rhys

I have been pretty damned honest, dancing around semantics is all you have done. I hope I have removed all doubt, that is my intent, all that has been removed from ths conversation is any sort of explanation of your feelings, you act as if you are clear cut, but but expact me to understand your point without actually telling me what it is. I have laid my cards on the table and you are trying to bluff me after the river. Come on 'show me your cards'. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Because I was being thrifty. A month earlier we had $25,000cash, we got married, went on honeymoon in Fiji, attended a P3 bigway camp, flew to florida, obtained USPA coach ratings converted my ratings, my wife went through her tandem rating (something everybody told her she should not or could not do), we picked up 4 brand new custom vector microns we paid half price for, flew to California and arrived in Lodi with about $12500 in debt. We spent more than $30,000 while we were in the USA over a 5 month period. A few months later in Australia we were earning more than twice of what we were before, becuase we used the system to our advantage. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Wow a Phyrric victory! I'm sorry, diplomatic yes... ahem. Phyrric Victory would be a little far fetched, most would never have the audacity to so so even though it is well within thier rights, I am intriged by what it is that makes people this way but no one can actually explain what is actually wrong. What are your thoughts on monopolies? Walmart know people do it, do you really think i was being sneaky? You must at least explain your "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

That is incorrect, he determines whether jusctice has been served! Everybody wants cash now. Giving 'not enough cash' now does nothing to resolve the issue and ensure it doesn't happen again later. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you do not understand the scope of the situation. I suggest you investigate a little about how much money lawyers are making out of these law suits from these desparate people, how many have died from helping the city clean up the mess, that are dying and that will end up dying. He understands what is going on. he sees these peoples' plight day by day. He has a heart and a true sence of patriotism and freedom. Some of you guys could learn alot from a guy like him! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I did it, I was ridiculed for it, I explained to you all clearly and consisely how it is not wrong or unfair yet you all still want to persecute me. Read my post just above, maybe that will clarify your clouded judgement if what type of person you think I am. For what reason, you don't want a thrifty, savvy employee that understands the rules, respects them and likes to reduce costs? What is it that has made you make this stern judgement of me? You wouldn't last 5 minutes at my dropzone/workplace, we know how to have alot fun and take criticism from each other and make fun of ourselves. We even have a token seppo whoes nickname is 'Oklahomo' he's awesome because he gets it, that knows our ways and has just as much fun with us being ourselves not who other people want us to be. We all have oppsoing thoughts but we respect each other. You would be the object of ridicule in no time if you couldn't handle alternative opinions. I also work for one of the most successful tandem skydiving operations in the world and earn about the maximum possible as a contracting commercial skydiving instuctor ($80-100k) annually. My wife does also we are on almost $200k for skydiving. I am about to leave here and begin our own. Soon I too will be offering a very high income to people in one of the most beautiful places in the world. I will show ethic and morals while I run my dropzone, people will want to work with me, I will offer them what I have now! Not like walmart, aye! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How many people have you ever heard engage in conversation with their checkout person, about what they intend to do with anything they are purchasing? Where is my obligation to disclose my intent. Another retailer would likey ask why I was returning the goods, it would be breaking the rules, the law and morals if any deception was involved. Not many reatilers have this policy and not many have plucked my strings and assigned themselves into my 'Greedy Corrupt Cunt' category, Walmart have, with their openy public immoral conduct. In this case however the rules are clear, 'no questions asked' , in full reality I was not happy with the tent, it was fine for my needs in Lodi, but would get very wet in New Zealand. It was advertised as a 3 seasons tent. It rains while being extremely windy in summer in NZ and your camping holiday would potentially be quite miserable in that tent! This was not my point and I am not trying to justify may actions. I know that I did no wrong. If they had have told me that I would have to have a problem with the product to return it under warrantee, I would have just given it to someone. We saved a couple of grand by using it. I wanted to take advantage of them because they allow me to. It was all an excersise, such as this conversation is. That's how I roll. All you can all do is 'accuse' me of doing bad, because none of you have explained what is actually wrong, you just continue to say it is. You have made false assertions but still fail to see the point. These accusations without full investigation or sensible explanation are all too common these days. Bandwagons! Especially in here. It is quite amusing! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I needed a tent to live in for a few weeks at a dropzone whle I was visiting. My origional plan was to stay in a hotel and rent a car. I lost my drivers license 2 days before flying to the states so had to change my plans. I decided to camp and learned of the walmart policy, I learned about this policy and how i could utilise it because I said I would rather not buy from there... The tent suited my needs for northern california in the summer but wouldn't last 5 minutes in New Zealand. I had no reason to bring it back with me. I purchased from Walmart with the intent of using it and getting my money back, the tent was actually in mint condition when i returned it, I cleaned it so it looked like new. Their policy allows for this and there is nothing wrong with it. they count on this emotion we have inside that make you all feel this way about it, and guess what, they are correct. I never lied and never broke any rule, they were happy and I was happy. No worries, well maybe a worry for some self proclaimed angels in here, but walmart and me have a mutual understanding! Give them a ring if you think there is a problem, see how much they care!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

yep, if they had a tent that suited my needs and a matteress that didn't leak, if the tent was too small and tha matteress damaged they would still suggest i used them but i would rather purchase the correct size. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

a victim of thier own greed, they are the ones that made the deal, i am the one that used it. By the way I probably would do it to my parents, I don't se how thay would have a problem lending me some camping equipment, the hardest part would be convincing them that I don't need to keep it after I have used it. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hi Wendy, you are always diplomatic about your approach to debate. i respect that immensly, it is easy to get carried away but you can restrain yourself and get your point across clearly, unlike some.. As I explained I did that post those words purposfully to get a rection, thats not too hard around here. Many of the people that reacted are usual culprtit post whores. If they they were not a factor I would have looked pretty stupid but they took the bait hook ojne and sinker. I was sure of the reaction that would follow this would have been my basis of proving the knee jerkers theoris incorrect. The extent of it was humourously more than i expected, thanks for the laugh guys. Until any of you can explain what is actually imorral about what I did, rather than just throwing the term around you have failed to adress the simple point I have made all along. If you can show me where it says I am not allowed to or should not do that (come on ron, do it), then you may convince me. Until then I still propose that I was simply utilising an offer that had been presented to me. It seems to me you lot for the most part are obviously too capricious or meek to do such things as you care too much about what people think about you, rather than what is actually right or wrong! This is all to common in society today and is a major contributing factor in the rising social, environmental and econimical probelms we currently face! I'm sure you would all like a free ride, but wal mart are betting you won't! Go on treat yorself, on walmart! Whatever you choose. If you only do it once (as i did) you will never have a problem. I almost wish I had been a little more luxurious now! but i'm not greedy! Ha ha ha! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Seeing you are so outspoken about your thoughts, how about you explain them? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Don't ever trust anyones judegment other than you own, simply be honest with yourself and others and you should be fine. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

what has been undiplomatic about my aproach to this conversation? i have been compared to hooker slapin rapists, murderers, fraudsters, and told I have been braking the law when I have not, I used the system to my advantage. It is no worse than finding $5 and not taking it to the police station to see if someone lost it, the parody there is that you would not embarress yourself by doing that either, would you return $5 to the police station if you found it on the street? Be honest with yourself people! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Sure, next there will be some random car bombings in Iran, next thing you got that war you always wanted. Fuck they’ve got some oil! Now ‘we’ve’ got them surrounded and all ‘our’ shit is in place, might as well pull out of Iraq and get straight in there. By the way have your mates managed to get Bin Ladin on the FBI wanted list for 911 atrocity yet? Or who is it you're after for that, what is going on these days? What’s the purpose of all this. I got to hold one of those falcons only a couple of months ago, at a banquet in the dessert hosted by the prince of Dubai, he has a wind tunnel at his house. And evidently he can fly quite well in it, Cool huh!

Huh, at last a worthy person with an oyster between their ears, thank you! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So i quite literally say "I don't want these anymore" she says "fine" takes the products and gives me my money. Then continues to tell me what a wonderful country New Zraland is as her husband is a New Zealander. We chatted for a few minutes more and wished each other a nice day. No fraud there, no malice, I don't dislike her or anyone that works there, but I hate the directors of the company for the above stated reasons! never mantioned that to her I just said (and I'll repeat); Where is the fraud? What theft? How did I ever decieve them. There was never a question or agreement of what I ever intended to do with the products when I purchased them, nor any question of why I was returning them. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Call me blind, I failed to see what you are talking about, he has made some false assertions but has not clarified anything. If you can please cut and paste the sentence you refer to, I can explain in detail my thoughts, but your post is ambiguious. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have no clue of the skyride situation, once again an irelevant topic. You, can blat on like quade for hours if you want about how wrong you think i am, but both of you have failed to explain what it is that you think it is that I have done wrong. I'm am a fraud and a thief supposedly, but why, maybe dave can tell us he's a cop? Nah he'd rather comment about it in personal attack in a different thtread about a different subject. come on you guys explain... How is it wrong, immoral, against the law or fraudulent? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you are speed reading again arent you! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Instead of using tpyical tactics of not referring to the subject at all and referring to another that you seem to have no intention on disputing, I challenge you to explain yourself in the apropriate thread! you know what one it is dave This thread has nothing to do with what you just said, keep on track please! That was no more than a pathetic personal attack and it shows you inability to explain yourself and discuss such topics diplomatically. Quite a role model for a cop arent you! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Can you clarify where you beleive I was fraudulent? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Not a pseudo patriot that cares more about sealing the deal than what is right and what is wrong. source "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you have made it clear that you think it is unethical. Would you care to explain why? Without ambiguous analogies, explain directly what is morally wrong with what I did, I'm interested. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Your analogies are whats silly, you are comparing a completely legal situation to blatantly violent criminal activity, you'll have to try harder than that i'm afraid. Weak at best! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix