rhys

Nice one! Next time you play, try taking all your blocks from one side, leaving the other side complete, see what happens! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

bridges and walkways are not reasnoably compared to a 47 story steel framed skyscraper. Maybe in your world bill, but when you are hunting for excuses to avoid simple physics, you can conjure up anything can't you! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

ever played jenga? Some things should not need explaining, yet you guys seem to prove otherwise. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

What a joke, now you are saying that the booms that were herad were quite simply 'sonic booms'? for fucks sake! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Oh your, you're wrong and I'm right, without substanciating yourself again trick. I'll go further and say that a symetrical collapse including freefall acceleration would require all support columns to fail simultainously. You will rebutt with, you're wrong and I am right, without showing us your explanation. you are so predictable. How about you put you money where your mouth is and try explaining something once and for all? or do you simply wish to ride on the 'debunker boat' and float down the river of lies without substanciating you standpoint? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Here is an opening, it ended up with a tention knot and I had to cutaway, but you wanted to see the inflation and the inflation is great, it is not until the slider is down that anything abnormal happens... aside form the tention knot, most of my JVX openings (on 3 different sizes) have been like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBr5OW3LT0I You can see it does not snivel long, and des not search. I beleive the tention knot was due to my packing, I ran my fingers up the line groups and was distracted, I put the canopy down, I came back to it and continued without running my fingers up the lines again... I have only cutaway a JVX this one time! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Eerily, the north face is on the debris pile as if a shroud were laid gently over the dead building. It fell over after the majority of the building fell. This indicates that the south side of the building fell before the north. It's almost as if the buildings last words were "[This] did it!..". this excerpt from you debunking page is ludercrous considering the video evidence clearly shows symmetrical collapse straight down and it is filmed from the undamaged side of the building. Just another example of how the 'debunkers' use photgrahic evidence to skew your memory of what actually happened. If the damage to the bulging and the fires caused the collapse we wouldhave witnessed an 'asymmetrical' collapse through the path of least resistance. It would have fallen over, not down! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

But the difference is that you are lying and I am telling the truth. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you are mistaken or I made a mistake, I do not claim faster than freefall, I claim freefall. Freefall of building 7 is impossibile without explosives! I guess this is where the pathetic 'there must have been rockets attached to it' comments came from. these comments are nothing more han what one4 would expect from school children. Epecially when yo consider the magnatude of the repercussions of the subject we are discussing. I'l remind you all again, the lives of many thousands of people were lost on 9/11, your government lied to you about it and you are at war, your country is broke, and you liberties are being removed. You country had the potential to be great nfor a long time, but now it is silly putty in the hands of corrupt treasonous criminals. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Bullshit, There are a huge amount of 'probable' times that building 7 'could' take to fall form various levels of damage. Freefall is impossible without completely removing the structural integrety from below the initiation point. The words 'completely' and 'freefall' are the key words. NIST was paid to answer you question, they were paid 10's of millions of dollars and had free access to the evidence. Give me a quarter of that, and access, hell just give me access and 100k and and I'm sure I will conjur up enough credible volunteers and get you an answer. Answering a question with a question is the sure sign that you do not know the answer to the origional question, or you simply do not want to answer it. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I care about the evidence, Bin Ladin was named only hours after the attack, bin laden was blamed as the mastermind for years. the facts wre denied, and you went and attacked Iraq anyway. Now that countr is destroyed and countless people dead, you continue in afghanistan for what? more lies. i want to know the truth, you should too, a criminal investigation into 9/11 is what is needed to discover the truth, there is plenty of evidence there, all ready to go. If it can be proven that Bin Ladin was responsable then so be it, but until a bonafide investigation happens (there has never been one) then we will not know for sure. What we do know is that the US government has lied continuously to us, they have invaded countries and killed innocent civillians and the only people that are benifiting is the armes manufacturers and the other private companies contracted to do the work. your country has suffered, your country is broke, and you still defent the very people that put us all in this very sad position. My question for you is; If you are aware thet 'they' lied about WMD's and destroyed a country and killed it many of its civiliians, why would you not believe they are lying to you about this? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I did speculate heavily at first, I remeber clearly thinking that is could be the doing of the united states in order to gain access to the minerals of the middle east. We spent an untold amount of time debating various hypothesises, and it got us nowhere. Your question is designed to do that and that is what you wish to do, you want to detract from the subject of the freefallng building because that is the 'smoking gun' of this debate. You are all stumped by NIST's admittance, and with this admittance I no longer need to speculate in order to prove you guys wrong. So, I will admilt I have used a lot of speculation in the past, we all have. But I no longer need to. 1 point at a time, ahhh 1 point at a time... you may remember the debunking 9/11 conspiracy website 1 point at a time that many of you quoted, you know the speculation website that tries to justify the treason you are all defending. They said , Do you admit building 7 gained freefall acceleration for at least 2.5 seconds? NIST does and that is all you have to go on, are 'you' willing to admit you were wrong? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you are asking me to speculate in order to mock my assertions, I am not willing to speculate anymore, I simply want you to face the facts. Yes I did copy and paste it, and I do think it is cool. How about you copy and paste something to tell us how a building can gather freefall acceleration from and office fire? If you cannot read it or do your own research, I suggest you don't reply. It is going to be interesting to see how long you and your mates will continue to deny the inevitable! Far to many people have 'seen the light' so the speak. When 9/11 was planned, the internet was nowhere near as mainstream and utilised as it is now, this was a 'serious oversight by the perpertrators, 911blogger is now getting close to 20000 hits a day, sunder and gross will soon be going to trial for misconduct (drylabbing) and the exponential growth of the truth is begining to unfold in the mainstream media.

QuoteYes, buildings can fall at near-freefall speeds due to structural failure. A bridge in Minnesota did just that, despite the massive amounts of structure that had to fail all at the same time to make that happen. In 1981 a walkway at the Hyatt Regency collapsed at freefall speeds, despite having to plow through another walkway on its way down. So your claim that it is physically impossible is contradicted by real-world evidence. Quote Haha, a bridge and a walkway, I suppose they had a lattice of sructural steel below them also. try again Bill, I'm still waiting for your description you said you have posted before... I have seeked and i have not found... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have tried and I have only found your inadequate analogy aboiut a lever and a weight, an analogy that goes into no further detail than that. A bit like NIST's 'imminent global collapse' description. somwhat vague! I do not have an inferiority complex at all, In fact I find it amusing that you suggest that. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You have not answered, You have told me you have, bill has told me he has, but neither of you can substanciate your claims with evidence or a link. you may be into creationism etc. and rely or accept faith as an answer, i am not, and need evidence in order to make decisions. hgow about you simply cut and paste your answer so we can discuss it rather than you simply telling me you have done something you havn't. By the way you may be interested to see that; The entire February 2010 Issue of the American Behavioral Scientist Devoted to State Crimes Against Democracy: The Case of September 11, 2001. You'd better start conjuring up some more excuses, or simply accept that you have no argument. "I'm better than you" and lying simply doesn't cut it! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You are obviously being facecious or have not studied this topic enough. i wil assume the latter and refer you to; www.ae911truth.org Forthe freefall of a steel framed building to occur, pre planted explosives would have to be used. Multipule evidence of high tech explosive material was found in the dust in manhattan, by different independant investigtors. The only repsonse from any official invesigator is denial that these exist. It would be easy to determine if they were there or not by gaining access to the debris that is now in a land fill. Why is access denied for such an investigation? If it was a hoax, we would be shown it was a hoax, simply running a magnet over the dust would prove it true or flase... This will happen, in time the FOIA will allow access. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Cool so you have explained how a buliding can collapse, now explain how it can do so at freefall speed, if I remeber correctly you denied that freefal happened, but that was before NIST admitted it di happen. Go on, enlighten us and maybe post a link to the explanation you just described to us. i have no Idea where it is, you will know some key words to find it... really, I truly want to study your opinion rather than mock you... haha, so WTC7 was made of thin plexiglass? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So by that rationale, you believe that any engineer that publicly questions the official narrative wouyld not be subjected to ridicule from those of your ilk? Think about it! The difference is, there is no scientific evidence for the teachings of the bible, but there is plenty of scientific evidence to suggest that buildings do not fall at freefall speeds through the path of greatest resistance! Nice try. You beleif is based on faith, mine is on evidence! How about we begin an investigation to clear this up once and for all? oh yeah, you guyus are violently oppsing that, because that is all we want! How much money has gone into the war on terror? About that much! Somewhere in the trillions of dollars! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I beleive that loose change does bring up some very relevant points but relies too much on speculation. It is clear now that speculation is not needed to determine the truth, too much solid evidence that does not include speculation is available and you will find that the majority of the truth movement is now thinking this way. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I would consider their opinion, research their subject matter, and then determine what my thoughts were. what I wouldn't do is, Dismiss thier experience on a whim because they question my opinion. Mock them and everyone that follows them. Tell them that thier opinions are not worth discussing yet spend untold hours discussion it anyway. Make stupid fun of them insead of being realistic and answering thier questions first... Take a look art yourself and your mates here, if i am such a whackjob along with the 1100 or so A & E's (plus countless others including undreds of first responders, immediarte family of the deceased, police, firefighters, pilots...) that have taken the time to sign the petition and puth their careers on the line, then why do you guys give such a shit about it? why don't you just leave it? because it intrigues you and you know there is truth behind it, it is just your popular culture is bred to 'not' allow you to believe. If you beleive, you will become a conspiracy nut, not someone that has a relevant question, but simply a conspiracy nut. What a sad world we live in! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How about you show us or give us a link to your answer, I remember some analogy about a lever with a weight and how everyone should be able to grasp that, but you did not go into any further detail. refresh our memories. The debris had zero resistance from the time it left the structure until it hit something, if it was projected beyond the perimeter of the buildings. It is possible for something to have resistance for a period, none for another and then have resistance again. Therefore the debris that hit the ground before the sructure falling through the path of greatest resistance, did so because it had no (or little) reisitance (air). This is not to say the structure did not fall at freefall speeds for a period during thier collapses. My question pertains to building 7, you know the Sttel framed high rise that collapsed from fire thatday also, the one that the Fema report forgot to include, and the building NIST have admitted fell at freefall speed for at least a period of 2.5 seconds and the one that we have clear evidence of that was not obscured by the massive plumes of dust from the desintergrated concrete slabs (that disintergrated in mid air). Why do you change the subject from building 7 to the twin towers? I know, because you are stumped by it, and you use ellaborate methods to move the conversation away from it. How about you show us you skills as an engineer and explain how you think it is possible for 'building 7' to collapse at free fall speed through thepath of greatest resistance? Show me you answer, an anwer that explains the machanics of this, cut and paste from the NIST report if you wish, they didn't explain it either... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Answering that question would be speculating, speculating leads you down the wrong path. Lets stick to simple physics, that we as skydivers, should clearly understand. Things (anything) cannot freefall unless they have very little resistance! that is all! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I call bullshit on this one! I have over 1000 camera jumps on a jvx using digital stills with a sigma 10-20mm = heavy. i have never had a sore neck from it, it was my heatwavew 120 that gave me a sore neck = non crossbraced. Crossbraced canopies have semi closed noses and if in trim and packed reasonable should not open hard. JVX's have huge sliders and they open really nice. Plenty of people use cross braced canopies for camera and plenty of people have no trouble. All sail i cannot vouch for, but i have had a hybrid and the packing should not take any longer unless you are using an RDS. I almost trash pack mine, not quite because i make sure the slider is not sticking out and the tail is clear but otherwise i simply quarter the slider. it inflates nice. How many cmaera jumps do you have to make this conclusion? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you don't lie on the sofa, in your undies, checking your emails on your i phone anymore? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix