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These said experts need to put thier money where their mouth is and start explaining rationally and concisely their standpoint then, rather than quoting hypothetical answers with absolutely no substance or evidence, and resort to name calling and knee jerk comments. You can start by explaining how the freefall acceleration of a steel framed strcture is possible from random fires, and random damage. You can use whatever link or cut and paste any journal or reference you please. You can even ask you collegues and see if they don't laugh at you. If you don't even mention 9/11 so they actually listen, and ask them if they believe a building could collase at freefall acceleration from a fire, see what they say. You will sound like a fool, as soon as you mention 9/11, they won't even want a conversation with you. Imminent global collase is about as thourough of an explanation we have had to date. some fancy computer graphics looked nice but didn't really explain anything. How about you explain it to us? You could repeat; "I have answered that before", "you just don't get, do you", "you are a bunch of morons" , "tin hatter conspiracy nut"... or similar like you normally do, but how about an explanation or a link to your previous one, that would better actually, as it clarify whether or not you have been talking shit about you alleged previous explanation. Everyone that was not a truth advocate denied freefall, everybody for years when it was clear that freefall or very close to freefall speeds were recorded on multipule separate recording devices, and we watched it numerous times... It was not until my birthday, the 20th of November 2008 that the NIST final report included freefall acceleration as a part of thier observations. This was _AFTER_ the report was released for public comment excluding freefall in any description, and years of denial of it from the NIST. It was pointed out to them, as pointed out to you numerous times, that freefall acceleration occured. A matter of a few weeks later, freefall appeared in their hypothesis with nothing else to back it up. Since that point, 20/11/08 (or should I say, so you ingest it; 11/20/08), you have been forced to accept the freefall of the structures, and you have no way of explaining it. I know I sound like a scratched record, but until you stop avoiding the inevitable and begin to explain why you beleive that the freefall accceleration of a steel framed skyscraper is acceptable and not worth considering, The question will continue to be raised. To this date many of the debunking 9/11 conspiracy sites and articles still deny freefall accelerating occured (in faux detail), even though it is now determined to be 'FACT', you fail to question the motive behind the people that refuted it incorrectly? I know I am talking to a brick wall, but this excersise is successful in exposing the fact that you cannot refute directly the claims and questons the truth movement has, even with your (alleged) vast knowledge and experience in the engineering field, yet you are quick to call the people you cannot answer, retards? hmmm. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Ha Ha, I'm livin the dream buddy, no need for help here. Couldn't be happier with where I am at, but I am not so selfish to consider only myself... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

There is difference between having fun and earning a couple of hundred bucks and earning billions and murdering innocent people. I don't quite get your bizzare logic? The truth merchandise is very cheap and it is widely distributed, the organisations need some funding to operate and they, generally run at a loss, but for reason and ethic, not profit and power. You want to believe these people are bad but the reality is that they are simply concerned citizens that are asking some very relevant questions to very relevant topics. Refusing to discuss the subject is a sure sign of complicity and anyone that cannot see that is fooling themselves. A simple truth is that those of your ilk that strongly oppose the truth movement is in the same realm of those that support it, the vast minority... The vast majority are simply apathetic or unaware, those minds are easily swung as long as it 'appears' that the majority share the same belief. If it is in thier best interests to support the cause they will do so. That however is restricted by the controlled and censored media, though propoganda. That is also rapidly changing. 9/11 truth is massive, it brings a rapid halt to the need for your current wars and it brings into question the treasonous tyrants that have no limit on what they desire. You could claim you countries' recources and finances back through a simple investigation with subpoena power, and fry the cunts that have screwed your amazing country with thier corrupt, selfish and immoral ways. But that truth would be too huge for everyone to ingest wouldn't it! There is a mountain there, I am well aware, but the apathy is well on its way to concern with simple education. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Before we get into any calculations, it must be determined in this hypothetical scenario, what the catalyst is/or was. Are we talking about a random fire or are we talking about controlled demolition? The results of the two said catalysts would be significantly different. Just to save a few un-necessary calculations you see... I want to deliver the exact answer you require. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

