hundreds of years, just as ALL Military leaders have done. You take from those at home to provide for those in danger. Kerry wants to provide for those at home while leaving the guys in danger with nothing. Thats bad leadership. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ar ya gonna be Op4? I wanted to do that. Looks like fun. Unconventional tactics, no uniform. Like I said, fun. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So was Kerry. "Go Fish" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And with Kerry's voting record, and with his long line of saying one thing, but doing another...I'll vote for Bush Thank God I live in a battle ground State so that it matters who I vote for "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

See I think our troops safety is more important than killing the tax cuts. But Kerry was willing to kill US GI's to kill that bill. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thank God then that Sr is not running huh? But the Flip/Flopper IS running. Even though you don't know what the Flip'/Flopper is going to do? I give you a hint...Same thing Bush is doing. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334