Ron

Its sitting in my trailer....Come and get it "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Few times a mth.... This mth I have 15 hours of SV and 8 hours of Bragg. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

AFF is no more or less dangerous than any other method. Just as all can teach you, they all can kill you. Anyone who says one is "safer" than another is most likely trying to sell ya something. AFF saftey is SO dependant on who the Instructors are. If they are capable well trained, then its safer than some bloke who just got his ticket...Or worse just forged his ticket. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

See this is where we diverge....At the tunnel with a spinning student there is no need to talk about landing. While I can agree that an AFF I, that is a tunnel Instructor also, is BEST. Given the choice of just an AFF "I" or a tunnel rat...I think the tunnel rat is just as good, maybe better to teach basic body flight. Most tunnel rats I know can fly circles around most people. They also know tons more about teaching in the tunnel. On a side note, I have seen AFF "I's" with little to no knowledge if tunnels get in the tunnel at Bragg and fly right accross the cone and fall out the other side. Its really funny. I have also seen AFF "I's" from out of state try to come down to SVO and coach..... Tunnel coaching is not easy, and having a skydiving rating does not really help that much. I would not have a tunnel rat do an AFF jump over an AFF rated "I"...I also would not have an AFF "I" coach in the tunnel over a rat. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I had a GF whos all female team was looking for a name....And even though they didn't use it it was the best name in the history of female team names..... Hot Lesbo Action. Think about it, not only is it funny as hell. Manifest : "Hot Lesbo Action, 20 min call", "Can I have Hot Lesbo Action come to manifest?" Camera guy: "I film Hot Lesbo Action" Tshirts for sale:"I support Hot Lesbo Action" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

4 way female, the US didn't bother to go . "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yeah, and I think "Best" is the people who do it EVERYDAY for a living. I have seen AFF Instructors that can't even fly in a tunnel. SDC has been using the tunnel for 7 YEARS.....We have not had a problem with any student that used a rat. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

More than a few hundred units sold. I have yet to see a single one, and I live on a big DZ that attracts jumpers from all over the world. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have a Factory diver I use in the tunnel, and an A3 I jump with. The reason? I hate taking my Neptune out and I keep a jumpsuit and a helmet in the car in case I need them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How can you claim that when he says he didn't come in peace you claim I am wrong? anywhoo...Not that it really matters to me... Most religions have violence in their "books". It was way of life. Today only the nutters follow it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have jumped both....I bought 4 Stilettos and not one Cobalt. The Cobalt was OK. The fact they wanted me to jump a smaller PC made me not like it much. The PC is part of the container, not the canopy. Also I am not a big fan of the marketing of the Cobalt. Anywho jump both and make your own call....But jump them both at the same WL. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Last I checked I will be there....Alex is reported to be there, the Chrome Dog is in da houze. Rumors mentioned something about Matt. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If you are scared, just admit it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It would be interesting to compare the principle teachings of Jesus & Muhammad. [e.g. Muhammad killed, advocated killing, and came about as a warrior; Jesus came from lowly beginnings, lived sinless and only advocated peace.) I’m talking about the principals of the religions, not what people have done with them (right or wrong). Fact is almost ALL religions teach violence. In todays world only the nutbags seem to actually do it...(Some say that only the nutbags back then did it as well). "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In this case, he asked why the Quran and Muslims were so violent.... The quotes just go to show that the Bible says many of the same things he claimed the Quran said. And BOTH religions have had people kill in the name of 'God'. We just provided quotes from one work to counter another. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Some Countries do....Some don't. I think the major problem is the religous nutbags in ANY religion. It seems that in areas that are lower on the economic strata you seem to have more looking to and blindly following a religion. When was the last time you heard a 19 year old suicide bomber that was last seen listening to an Ipod, and playing with a portable playstation? Desperation leads to desperate acts. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Its one reason I wish only a few people could start threads. If there was an accident you could report it...And the a mod could start a thread. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) Several things..Here is one. 4:3 "'If the high priest5 sins so that the people are guilty,6 on account of the sin he has committed he must present a flawless young bull to the Lord7 for a sin offering.8 4:4 He must bring the bull to the doorway of the Meeting Tent before the Lord, lay his hand on the head of the bull, and slaughter the bull before the Lord. 4:5 Then that high priest must take some of the blood9 of the bull and bring it to the Meeting Tent. 4:6 The priest must dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle10 some of it11 seven times before the Lord toward12 the front of the veil-canopy13 of the sanctuary. 4:7 The priest must put some of the blood on the horns of the altar of fragrant incense that is before the Lord in the Meeting Tent, and all the rest of the bull's blood he must pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering that is at the doorway of the Meeting Tent. 4:8 "'Then he must take up all the fat from the sin offering bull:14 the fat covering the entrails15 and all the fat on the entrails, 4:9 the two kidneys with the fat on their sinews, and the protruding lobe on the liver (which he is to remove along with the kidneys)16 4:10 --just as it is taken up from the ox of the peace offering sacrifice17--and the priest must offer them up in smoke on the altar of burnt offering. 4:11 But the hide of the bull, all its flesh along with its head and its legs, its entrails, and its dung-- 4:12 all the rest of the bull18--he must bring outside the camp19 to a clean place,20 to the fatty ash pile,21 and he must burn22 it on wood; it must be burned on the fatty ash pile. When was the last time you went to a stoning? Oh, its a matter of HOW many? Not really its a matter of why. Lets not even bring up the crusades. Well I have found some quotes from the bible...I think you are the desperate one...Unless you stone people for sleeping around, or kill your kids if they mouth off. Im at work, so I don't have time to pick apart everything. Chirstianity is just as "evil" as any other religion. And has probley killed more. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

True and while this site has no offical anything...It is a good source of information. But I have in fact seen accidents and hear people try to prevent anything from being posted on here...For the very reasons Bill wrote about. Mainly its ego. However, like it or not this is a great source of information. And I have found that asking a question such as :"Accident at "DZ" on "date"?" Will start a thread and most times the info comes out. My problem with the started of this thread is....If you KNOW of accidents....Why didn't YOU start a thread? And yes people should not all jump all over the poster or the people involved....But on the same token people should not take offense when people ARE found to have made a mistake. It happens...In fact it is the most common cause of accidents in this sport...Operator error. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The bible says the same things. It says to kill non believers. It says to kill gays. It says to stone you child to death if they disobey. It says to sacrifice for God. The difference is that MOST Christians/Jews don't follow the Bible. Some still do...Those that claim they are killing Abortion Dr's in the name of "God". Desperate people do desperate deeds. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No obligation, but man I would think sharing events that might save another pain, or maybe their life would be worth it. I know some are gonna say "But if its not a NEW problem, why bother?" Well so people can see that the accident is more common even if it is not "NEW". Lets face it there are very few "New" accidents....But the rate is as, if not more, important. If we had the actual numbers of times that people break bones on landing we would have much better info to find out who is at the greatist risk and why...Then you could put programs in place to prevent those accidents in the future. Same think with close calls in freefall....We might find operations that most consider "normal" to be dangerous. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It amazes me that people try to keep things quiet. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Skydive City has been sending "problem" students to the tunnel in Orlando since 1998. They use the standard "rat" and come back without any problems. For 7 years the rats have done a good job. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I almost wish I had put money down. I said you will not medal without a 20....Fastrax did a 19.9 and was in 4th. (Although a GREAT show...The last round got em.) I predicted Fire on top....And they smoked (And not just Natasha). FT really threw me...I knew they would do really well, but WOW they smoked round 3 and held second place for a long time. Amazing show....Maybe the best comp I have seen. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I heard that between London and Paris it was going to be quite a fight. It seems the French found out it was gonna be a fight and surendered. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334