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What is the purpose of doubling the rubber band on the line stows? Is this just to keep the lines held with a little more tension, so they wont slip out/become messy? Or does this have an effect on how hard the parachute opens? If so, how?Quote Doubling the rubberband isn't always necessary if you can downsize to a smaller rubberband. I've been taught that one of the causes of a line over malfunction is when there is insuffiicient tension on the line stows...causing them to unstow out of sequence..(bad thing) and there is a chance the when part of the canopy releases from the bag..the prematured line(s) can go over your canopy. You also want to avoid line dump at all costs. (I am NOT an expert...this is what I've been taught and read)

From what I observed from watching testing of 'intentional' horseshoe cutaways...you chop, quickly grab and release your main risers...this leaves the airspace above you clear for your reserve to deploy. Does anyone agree or disagree and why?

I'm not talking about wraps, I'm talking about entanglements and the confilcting suggested emergency procedures. Each situation is different, I know. But after reading the emergency section of this website, I'm more interested in the 'general rule of thumb'. I.E....quades example sounds more like a wrap to me, where the 'rule' would be that the bottom jumper releases first. Of course, there are many options to that scenario...like cutting the line that is wrapped around the person or giving a little brakes or rear riser imput to relieve tension...but I want to know why a student would be taught that in the event of a canopy collision involving an entanglement that the bottom jumper should cutaway first...I disagree and think the top person should cutaway first.

When you say "parked", do you mean wrapped?

Thanks AggieDave

That completely makes sense to me. To relieve the tension...but that seems more like a wrap scenario to me???...Where the 'general rule of thumb' is the bottom jumper releases first. (I'd like to know as much info as possible on this subject.)

What's he 'general rule of thumb'? Every situation is different. I'm asking the 'general rule'. Thanks. Edit: I voted the top person releases first.

I'm going to take a poll.

I believe that as a generality they lean toward the lower jumper cutting away as long as the higher jumper is ready.Quote I don't think it's very clear. I interpret as them leaning towards the top jumper cutting away first...as long as they communicate and are ready. I'm going to have to do more research on this subject now. I'm disturbed by the conflicting "rules of thumb"

CRW Dogs, Why would somebody say that the "rule of thumb" for an entanglement is that the bottom person releases first?

Actually, is doesn't make sense as a 'rule of thumb'...granted, each situation is independent of eachother. However, In CRW the 'general rule of thumb' is the opposite-or so I was taught by many different sources. Entaglements almost always require both persons to cutaway. I thought that if the bottom person releases his lines first..the risers can recoil upward and wrap the other person. When the top person releases first, he may impact the bottom person on the way by, but wont have much momentum. The top person is usually the person who passed through the lines of the bottom person,, and, many times his canopy will put itself out of the mess after it is released. That is good for the bottom person. Many times entanglements begin to spin, and one person will be hanging downward while the other one is orbiting the entanglement. Obviously, this spin may accelerate rapidly. In that situation the orbiter should cutaway first. That will toss the orbiter clear of the entanglement and does not alter the other person's orientation to the entanglement. If the jumper who is hanging downward releases first, it can cause the orbiter to change orientation to the mess and could make the matters worse...??

Bill, While reading the safety section on this site, I came across a 'suggested' emergency procedure during a canopy collision. It states; "If you find yourself entangled with another parachute, the general rule of thumb is that the lower person has the right to perform emergency procedures first." I have many questions about this suggestion. Can you first confirm that this is not a typo first, please?

I always bring beer, a cooler, and some ice to the DZ.

I can't believe nobody said: EFS! but for me: -Dirt Cheap Skydiver -Controversial -Inimitable

Gotcha now, thanks Edit: still learning the rules and 'etiquette'

I don't understand why this is such a big deal? Yeah, he was aggravated when he wrote his initial post...but why get so agitated over it? He reported something...(not using the best choice of words, I agree) What did I miss? Can someone explain this to me (civilly)?

While you're in a sit position, try just turning your head and wrist...while stayng in the same position. Is your vision ok? I ask because you said you're used to it being right in front of your face while in the mantis position. Can you read your alti w/your arms extended?

pd190, would he really get kicked off the DZ because he isn't liked? or would he just have no friends?

A website can't "give" you a virus. You have to actually open some sort of infected file. Have I ever recieved a virus from it? Nope. Who's to believe. I'll believe HH when he looks into it.

That's what it sounds like to me. It happens when packing. Did he open up and were his risers backwards?

I found these two on the perris website.

You should ask Wendy about the WFFC. I here she is the one! You can also read this

It's too bad skydiving, in its entirety, isn't like that anymore! BTW...Is it just me, or does anyone else get REALLY excited when there is a thread in this forum? I wish there was more of it!

See if this helps

How does he interact with you? Edit: If he was kind to me then I would keep him around and wouldn't care what the rest thought.