Ron

did I ever say it was? But why are not Muslims in the US doing this? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Kamakazi pilots ALSO did it for religion. The Emperor was 'God'. But why don't we have waves of getto folks killing people over here? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Same thing. Quit playing word games. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK so you think the difference IS the religion. So when you claim that people in dire situations become suicide bombers. You really mean "When Muslims are in dire situations they become suicide bombers." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Why is it that all the American folks that are pissed off only very few become suicide bombers? But Muslims in the same situation seem to travel great distances to do it? Come on John use science here. Why does ONE religious background seem to have more suicide bombers than others? You can rule out envoronment snce Reid was living OK, the folks that just did London were living OK... So what is the ONE thing that takes a malcontent and makes them want to wear an explosive suit? Agreed, but why is only one group so full off people who are willing to blow themselves up and another group is not? BTW the freeflier comment was great. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

John, you said: "Because, IMO, no-one who feels good about their situation in life becomes a suicide bomber" Then when I asked why not another group who is not happy does not seem to be doing it, you claim different strokes? So what is THE difference between a guy that does suicide bomb, and the same type of guy that does not? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK, but with the 20 jumps you get 20 canopy flights, 20 aircraft rides, 20 deployments....ect. Like you said it depends on what people want, and I think tunnel can be a very good tool.... But if you want to learn to skydive, skydive. If a tunnel is handy, or you have some problems, a tunnel is a good idea. But it is not needed for most people. If I had my dream program set up...It owuld involve 10-15 min of tunnel...But thats a dream and not practical for everyone. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK, the tunnel does not help with the number one killer of jumpers in our sport. Canopy control. It does not help with deployments, or malfunctions. It is a good tool, but you don't need it. And it can bread the biggest number one killer off all in this sport...OVER CONFIDENCE. I know quite a few people that can fly well in freefall due to tunnels , but fly a canopy like shit. My old teammate was a great tunnel flyer, WAY better than me....He is dead now. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then why don't we see kids from the American Gettos blowing themselves up in Malls? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Others can. do you think it is ethical to steal another DZ's phone number? Then claim to BE that DZ? Do you think it is ethical to use someone elses property and claim it as your own? I don't. ASC may have agreat plane, the peopl emay be great, I like Mike personally..... But the fact that the owners of ASC are the same as the owners of Skyride....I would NEVER give them a dime of my money. The owners are THE SAME...And I don't promote nor support people who I feel are crooks...Even if I like the service they provide. Maybe my loss since the folks at the DZ seem cool, but I will never spend a dime if it will go to those whose business practices I think are crap. Cary and Ben are two people that I think are BAD for the sport...They may have a nice DZ, and nice toys, but I didn't play with the rich kid in the neighborhood just because he had nice toys if I thought he was a jerk. Dan stop defending your home DZ and look at the crap that owns the place. The DZ may be great, but you by jumping there support a couple of real assholes. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I hope you don't think I'm slaming you. I'm not. I do think Carry is an ass with bad business practices. That does not include you, but you do defend him, so I wanted your take on what is pretty clearly an immoral move by him..(And I hope illegal and I hope he gets slammed for it.) Thats all. ASC may be a great DZ, the people may be great, the parties may be great, but I'll never spend a dime there if it will go to an ass like this guy. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

What? Can't you see he was clearly not a threat anymore. I can't believe you people support killing a man that is INNOCENT. You don't know he was up to no good. He was down..Why did they have to fire at him then? I hope the police get fired, and I want Blair to be held accountable. I say this since so many jumped on the US soldier who shot the combatant in Iraq. What makes THIS OK, and not the other? Not you mr2m....But others. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

John you can be pissed about something without killing innocent people. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Here is the problem....Whuffos don't care till after they get screwed. And ANY bad news about the sport will be bad news for everyone. Do a bad show on ASC, and the Farm will be considered bad. Whuffos don't care. Talk about going to the Farm and a Whuffo will say, "Thats the place on the news that got kicked out...I heard they killed 88 people last year!" You can't win a pubilcity battle like that..Every round you hit them with wounds you. The BEST bet is to capitalize on them stealing pictures and using them without permission, claiming they have people working there that don't, them claiming aircraft they don't have and this phone bit and taking them to court. Does anyone KNOW that cliking on the Google link will hurt them? I am not to big to play dirty to a bunch of shitbags. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No offense, but a post on thread is NOT proof. However, I have gottena PM from someone I trust that claims it is true and offerd me numbers and contacts in the FBI where a complaint was filed. THAT I trust. These shitbags are scum. Chutting Star....You know that I like you personally Mike...But how do you stand if this is true? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Any proof of this? If so, I hope these two get what they deserve. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think that most who claim to be Christian are not even close to being Christians. I never claimed to be Christian. I gave up on that long ago once I started to actually pay attention to the teachings and how on some things I was unwilling to even try to live the lifestyle. I don't think many people INSIDE are able to make the distinction, much less outsiders. I don't think religion should "change with the times". I don't think the Bible is "Subject to interpretation". Therefore I am willing to change to follow the religion, nor am I willing to adapt the religion to fit my needs as some do, and still claim it is true. So I do not call myself "Christian". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The idea was to prevent the destruction of the attacks. You will NEVER stop a guy that wants to kill. You can really try to limit the amount of damage. It seems in these cases some moron built the bombs wrong and they didn't detonate. Yeah Britain was always a target, as is ANY large city. Even Muslims are targeting other Muslims sine they are not the "same". The ONLY fix to this problem is for the extremists to be no longer tolerated by the majority....Until then the best we can do is try to limit the amount of damage done, and crush the ones we can catch. But going after them has a price. Until the majority turn on the extremists we will be seen as attacking Islam. And that will build more terrorists. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

While I don't agree with bombing holy sites unless there are being used as a military stronghold, base, storage, or hiding place.... This is interesting: "Asked whether he was concerned about angering terrorists, Tancredo said, "You've got people telling us that they're going to bomb our cities and kill however many millions of people that they can. You're telling me there's something more hostile than that?" Also this is VERY true "He also said he did not intend to offend moderate Muslims, whom he calls the "best hope" of bringing terrorists to justice." Bill Mitchell had a cartoon about this. (attached) The Text (which I guess is not showing up says: "9 out of 10 Muslims abhor Isamlist terrorism unfortunatly, 9 out of 10 also remian silent about the attacks" If the Muslims want to not be seen as Violent...Then they need to turn against the extremists. Some are, but more need to. Just like I would turn in a "Christian" that bombed an abortion clinic. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Not my Standards. The Bible's standards. How can you claim to be something basied on a book, but ignore the parts of the book you don't like? Some "rules" spell things out very clearly. To ignore those "rules" just cause ya want to....Clearly shows you are not what you claim. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I call those people "false Christians". I mean how can you pay attention to only the stuff you want and ignore the stuff you don't, but still claim to be the whole thing? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have become a Democrat. I want to quit my job, but not sacrafice my jumps per year. I know it wil be hard, but my DZO likes the idea. So he is gonna charge anyone with a job 6 dollars more per ticket. For every 4 tickest he sells I will get a jump ticket....Now it will be set up like welfare and I can't use it for packing or food (Unless I do it really sneaky like). But I think its fair that all you rich people with jobs pay for my jumps...BTW if I get a second rig I get even more tickets...Cool huh? Get to work, I need to make 500 jumps this year. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Birth control is good. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Burn it...I don't care "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nice bike, love the paint. I had a Harley for THREE days....84 Sportster. HATED it. A friend had it for sale...He bought a new bike and wifey said one had to go so I got it for a steal....I hated it and sold it two days after I bought it. Loud, vibrated like hell, and not comfertable. Plus, I was 24 and felt stupid on it. Edit...I think it was an 84, not an 88. But to be honest I don't remember. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334