looks like your attention span is not long enogh to ingest the information that is given to you. or you watched the start and failed to finish it. This is according to the person that produced the video, he has the backing and support of numerous pilots that have plenty of experience in the said equipment. His simple reply to your particular comments was this; You can begin a discussion with him and his supporters if you like, just reply to me here and i'll be sure to pass it on to my collegues that have more expertise in the field, you'll find they will openly discuss any subject they have personal experience in. I can imagine with the plethora of discussions you are simultaniously in, that you will only focus on each subject proportional to your available time and desire to do so. I do suggest that you do not skip the content and conclusions of these presentations and pass them of as truther bullshit in the first 5 mins and fail to ingest the 'punchline'. Thats how you got into this hole in the first place. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You have a real chip on your shoulder with the whole night tandem thing, how about you keep that in the S & T thread. It is perfectly legal here (in oz) and as much as you may not agree with it, that is the case. Get over it, or yourself or whatver it is that urges you to keep bringing it up everywhere but in the correct forum. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Can you rephrase that question determining the sequence of which each column is removed or do we assume they all fail simultainiously? The perfect collapse so to speak? To use logic I would need a logical question. Otherwise there could be any number of outcomes. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I am certain you re not that stupid, yet your questions reak of evidence you do not understand what it is you are arguing about? One would think you'd realise the 2.5 second thing is written in the NIST's final draft, we have been through this and you have failed, time and time again, to understand what is being said. You obsure the information with bullshit about how it is all been debunked, but you cannot follow your rants up with evidence and it appears you simply do not get it! Your government story 'now' (since november 2008) claims freefall acceleration for a perid of 2.5 seconds and that was being as conservative as physically possible due to the evidence that is openly avaialble. For years NIST denied freefall, as you did, but now that they admit it you still fail to acknowledge it. Now you are running your own hypothesis, maybe you can latch onto Bills bridge and walkway argument and get your own conspiracy theroy happening. what a fucking joke! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Suck it up and confront him responsably, if you are any sort of good person it will be easy to get someone to replace him, If not, than maybe you deserve to be miserable. Your ethic is far from acceptable in my opinion but that is your perogative. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Well put! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You think it is ok to use corporate jets with charity money? A pretty cut an dried accusation isn't it? Is simple a first class flight is not enough? too public transporty? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Actually there is no (publicly available) way of determining the complete time of the entire collapse of any of the buildings due the the view of the events being obsured in all available footage. It is however possible to determine how long it took for the section of the building from the 29th floor upwards. The interesting thing about this data, is that it is one of the few things (the) NIST and the truth movement are in agreeance with. The building accelerated for 2.5 seconds at the rate of gravity (in New York). it is clearly pointed out in This Presentation . I have posted it before and you have chosen to ignore it. Since you made such bold conclusions on my constraint in answering your question, I felt I should clarify that for you. The implications of a freefalling building, as much as Bill and Belgium guy try to counterclaim, implies a much greater force than simple office fires. That is truth that cannot be refuted. It can be ignored, as it has for years now, but neither you, Bill, whats his name, NIST or any of those other imbeciles can refute basic physics. It is possible to cloud the truth with namecalling and move the conversation away from reality with insane analogies like a mad professor. In reality the truth sits there in front of you and it is only ego and emotion that inhibits your acceptance. Acceptance can be tough, we humans have found. Without it, we are fucked, due to our greedy and selfish nature! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Why hide the truth? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Every? are you serious. Watch for AE911truth television slots, increased MSM ridicule and firther discussion between your mated of how rediculous our thought are, as you will notice, your team is now on the defensive. Ignoring important questions is complicity and the longer this continues the more the truth movement will continue to grow. If you believe that because a questionis ignored it it not valid, then you really do not understand the extent of what this all implies. There are very powerful people doing very corrupt and immoral things, they have done for centuries. These type of activities have had to be increasingly more subtle with world communications going the way they are. Your buddies crossed the line with 9/11, they have crossed the line many times before, but with 9/11 they did it on home turf and on an exponential scale. The whole thing is out of hand now and the full results have yet to be seen. They ignored the magnatude of the internet, and they should have filtered it decade ago if they wanted to get away with it, it is too late now. You think this argument will always be as it has.... The emotion has worn off now and people are more open to discussion. You ignore the momentum of the truth movement so you ignore its potential. So you are right it is a win, win stuation for us, as there is, and will ever only be, one truth! Continue as you were! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

read here. use the links for further investigation. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

watch this video if you understand aircraft or are interested in them, it explains clearly that the information given pertaining to the events of that fateful day ire in fact incorrect. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You realise 'it' refers to the 'result of the trial' and not the incident in which the trial is scrutinising don't you? Obviously not. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is not pre-decided. It has not been to court yet, and there has been no end of fucking around in doing so. The trials ‘were’ announced to be held in public at a civilian court, the amount of opposition to this procedure has been outstanding and considering how 'sure' the 'officials' and you 'backers' are that he and his Al Qaeda pals are at fault. Why the opposition, if it is so black and white? He has to stand trial and he has the right to say what he pleases. No matter how much torture he has been through to admit fault, there is nothing to say he will be co-operative during an open public trial. This is why all the deniers want the trials in a military court, because the naughty little signatures that have been signed by the tyrants that are responsible, allow them to lie and deceive without accountability. It is not so easy to make this type legislation in a civilian environment due to the public opposition and therefore the trials in civilian would undoubtedly expose the fable that is the official 9/11 myth. I would say we lost the last decade, but this or the next is a sure thing. The people that will soon be adults, that were not alive or impressionable at the time will study it, and draw their own conclusions. Deception by propaganda will not be nearly as effective to that generation in that particular subject; they will have concise and complete information available when they initially study it. How taboo the subject now is to discuss in public makes it all the more intriguing. This will therefore attract the attention of inquisitive youngsters that have no allegiance with any side of the story. The internet may be filtered in the future but all the information is stored in so many storage devices that it will never be lost. You can't just burn down the library anymore... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Explain how you come to such an absurd conclusion, your inability to fathom information is astounding! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Just like your KSM trial and your NIST report, you are happy for a result to be written before it actually happens. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

In fact they can and have in a few weeks, but they are not making money from their efforts , which Is what Bill trying to accuse them of. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you inability to read between the lines, probay explains why you have a poor understanding of basic physics 9pertaining to our other conversation). If it not spelled out absolutely correctly for you, can you not understand the message? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

QuoteThat depends on whether you want to listen to politicians or scientists. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/heat-is-on-right-across-the-continent/story-e6frg6xf-1225841112583 This newly released study shows human impact is affecting the climate significantly. I believe the whole Co2 thing is a decoy for the fuckwit cororations that billow out toxins (other than Co2) and continue to do so. Greenhouse gasses are not limited to C02! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Wake up call; $45 million is a pittance compared to the lucrative US military contracts that are raping your economy. $350 million is most defiantely getting up there... When you talk about the ‘entities’ that are taking $billions, then you are on the right track. These people own your media, and they own you. It is your money they use against you for their gain. Madonna and the other celebrities are extremely wealthy and they should contribute their fair share, but they are small fry compared to those that influence and to a certain extent control your country and many others around that world. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you're saying that an architect that lives in a $100 a week room is comparable to the political organisations that have stripped your country of its resources, funds and employment via their own private enterprise? They purely want to benefit financially trough their endeavours, and are not acting out of their generosity and moral standpoint? Bill, on this subject you have shown your true colours (that is how we spell colours in the rest of the world in case you didn't notice). AE911truth is scraping up 7 grand to take Nist to court and your country is being raped by the trillions of dollars by greedy corporate/political Cunts and you stand there and defend the tyrants so you can look smart? Nice try pal! I have yet to profit from them as the ‘one’ that I have completed so far, I was paid as normal and volunteered to do it. I went out of my way to do it because it was a novelty jump with great personal gain through the amazing visuals and feeling of launching into the night, my customer was fortunate enough to experience that also, without any previous experience… Where have I lied about night tandems, how are they illegal, or not allowed where I have done them, and If they are allowed by law, and customers are happy and T/M's are qualified with demo licences, what is the problem with them and how does this pertain to the 9/11 debate. We may never do them again, but they are under consideration and we have done trials. Business is business, if AE911truth is supposed to be a business; they run at a considerable loss. As far as an activist organisation is concerned however, they are an absolute success. How much media has the opposition to the 9/11 myth been getting since the start of this year? Have you seen it or have you not been looking. The strength of the truth movement is gathering a an increasing rate and the media and government are now forced to comment and deliver at least an attempt to consider the accusations as continuing to ignore them shows their complicity. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix