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Are you familiar with ae911truth, scholars for 911truth , scholars for 911 truth and justice , firefighters for 911 truth or any of those groups? There are many thousands of industry professionals in different fields with varying concerns with the official narrative. You will find much information on this. If you look. You will find that there are thousands of professionals that are backing this hypothesis, these thousands of people will be subjected to the same bigotry and peer pressure that you will notice here. Some have lost thier jobs and have had intervention from government officials in the form of threats on thier careers and lives, at least one has died mysteriously and there is more than enough reason for many to simply keep thier mouths and minds shut. If we really lived in a free society where freedom of speech was respected, you would find that many, many more would be inclined to speak out but most would rather keep thier jobs and their lives. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

At last someone that has a rational answer that is not an I'm right and you are wrong attitude, thank you. I very much respect you for that. I'll try to ignore the bigotry and absent mindedness of the other replies and try to engage in a meaningfull conversation, you are a breath of fresh air. I see you have a good understanding of physicis and can present you knowledge in a rational manner. Bearing in mind your detailed post, do you beleive it is possible for freefall acceleration to occur while all this friction is taking place? Can the transfer of energy from floor to floor happen at such a rate that the complex falls for a period at the accleration of gravity? If you beleive this is possible can you please clarify. there are plenty of people that claim to beleive this is possible but none have even attemted to explain how they beleive it is so. You obviously have a deeper understanding of physics but with my megre high school physics and every day life experience, am lead to beleive that freefall would be impossible with such activity taking place. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Where have you been around the world? this is about a comparison so you must have something to comapre your country to, you know with first hand experience? Total BS. would you care to explain? you are avoiding the inevitable, Mcdonalds has not re invented itself by selling ceaser salads tha have more fat than a cheesburger, they have reinvented themselves everywhere else byt the USA as other countries actually care what it is that they ingest, the 'food chains' as you call them here include healthy food. food chains become 'food chains' by being profitable businesses that people want to reproduce, if healthy food was demanded in the USA then you too would have healthy food available everywhere whenever you wanted it, without going to some obscure venue that you were told about by the vegan friend.... Answer the fucking question; is there a McCafe anywhere in the USA that searves esspresso coffee, freshly baked cakes and sandwhiches and allowes you to sit on real funature and drink and eat from porcelain dishes? Or do you just get searved in plastic and sit on plastic? If not why do you think they have done that almost everywhere else? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Yes like the Maori, the english tried to invade and it took them 75+/- years before they decided to call it a truce. Hence the Maori tribes' current affluence. They got to keep what was dear to them, compare that to aborigional Australians, they didin't even get a name to identify themselves as. The english thought they could just come and slaughter the Maori, they could not have been more wrong. The Maori invented trench warfare in that war. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Reat this; Does that spell itout for you? pop quiz; 1, What floors had 'fireproof upgrades' before the attacks? 2, What floors were impacted by the aircraft? 3, Who resided in those floors? It is up to you what to belive and it is up to me what I to beleive. I beleive you guys are simply doing what you are told, and begging for acceptance from your peers. I for one have enough friends that I have not spent enough time with. fortunately for me, I am moving home to NZ and begining phase 3 out of 4 of my life. This includes spending more time with those I hold dearly, you guys can have your shallow and false existance. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Any where people were defending their land from unjustified invaders. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

UPT don't make sigma mains, performance designs do? PD would write tha manaul would they not? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Icarus Tandems are quite square. they are elliptical by defintion but compared to a sigma tandem they are quite square. At least last time I looked which was about 2 hours ago. Sigma tandems are overly elliptical, they over steer and I personally don't like them. If I had 3000 tandems on sigma and only a handful on icarus, i would probably think the opposite. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have been to, LA, Perris, Lodi, sacremento, san fran, Oakland, Orlando, Sabstien, Zhills, Las Vegas and Taho. These are places I have stayed and I have been to many inbetweenduring transit. I have also grown up in a world that is heavily influenced by the american media and for this reason myself and much of the world have a good understanding of what america beleives in and how you live your life. The inverse; releatively you guys don't get much information other than what you media allows you to see about the rest of the world does and how they live thier life. That is why it interests me for instance why a company such as McDonalds will invest heavily in these stunning Mccafes in virtually every other country other than america itself? I may be wrong there may be these resturaunts there but beleive me I looked as it is the only american institute that I am aware of that makes a decent Cuppa in a porcelain cup? Ever other place gives me a cup of hot water and a tea bag and expects not only for me to make it myself, but to give them gratuity as well? wankers! But I suppose Mcdonalds just serves its customers what they demand. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Unlike you I am not a follwer and I stand up for what I believe in. If I get banned for defending my personal rights and integrety, then I will accept the banning and stick to my beliefs. i will ask for an explanation and give thought to my actions. If I let my emotions get the better of me and break the rules then I will likely apologise. depending on what it was tht sparked my emotions. I don't know how you guys were bought up, but I was always taught to fight for what you beleive in. Unecessary war and death/murder are immoral and your support fo these things as well as your inability to openly discuss and explain your feelings tells me you were likely taught to do what you are told and not talk back. I'll have my life thanks, it has had it ups and downs but I am very happy and fortunate to be who I am and where I am. You americans didn't like it very much when NZ said you could not bring your nuclear bullshit to our shores, you threatend us with sanctions and violence (be it oral) we stuck to our guns. To this day you are not allowed to brin any nulear powered or armed vessel to our shores. That s what we believe in and we stuck to our guns, you probably don't remember but that is our attitude. You have your life I have mine, don't begin to pretend your shallow attemt to persuade me to embrace your veiwpoint is in anyway justified. You train of thought is responsable for more destructon and corrupton than you will ever begin to imagine or accept. My train of thought is what you great country was built on a few hundred years ago, but you don't see that either. You allow propganda to get in the way of common sence! You forefaters would be mighty upset with what america has become. A money laundering service for the worlds corrupt, the very thing your ancesters fought and died fighting against. They will be rolling in their graves. You can go back to yor shallow humor now. teying to be accepted by your peers, as long as it makes you happy I supose. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The bullshit has been unfolded for almost a decade, faux patriotism and fear of accepting one has been taken advantage of has avoided the truth from being widely accepted. How about you refute his claims rather than just saying they are worng? I suppose you still think invading Iraq was a good idea? do you care about the people that died from the 'other lies' you were told by the very same people? Do you care how much money the liers makefro such lies? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You don't quite get it do you? The experements show that the the hypotesis of NIST is false as it clearly goes against the laws of physics. VERY BASIC PHYSICS The NIST did not or chose not to consider the laws of momentum, they knew you would beleive anything they said. The freefall Accelleration of the buildings and NIST's admittance of this freefall renders the official hypothesis, unviable. I don't expect you lot to understand that, as you are too content in trying to make each other laugh at the expense of the people that have sadly perished on 9/11 and since. I thought you guys might be able to express your thoughts in a rational manner. It seem I was incorrect. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You could try reading a dictionary; Resorting to insults and peer pressure rather than rational explanation to pursuade a person is well within the scope of that definition. A hypothsis is a theory and it is based on evidence not emotion. The official hypothesis is based on assumtion, emotion and false information. The controlled demolition hypothesis is based on evidence, both visual and tangable. This evidence is available to you and everybody should you wish to pursue it, but you lot are quite happy to suggest the presentors are idiots and frauds even though they have much more respect in the field than any of you. In these debates on the subject anyone that decides to put thier thoughts in that opposes wha has been dictated to them is hassled by the 'in crowd' and subject to bigotry and ridicule. You included! where is you evidence? the NIST report? The building performance report that stops once it gets to the initiation of collapse and deems the following result as imminent global collapse? what is imminent? that is what the posted experiment explains, there is nothing imminent about the complets collapse of a steel framed building. unless it is loaded with explosives. Where is you rational, open and honest opinion stated here? or do you just jump on the back of the bandwagon to avoid such ridicule? Is that a threat? really? You and your mates might beat me up if I am honest with them about my thoughts? Your angelic and law abiding mates that are disgusted with my abuse of the system? For fucks sake Grow up! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If you could explain where any lying took place I would maybe be inclined ot beleive you, by obscuring the truth and trying to suggest I am a thief is quite appaling for someone in your position. Especially when you are clearly trying to defame me with your skewed viewpoint of what happened. Defamation of an innocent person is against the law in some places. Defamation "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

But if you witnessed for yourself that this is the case, then you would not be so ignorant would you? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I could go back and link them for you, there would be much more than 100 accounts of this. I don't intend on doing that, i was just pointing that out to the readers here to try to show them (you know who you are) that they are breaking the rules when making such comments. That type of behaviour is pure bigotry. Peer pressure and this type of name calling is partially responsable for the 'powers that be' getting away with the mass murder of 9/11 and the resulting wars. If we were allowed to express our freedom of speech and utilise our right to question without such bigotry from the start. Many people indeed may still be alive today, that are not. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So calling me a tin foil hatter does constitute a personal attack then? I request that you and the other mods show some continuity when expressing the rules and warning people. That would save me some time and will help eliminate such re-occurances. Thank you for your explanation. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Where is the line drwan? If i say you are wrong when I beleive you are wrong, is that a personal attack?\ I'm not being a smart ass, I want to know these things to avoid a repeat warning! I take the defintion of words quite literally. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

explain. I assume it is for calling M. a bigot? How would you rephraise that within the rules, if you were me? an example please. Is calling me a tin foil hatter the same thing? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

A combination of both! I like singe control lines for various reasons and that is only one of them! More control lines = more potential problems. Anyone with any experience on icarus mains with single toggles and a decent amounbt of experience will agree. It is bizzare but icarus tandems with single control lines are qute different indeed to the same canopy with dual control lines. it must have something to do with the shape of the tail during input I suppose? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So the fades etc are part of the automated process? does every thumbnail crossfade from one to another? it must be noted that we will have a leader, logos, and other informaton such as web address and photgraphs menus, and footage from the wing of the plane. (I have a very simple solution for that) Fades etc. are apparently in the pipeline, I am happy with the result now. Everything can always be better and over time they usually do! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is possible to introduce a professionaly made leader into our system and I assume it is the same with yours. It creates a slow motion presentation of the freefall after the real time full presentation has played, It also creates a menu and includes Photographs and any other features or information you might want to include. It also uploads the video to the web on a hosted website that can be linked to facebook etc. My personal opinion and obviously not yours is that repeated exits take away from the presentation. Our system also come with a bunch of legal musc to use. Is it possible to do all this with your product in a very short period of time? I'm not bragging, I may well change over to yours if it is going to give a better result! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This sounds very similar to the product I am using now, how is this different to what I am using and how does it create a more professional product? This is very valable information, I am not arguing I am very interested! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Thats what you get when you deal with amateures! Clean jumpsuits (if needed), clean plane, professional staff and a friendly and informative dimeanour. that is how it should be done. Many DZ's and TM's are too busy being cool cunts to give a shit about thier customer. Not me! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You say you answered the queston; but you failed to say where. You say you use the scientific method to make your assertions, but you fail to say how or give a direct recource to the information. You have called me many names, and you have called Stephen Jones, David Ray Griffin, David Chandler, Richard Gage... all liers and frauds and unscientific... David ray Griffin has been nominated for 2 nobel peace prizes in the last few years. Richard has the following of 1200 other architects and engineers. All these guys have concise and thourough information with valid and bonafide recources to go with them. All those guys have spent untold amounts of time producing peer reviewed journals, books, articles and numeroud other recources and you fail to acknowledge them other than calling them loonies. What have you got other than violence and personal attacks? I would like to know why we should take you seriously? You fail to show us any evidence of the scientific method, bigotry is not scientific and that is your apporach to the subject. You claim to be a engineer but you fail to show us your understanding of the subject with well written and easily understood answers. Questions are not answers, and personal attacks give me no reason to take you seriously. We are both guilty of using violence to try to offend each other and I appologise to you and everyone here for doing that while talking about this subject. It is very important that we all understand clearly what happened that day as the repercussions are effecting us exponentially in negative and sometimes irreversable ways. The 9/11 mystery is far from over, there is no bonafide culprit and there seem to be no real attemt to produce one. This is why it is important that you take this seriously, you can say whatever you want about me to me, but tha does not clarify the situation any. Lets start with a clean slate, and discuss rationally and diplomatically what our viewpoints are. Remeber this thread is about who is using the scientific method and who is basing their hypothesis on assumtion. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix