Ron

The difference is the Constituion is a living document and it was created as such. The Bible is not and is suposed to be the Word of God. So while a majority can ammend the Constitution, the Bible requires GOD to do it. He is not answering the Phone, but it is not mans place to change it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, you missed mine. Mine was you can't claim to be Christian and support gays according to the Bible. As for the Government, the People have voted and shot homosexual unions down "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Like I aid I don't believe in the bible...However you can' claim to be Christian and not follow the religion. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK, but here in the States the PEOPLE have voted and not once has Homosexual unions been voted in. So while I agree with you 100% that a private organization has the right to deny (Although the Courts have disagreed) then the POPULATION has the right to decide what teh Government does...So far here in the States these homosexual unions have failed for the most part. Do you not agree that in a Democracy the people have the right to have the Government do as the people want? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Please like I said find me one verse where it says homosexuality is OK....Use the apocrypal gospals also. It think it was the first self help book ever written...But then again I don't claim to follow it and at the same time ignore it. (Not saying you do, but you can't claim to be Christian and support gays, idol worship, murder, false gods ect) "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Please, you know more about the Bible than me...Show me ONE verse where homosexuality is OK. But my stance is that if your tenet is 180 from what the Bible says then you are false...In fact there is plenty about "false prophets" in the Bible. Yes, you could start a religion ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT...but not according to God if you don't obey his laws. And the Catholic Chuch is about as far removed from the Bible as you can get. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Pretty much, yeah. Well you can't really count you as 'well adjusted' I don;t really have a dog in this fight. Like I have said several times I don't care and unless I am forced to make a choice, I will not bother. I have also said that I think that same sex couples should have the rights, but I don't see it as marriage since that is religion. I have also said that the biggest problem is the militant of any group that uses the "Your an idiot if you don't agree with me", "you are an asshole if you don't agree with me", or "You are uncivilized if you don't agree with me" lines... You know we both know the same people that are gay...you also know I treat them based on nothing but personality. I find it funny that some many claim that they are "Christian" but ignore the bible when it suits them. And even funnier when they claim that they are correct when the Bible clearly says the opposite. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The same reason I am not religious. Sorry that I don;t buy...OK I don't think you need to go to church, but you can't claim to be 'Christ like' and not listen to what he said. I'm sorry you think I was talking about you...I was not. It was an "in general" comment about how some think you can be "Christian" while you are in fact not at all like the Bible tells you to be. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Per the Bible. It must suck to base your religion on something, then ignore parts of it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thats a big ass fish, 646 pounds of big. Caught in Thailand...Yes, they ate it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It is if you believe in the Bible. I however am a heathen, so I really don't care. But it must suck to claim to be a Christian and then ignore the Bible when you feel like it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Never underestimate little men with pointy toe shoes "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well Jews tend to go with the OT, and Christians the NT. However, the difference between Genesis and Romans is one is "History" and the other is "orders" on how to live your life. Bill you can't for ONE second claim that anywhere in the Bible that it says Homosexuality is OK. Now, since the Bible clearly says Homosexuality is wrong, then a church cannot claim to be Christian (Or Jewish) if the allow it. Old Testament: Leviticus 18:22, 29; 20:13; Genesis 19 (see also Genesis 18 for the context and problem of unrighteousness that existed in Sodom and Gomorrah). New Testament: Romans 1:26-27 (Both lesbian and homosexual activities are condemned in these verses and shown as a further result of turning away from God. God only approves of monogamous, heterosexual relationships in marriage, condemning fornication and adultery before marriage and within marriage.); 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; and see also Jude 7. Then it is clear none of the modern religions are true. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't see a problem with it either....However they really should not claim to be Christian when the Bible clearly states that Homosexuality is wrong. That would be like a person who thinks jumping is stupid and would never do it calling themselves a 'Skydiver'. You can claim it all day long, but when your life does not match your claims no matter how much you want it, it is not true. Several 'new' religions have been started over things such as "what does Baptized really mean? does it mean duncked under water, sprinkled with water, babtized by fire...ect?" But none are directly against the words of the Bible. The Church of England seperated and was created to allow the King to get divorced...Instead of killing his ex wives. Still its been a bunch of years since I have read the Bible, but I think the Bible does not say anything about divorce being bad...In fact you can get divorced if you are Jewish. The Talmud specifically says that a man can divorce a woman because she spoiled his dinner or simply because he finds another woman more attractive, and the woman's consent to the divorce is not required. In fact, Jewish law requires divorce in some circumstances: when the wife commits a sexual transgression, a man must divorce her, even if he is inclined to forgive her. The NT does not really say anything about divorce. One view is God allows divorce and remarriage for three conditions: (a) adultery, (b) desertion of a believing spouse by an unbelieving spouse, and (c) if a person becomes saved after they were divorced because when they accept Christ they are beginning life anew Mattew: So the bible does allow divorce, so the Church of England had some proof. The Bible Clearly says Homosexuality is wrong. It is clearly a sin according to the Bible. Old Testament: Leviticus 18:22, 29; 20:13; Genesis 19 Also 18 New Testament: Romans 1:26-27 , 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; and see also Jude 7. Its pretty hard to claim that the Bible says its OK. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You also can't show a single verse that claims those are sins....You know that the Bible does in fact say that Hohosexuality is a sin. Nice try, but not even close. Then those that claim to be Christian and pick and choose what they want to follow and what they want to ignore are not true Christians. I don't think Homosexuals are to be killed, but I also don't believe in the Bible and don't claim to be a Christian or Jew. I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where it says you can pick and choose what you want to follow, and what you can ignore. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I dumped out the cameraman on my 2,000 jump. I flew up to him, and he thought I was geeking the camera...He He....Later he became a GK. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If the religion is based on the Bible, then they are not following what the Bible says. Can anyone show me one verse in the OT or NT that supports homosexuality? If not, then a religion that claims to be based on the Bible that allows homosexuality is not following the Bible. Its like reform Jews....They are about as far from being Jewish that some call them 'Christians with curly hair'. If you claim to be Christian and you claim to follow the bible, then you can't have views that are against what the Bible says. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The Pentagon announced today the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the U.S. REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF). These North & South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, and Virginia boys will be dropped into Iraq and have been given only the following facts about Terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus. 5. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of Dale Earnhardt. This mess in Iraq should be over IN A WEEK. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well thanks, I try Why is one black and whilte, and the other difficult? One could argue that the war with Iraq was justified for no reason other than Saddam was an ass that tried to kill Bush1. As for gay marriage there are SEVERAL shades to it...Some might be: 1. Questioning if Government should recognize ANY marriage. 2. Questions about how 'God' will see your support or lack of action either for equal rights, or against what the Bible says is wrong. So, Gay rights is not that easy. To a true religious person they can't support gay rights. I have yet to see a single Bible verse that supports gays. And any church or religion that does support gays is clearly just pandering to the audience. So while you think that Iraq has many faces and it is not a simple choice, for some its easy...They never complied, Saddam was an ass, he tried to kill a President. And while you think supporting gay marriage is simple, to others there are many sides to it for some. Unless you assume that everyone should see things only like you do. I think most don't really care and unless they are given a choice would rather not pick a side. As for Canada, Spain, Belguim(?)...ect if they can get a law passed to allow it, great, the majority has spoken. My whole gripe about what happens here in the States is an activist who has the power makes the call....Then when in a vote they get over turned...Well thats Democracy. Has ANY vote in the US supported gay marriage? Some would see not choosing as supporting. I for one when given the right to vote on a subject pick a side and vote. Its not only my right, but a responsibility to vote and not abstain. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Bingo. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If you can see the rig, then its getting degraded by the sunlight. I throw my shirt or JS over my rigs...Well until they are no longer "new" then I just toss em around If you cover the rig while packing, and when not in use it will last a LOT longer, and will be able to blind people for a long timeto come "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

What, and a persons stance on gay marriage can't be the same way? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think several people are like me...they don't care and don't want to be bothered with it. However, when forced to make a choice, we will make one that is in line with our feelings. So up until I am asked to vote, I could not give a crap....But when asked to make a choice, we make one. Some might vote for, others might vote against, some will choose not to pick a side and will not vote. Most don't care, and will not bother to picket, petition, demonstraight for OR against homosexuals. But many when given a Yes/No vote on them will check a box. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So you are not allowed to stand up against things you don't like? Then why do you talk about the US in Iraq? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are not "giving it power over you". You are voting your opinion which is the whole point of voting in the first place. There is no reason why someone who does not support a position has to not exercise their right to vote. The only time you should not vote on a subject is if you really don't care, or do not know enough about the subject. Inspite of what some think, you have the right to vote basied on your opinion. And you have the right not to support something you don't agree with. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334