rhys

the low profile stabaliser is quite popular in Australia, it is supposed to help the openings but I have found my openings to be fine without stabalisers, in fact better than fine they hve bee terrific. I would call it a bandwagon. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

To try to bring the analogy back on track I'll attemt to interpret yours. Are you trying to say that a higher percentage of engineers will agree with the official story versus a small minority that oppose the official story? Off what statistic do you base this assertion? There are 1000’s that have opposed the official story publicly and published their opinions, versus an uncounted number that campaign for the official story in a similar way. In the middle there’s the majority that would rather not talk about it. These are the people that stand on the fence because they are not sure, too scared, or simply apathetic. These are the ones that simply read the thread and consider it. They lay silent until the day it all comes clear, that day is not when we have the details to do so, we have for a long time, it is the day we are allowed to speak about it openly without ridicule. Then they will say their view. Almost all of the posters in this thread help this day become further and further away. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Agreed, i will try to refrain from doing this in future.

Once again an unprofessional and irrational burst of gobbledegook, that has no links or information to back up the assertions. You profession was not built on ridiculing those that question, it was built by them. I challenge you with my unpractised high school education from over 18years ago, to a challenge of my simple understanding of physics. How about you finally ‘show us’ your depth of understanding and present to us your interpretation how it is possible for a large steel structure to fall through the path of greatest resistance at freefall speed (without explosives). I don’t believe you can, because I believe it is impossible. Any structure or object will not be able to reach freefall speed if it has any significant resistance whatsoever, Simple. That is the extent of my argument at this stage. That is all that is needed to prove that fires cannot make this happen. It is impossible without a huge amount of assistance from vast amounts added potential energy to assist it to do so. i.e. controlled demolition. Once you have answered my question, you can then ask me to answer you ‘one’ question. This way we don’t get thrown off course with the unprofessional and unnecessary name calling, that we are both guilty of. We will reach a conclusion this way but not with the circles you are sending us all in currently. You could also continue name calling and ignoring people’s efforts and credentials, without showing us the results of yours. Many of these people have experience and understanding you will never gain yourself as there are far too many respectable people that you are dismissing on a whim, that have experience and knowledge far beyond your capabilities. But I suppose, because you are an engineer, you know everything, so we needn't even question your judgement or motive "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

i got my para concepts slider and have done at least a hundred jumps on it now, it is very nice and I have had great openings. I use it for freefall alos without concern. Mine is 60cm x 90 cm for my JVX 79 it is large and lovely. highly recommended! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This is going around in circles Bill, are you simply trying to frustrate me into a tantrum of negativity, or have you simply not taken the time to consider this discussion fairly and completely. In case you didn't notice, his work is being used to represent the 1000+ (and growing) engineering and architectural professionals, who are at the forefront of the exponential progress that is currently happening with the truth movement against all odds. Putting complicated, highly debatable subject matter into concise presentations that are easily understood by the layman, is no easy task. David Chandler knows his stuff, and is well spoken. He is quite obviously considerably more correctly educated in the subject than you. He has taken the time to present these findings in a professional manner, gain the respect of millions of people and have his work used to represent the most highly regarded truth movement faction in existence. The 20 million dollar report was amended directly due to his questions, and work. This action rendered many of your opinions incorrect; the moment NIST included freefall in their hypothesis. They failed to explain it, as have you, or anyone else. It is quite obvious you are still in denial of that. Then you have the audacity to dismiss his credibility in a whim to protect you own integrity? Your arrogance is outstanding! Be honest with yourself Bill, there is nothing typical about David Chandler. Your use of that word in your reply gave you an out because you were not necessarily describing him, but giving the impression that you were, without accountability. This is the type of phycological behaviour you are now destined to cling to, until you decide to be honest with yourself that is. Finding ways to lie without lying, instead of telling the truth. Once again your naivety and arrogance in this subject is beyond comprehension. This is not very becoming of a moderator and questiones the integrety of anything you say. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I use JVX and paraconcepts, I did have the same issue using my vector risers. The brake excess stow was the problem. The stow closest to the bulk of the break settings was making that section too thick. I now only stow the excess in the bottom stow away from the bulk and the rings slide over easily. This may or may not be a factor in other people's experiences. i can't imagine how aweful it would be, to be unable to get the grommets over the front risers! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Being an idiot is most dangerous! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

All those that believe the NIST report is correct and believe that there is no need for another investigation into the buildings collapses. Not only to incriminate those that may be responsable, but to make sure that anything like this never happens again. This is all the truth movement wants. This assertion is incorrect, I do not have enough evidence available to me to suggest what happened at the pentagon, and I only have enough evidence to show what most likely did not happen.

I really cannot believe you ask this question seriously but I’ll answer it (again) because you don't seem to be able to grasp how knowledge can be transferred from one to another. Citing my high school experience was simply proving Belgium guys assertions that I have “No Clue Whatsoever” about what we are talking about, that arrogant and unprofessional standpoint is simply an attempt to further belittle me and suggest that ‘everything I say is right’ and ‘everything he says is wrong’. Of course I cannot design a skyscraper; I have not focused my energy on this. If I had then I have no doubt that I could, I achieved my general excellence award for my ability to grasp things easily, not for keeping my socks up and having a nice tie knot. I may not be able to build a skyscraper but many of these guys do, and many of then have spent the last 5 years constructing detailed and complete journals and papers pertaining to the issue. These you ignore as ‘tin foil hat’ conspiracies and much like the NIST, unscientifically dismiss them without understanding or admitting to understand what they are suggesting. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If 100's of other orthopedic surgons would suggest so, and document it in laymans tearms and cite the rules, regulations and evidence. Then with your knowledge acquired you would have reasonable grounds to question the authenticity of the said orthopedic surgon. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Then it should be easy for you to clear this one up, show me the documentation that makes you so sure that in September 2001 this was the case. please. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Opposing ridicule from the mainstream sheep is not an easy task and many can't be bothered to do so, even though their beliefs are in line with mine. More and more people are waking up, but those of your ilk are in too deep to allow yourself to. What is most humorous is the attempts to suggest that what I am saying is ridiculous, and that you guys have no interest. This thread and the plethora of others related to it would not have so many posts if this was the case, simply visiting and posting to make fun of someone’s serious concerns pertaining to all of our welfare on a global scale is not only shallow and inconsiderate, it is naïve. 500 posts later you are still repeating yourselves like a scratched record, and defending corruption and suggesting that your leaders are all squeaky clean, yet in the next thread you might visit you bash them for being corrupt. If any of you could show me some credible evidence to prove that the NIST report is correct and I am simply talking shit, then I will agree with you, but you all cling on to these manufactured lies that have been fed to you but Rupert Murdoch (PANC) and his cronies. These all use the statistics of the fraudulent NIST report, the report that Belgium guy admits is wrong, bilvon knows is wrong, yet won’t admit that this report is all you/we have to go on (from the authorities), we only have the word of our media and governments, you know those guys that you all mock in other threads for being corrupt… I would say I’m holding my own quite nicely, the ample attempts to belittle me and suggest that I am a radiophobe, only further incriminates the attacker as fraudulent and inconsistent. How about you suggest what it is that makes you so sure that the ‘official story’ is correct, if you cannot I can only suggest your thinking is in line with the feeble Christianity myth, a weak story pushing a corrupt agenda, backed by the faith of feeble minded sheeple that wish only to go with the flow to ‘conclude’ a deep intricate mystery for self comfort. Most are too busy being workers to even give it a passing thought. This spineless faith is the bane of our human race, we have not achieved such great feats by simply believing what we are told but buy pushing for further truth to know what is possible and what is not, it has taken great people with audacious suggestions and opposing popular belief to move us forward in life. This is true patriotism; Patriotism is word all to often used in America but not so often understood. Look it up! The denier mindset is akin to the mainstream belief that the world was flat, this is what the people were told, this is what the majority believed and it took people that were willing to be ridiculed and attacked to set the record straight. Faith is not enough for me, the facts speak for themselves, and you simply need to listen to them. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I did high school physics and achieved a general excellence award the same year (not for physics but in general). My physics teacher was an asshole, and though I passed i had no interest in it after that. I had my own business making jewellery (casting, silver soldering and general manipulation) selling to a contemporary design store straight out of high school for 7 years until I broke my ulna and radius training for a skateboarding competition. I moved onto adventure tourism after that and here I am. I may not be an engineer, but I have a good understanding of 'Basic physics' and it is 'very simple' to see that many anomalies occurred on 9/11. I have also lived my life as a human being for 35 years and have excelled in every activity that I have applied myself to. As you are an engineer, claiming that one must also be an engineer to fathom the mechanics of gravity and it’s forces on an object is not only unprofessional, it is also arrogant, ignorant and misleading. Now answer the question without trying to belittle me and make yourself look like a hero; Are you telling me that it is impossible to crosscheck the youtube video with the NIST report to check it for continuity? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I googlem 9/11 and click news, and most recent, whatever comes up is what i read or watch, whether it is glen beck or richard gage... how is this off topic, you guys need a rude awakening every now and then, you act like it is the rest of the world against rhys, but it is not like that at all... There is hundreds of posts on this thread and I replied to myself. This isn't about you and me, it is about 9/11. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is not far away now people, Rupert Murdoch won't tell ya, but there is more going on behind the scenes right now than most of you will be willing to acknowledge! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you are saying that it is not possible to compare the video to NIST's report and check for continuity? Saying I don't have a clue about what I am talking about is not only unprofessional and arrogant. It is a personal attack. A reaccuring personal attack and as much as I don't expect Bill to caution you on you blatant misconduct, he should do so in all fairness. It would be akin to me saying someone that has much less jumps than me has no clue about skydiving. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

my answer for that question is the same. He simply wanted to move the conversation from tower 7 by asking an irelevant question. There was no debris falling from building 7 in the videos we have on offer. He knows he has his foot in his mouth, and he is trying to use his credentials against mine as his argument rather than trying to explain, what he claims is easy to explain. It is much harder to explan how a building can achieve freefall from a fire, than when it is hit by a jet liner. This is probably why building 7 was ommited from mainstream post 911 news reports and the initial government reports. It seem they wanted us to forget about it as if it was not significant? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

are you talking about NIST? they used the same video to create thier analysis, or are you talking about david chandler? If you conclude that using video is woefully inaccurate, then you must agree with me (for different reasons) that the NIST's data is inaccurate and we need another investigation? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have been focused on buliding 7 for some time, all 3 buildings fell much faster than they should have, but the dynamics of building 7 is completely different to 1 & 2. Here is the link again expalaining how the NIST report admits freefal yet cannot explain it. Nobody that does not admit explosives were used can; because it is impossible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9Qp5QWRMQ They use inadequate and unscientific methods to gain completely false data. They guess statistics and use averages when complete data is easily obtainable. This is drylabbing. Buildings 1 & 2 are obscured by the dust of the pulverised concrete almost instantly after onset of collapse, not that there isn't plenty of evidence there. Building 7 is more than what is needed to prove the coverup, that is why it is focused on by the truth movement. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have never used my observations of my cell phones ability to work at any altitude as evidence. I have used David Ray Griffin's findings. You can see them for yourself here; http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16924 It is quite extensive but if you are seriously interested you will read it, I don't expect you to. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I believe this happened because of the pre planted explosives, you now the explosives that have been found in all the dust that has been analysed by independent investigators, and palmed off as being planted by the said investigators. This could be clarified in a heartbeat if anyone but NIST and government officials were allowed to analyse the dust in the landfill. Everyone has been refused access to the site and also the family members that have no carcass of their loved ones are also not allowed some of the dust in lieu of their family’s remains. What is so secret about some rubbish in a landfill? It is not difficult at all to understand. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean nobody else does. It has all been explained to ou before...more than once. Nist couldn't explain it in their 20 million dollar report, if it is so simple why you don’t explain it, in laymans terms for us all to understand and for some clarification. When you say a small area, do you mean the whole building, or just a section? The whole building was in complete freefall for 2.5 seconds according to NIST's dubious report and from observation, for the entire time it was in view from the point where the outer perimeter began to fall, on the most common video footage we have available to us. This is unprecedented, and unexplained. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I checked today and my phone and my friend’s 3g phone both cut out before 10k. That is not to say i don't believe you made a call from 22k. But that is what I have observed. The cell phone calls are only a small variable in the big picture, and technology had come a long way in the last decade. I won't push that point because I am not so sure on it, I would be guessing If i tried to say what cell phones were capable of 10 years ago, but I do know that mine does not work at 12k and my workmates fancy 3g phone does not either. Full coverage at 8k none at 12, unreliable at 9-10 I can't use that as evidence as our networks will be different to the USA’s. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

i will answer a question, saying he thinks it is not an anomoly is one thing, it is easy to say no. but explaining it will be very difficult indeed. It will be intersting to see if he or 'belgium guy' tries, NIST didn't, and now they will be investigated for drylabbing, serious movements are taking place to make sure this process goes ahead as soon as possible. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is 'Natural' for a building to 'not' fall at freefall speed, and for periods of time they did not do so, but for other periods of time they did. It is quite easy to answer your quesstion as the buildng stood for decades due to thier design. thery are quite simply too strong for gravity alone to take them down at that speed, or at all. What is difficult to explain is how they can manage to accelerate at freefall speed due to random fires and structural weakness. digging deep for that one bro, how about you explain it and use a building as an example, and answer my question; Do you think it is an anomoly that the freefall occurred for at least 2.5 seconds, and if not where has the precedent been set for this before. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix