Ron

Of course I had a choice. Or it could have been how I was raised. The movies I watched, the way my parents acted, ect. They still made a choice. They made a choice to try and hide it, then they made a choice not to. Still choices. If I kill someone, can I calim it was in my nature therefore not my fault? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How about him attacking me calling me gay? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1293564#1293564 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You went to claim that I was born gay http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1293260#1293260 Which I take as a personal attack. Then you claim I was born GAY and chose another course http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1293342#1293342 Again I take that as a Personal attack. Then maybe you should not attack me? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You claimed that gays don't "recruit" I gave you my personal examples of two times I felt that they were trying. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You didn't beat me at my own game. I think people are born...Then they CHOOSE to be gay or straight. You want to claim that . . . Edited for personal attacks again "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You need to read it again...One lost friendship...A church counslor that I felt was preying on me. The fact that he was an adult, a leader in the church, and I thought my best friend. Made it so that friendship ended. The second guy is still a buddy, but not as close as we were...And yes that is keeping in method to females that are friends that hit on me that I am not interested in. In a way I am still kinda freeked by it. But it is the fact I don't think I can talk to him about my life anymore that made it so we are not still best friends. How can I talk to him about my Ex wife, my current GF, the people I date, my future with them? If I can not be open and honest with my friends....Then they are not my closest friends. This situation made it so I don't feel I can be open and honest with him. I have had the same thing happen with females. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sorry my answer was kind of a joke. I expect you to try and trap me...thats the kind of relationship we have. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are not attacking me? Funny sure seems like it. And BTW I lost one friend, the other did get kind of a down grade from close personal friend to "buddy". If you knew a guy that was a buddy of yours, and for 4 years he never hit on you. Then one day he set up a day, got you drunk and made a move. How would you feel? I tend not to have friendships with people I don't trust. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He was older..Like 20. Wanna hear the funny part? He was a youth counselor at church.... Yeah flat out lied to me. I asked him one day when I saw some pictures in his house of a guy. The kind of pictures I would have of my GF. He told me that they were of a buddy. In the course of the 4 years I knew the second guy he had plenty of opportunity to tell me. Fact is he lied until one night we were at his house and both VERY drunk. After he outted himself I saw the set up. I don't hold it against him, but my trust was broken....It is hard for me to be friends with a person I don't trust. Ever had a buddy hit on you? Did it change the relationship? did it change your friendship with them? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well they would have been wrong. Its the trust that the betrayed that lost them the friendship. Maybe they should be MORE honest and not try and hide it for years while they wait for the right time to make a move? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually I have had random gay guys hit on me....They don't bother me. Having two guys that I trusted like brothers suddenly tell me that they have had feelings for me that they have kept hidden...Well thats a breach of trust. THATS why I felt wierd around them. They lied to me for years. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your opinion. Some might say that it could have been a reverse reaction to his father trying to butch him up. But feel free to just assume you know more than the Dr's that are studying this. I don't know....I do have an opinon about it. Again feel free to think you know more than anyone else. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In a way yes. Don't get all pissy, you asked a question and I answered it...I felt they were trying to recruit me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, in fact I think you are neither born gay nor straight. I think it is a choice you make based on factors that influence you. Nice line of BS however. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

To bad they lied to me and hid their real intentions from me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

BS you are always trying to trap me, and you all judge me. And thats fine. I HAVE had females that Iw as not interested hit on me. It DID change the relationship with them also. Mainly since they were not happy to be around me after I rejected them. But, the major factor is I felt that they had been lying to me and keep it a secret while they were getting ready to make a move. That bred distrust of them. But yes, it also freaked me out. More so the first time. I was maybe 17 so I was not ready to handle it. The second person I still talk to, and keep in contact with. But it is wierd. I feel a strong distrust of them since they were not honest with me. I have gay friends and I trust them more than these guys since I felt underhanded motives. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your personal experiences do not make it true over all. You are making a statment based off of a small sampling. I bet I could find cases where gay couples have abused children. That does not ame it so ALL gay couples will abuse children. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They are still ALLOWED to have them. They are turning them in for cash. They could keep them if they wanted to...Unlike NY, DC and California. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Read as: If Kerry wins he will want to tax the shit out of you, so most small investors will jump out of the market. This will drive the market down and the increase in the intrest rate will skyrocket making it harder to invest since you will be paying more to own what you already own now. This will make the stock market start back into the recession that Bush stopped when he came into office. Also Kerry's weak policy on terrorism will make the next attack cause a much greater economic drop. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That could be your problem Bill...You can't tell the difference between a guy playing with you and a guy hitting on you. I can tell the difference. Shame you were not in Perris. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I spend MUCH less time online than you Bill. Also, 5 people do NOT make a case study. You gave an opinion and tried to pass it like fact Bill...And when called on it you try to insult me... Bad Form. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, I made the choice not to be. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

His opinion was the same as the opinion of anyone that says gay marriage will destroy hetero marriage. It was his OPINION with out any proof. Really? You know me? I doubt it. Simple fact. Bill posted an opinion without any backing. It is the same BS as another poster saying that Gays are evil. Both just OPINIONS, and both without any fact. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, I hope Bush will win, but I am selling some stocks just in case sKerry wins. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In my life I have had two guys try to "recruit" me. One was named Hank, and the other Hal. Both were good friends and people I trusted with being a sounding board for my tough choices. Both hid the fact they were gay until many years had passed. One tried to kiss me while we were both drunk one night. The other told me that he was gay and in love with me one day. The guy that tried to kiss me...Well I have not seen him in years. I was young and it REALLY freaked me out. The second guy and I still talk, but he is not as close as a friend as he was. Now I have several other gay friends and we are fairly close...as close as any friends are. But those two I felt (and still feel) wierd around. We were good friends, but they hid a big thing from me. I know why they did it, but that fact along with the fact that I still don't feel comfertable with the idea of them hitting on me...Well it makes it difficult for me to be around them. So there ya have it...The names of they guys that tried to "recruit" me....Did they lose points they could redeam for the toaster when they didn't "get" me? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334