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this has nothing to do with religon, it is to do with nuclear power and threats. http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/destroycaps.html http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=And+I+can+assure+you+that++this+will+happen+before+Israel+goes+under.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a who are attacking innocent civilains with military force? USA and Isreal there are others but they are the most prominent, Iran is a mostly peacful nation. I do not agree with amny of thier philosiphies but Bombing them would be a very very stupid thing to do. Hypocritical and stupid. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

That is the understatement of the century. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This reply I got personally from Professor Jones when I asked if the dust samples could have come from more official sources; Now you have to ask yourself, why access to such matter is denied. They spent million supposedly researching it and someone is doing it for free and they are scared of that. Why Becasue they are drylabbing criminals that will be executed when the truth unfolds. High treason is punishable by the death penalty. And these people sure deserve it, however many of them there are. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

What have Iran done that is a concern to you? You have Israel, that have vowed to take everybody down with them if they are attacked, are undergoing genocide as we speak, and have a nuclear arsenal powerful enough to put the shits up any mega power, and you are scared of a nation that has not done anything. Be honest with yourself. Even if they did want a nuclear weapon 9which they don't), what is to say they cannot have one? I am against nuclear weapons but with the seppo army surrounding them, who fucking blames them. you'r counry is the rogue state that goes around attacking and killing innocent civilians in the name of cheap (stolen) minerals/energy. you set the precedent, why can;t they protect thmseves? They have repeatedly said they do not want nuclear weapons, they want nuclear energy and have said that they will cease uranium enrichment if they are supplied the necessary material to produce energy. You military lobbyists are so fucking transparent, this is almost like a deja vu from when you wanted to go to iraq, and we all now how that has panned out don't we. Fucking idiots. Really, you need to stop listening to this propoganda and just admit it is the minerals you(they) are after (you get nothing but a spit in the face afterwards). At least if you were honest you would be taken more seriously. It is inevitable that you guys will invade Iran, it has been part of the status quo for some time now, this propoganda is to give the apathetic a reason to support the invasion and give you lobbyists some fuel to get the fire going. you are a puppet on a string and you fall for it every time. This move will likely be the end of the united states of america as we know it, the powers that be know this, but you just go along with it like an un-knowing and willing puppet. Don't you think you have enough problems in your own country to worry about? sheesh, get a grip bro. I am glad I am here in my secluded corner of the globe, this can of worms will be something quite different to Iraq or Afghanistan. are you ready to lose you country over some hunch (lie)? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You can buy from NZ aero sports or icarus spain. Not sure if there is a price difference. price fluctuates with the american dollar, as many of the materials come from there, the exchange rate is good at the moment with the weak US dollar so a good time to by from NZ... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If you are near Sydney, book an hour with dimitri at the Olympic Park Gymnastics facility he is amazing, he is a skydiver but most importantly he used to coach the Russian/soviet olympic gymnasics team. He showed us probably the best core strength excecise you can do, simply lie on the ground and roll over slowly and continually keeping your hips as the only point of contact, arms straight out above your head. your shoulders, feet and knees should not touch the ground during the motion. It is simple but do it for 1 minute and your core is buggered, roll one way for a while then the other. the rolling motion moves the emphasis through all the core muscle groups. he was inspirational to watch, ever seen someone bounce on a trampoline while doing a handstand? he is/was $120 an hour. he will teach you layouts and twists etc etc. well worth the education for at least one session. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I am using another system very similar to this that is being released very soon. It has its own host and player though and embeds to your website and sends an email to the customer with a link to the video. Can you combine avchd and mp4 footage on that system? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Go back to the table and read it more clearly, look a the 'iron - 03' and 'iron - 04' column and read the description. the word 'sphere' generally means 'sphere' wouuld you not agree? then when you scroll across to the photo column, you will see the word 'yes', that yes is a link to a photo of an example of the sphere. The rest of your post is moot (in the obsolete sense) as this descibes pefectly what you asked for. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

the scientists have asked numerous times for samples from NIST and government depatrments, but guess what. they are not allowed any. If you beloved government agencies that are all squeaky clean and so correct have nothing to hide and want to make sure an event like this never happens again, they would allow access to such materials. Instead they keep them behind lock and key. these observations are repeatable, each sample was collected from independant sources, and each showed the same results. there is a mountain of that dust available for observation. these obsevations are very repeatable. You are now down to saying that these samples are not samples from the WTC dust, and that the thermite was planted. That is a weak and unsubstanciated argument. You could have just said that all along but you didn't you were forced to say that as you cannot refute the paper and its findings. your ethic is dubious. predictible, so predictable that the answer to your reply was published in one of articles i linked to in this thread. maybe if you actually read stuff you would be spared these embaressing moments. you mistake elemental iron for iron oxide and say I have no clue. Iron rich spheres are not the same as iron oxide. try again sherlock. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

haha, he is down the toilet and he still owes me, and plenty of other poeple, a couple of grand. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Not in jims case, ex boy friends. haha he is a raging fudgepacker. His ex wife did filter a fair bit though... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

funnily enough, I am. Shame is that the seppos wont go down without a fight. China have been handed it out on a silver platter. I bet there is nobody on here that does not have at least a dozen things made in China. and choose chinese prducts over locally produced items because of price. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

how do you suggest the origins are untracable; haha and your definative statement is based on what evidence? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The source of the samples is enough to cast doubt? how so? What are you implying? The paper included all that you say it should, but you didn't even take the time to read it before you discredited it, did you? All this because you are acting out of emotion and not commmon sense. It is bizzare that you ask this, when it is clearly published in the journal, Bill askes for evidence of the iron spheres which is also publised in the journal. So not only do you ignore the evidence you also ignore the journal itself, yet you wish to discredit it. You call scientists that have the time and energy to creates shuch a journal idiots, lyers and nutcases, yet you suggest we take you seriously when you havn't even taken the time to read it. You are not worth the energy pal. An you fancy yourself as an engineer, what a joke. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

iron spheres are produced by melting iron, the melting point of iron is what Bill? or how else do you suggest the spheres were formed.? you asked for evidence of the spheres, I gave it to you then you get on with your straw man argument based on ignorance. that is quite expected however, but I did show you what you asked for. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The evidence of iron rich shperes that Bill asked for. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Can you show me where i said it was easy to ignite? It can be ignoted with a blow torch and a laser, this does not define an easy ignition. you said take a sample of dirt, and loo at it and it will give you the same results. you lied, it would only be possible if there were red grey chips of unexploded nano thermite in the dirt, but the dirt itself is not an example of the carbon matrix that holds the aluminium dust and the iron oxide dust to gether with the other trace elements that make up the thermitc composition. Your guess is a good as mine, and explosion maybe. Do not expect me to answer questions that remain unanswered by your government. Acoording to NIST they did not look for explosives becasue there was not enough sound in the audio of the video recordings to do so. Probing for residues from pyrotechnic materials including thermite in particular, is specified in fire and explosion investigations by the NFPA 921 code. If NIST had done thier job and not dry labbed a result they wished for, then thay would answer that question as that is what they were paid $50,000,000 to do. "Hi everybody, i commited treason and have made enormous amounts of money out of it, I live in luxury but i feel so bad that I thought I eould come clean and face the death penalty now". But seriously, just because people applied such substances, does not necessarily mean the knew what they were applying. the fireproofing upgrades and elevator upgrades in the years leading up to the attcks could easily explain the access to do such a job, the fireproofing itself could have been this substance. but that is speculation and that is what you are requestion fo me to go off on some tangent. the fact remains that this highly explosive substance exists, and if it was planted in the samples then it would be easy to prove that. the official investigators are not willing to venture into looking for explosives as they seem to be that aware that terrorists do not use explosives in terrorist attacks or anything that is capable of demolishing a building would have to produce a loud noise, so looking for them is unwarrented? yet fire alone is supposed to be capable of such destruction. where is the continuity? maybe you have some parrellel universe where you have refuted these claims, but you have not shown us here this evidence, you just lay claim to it. Bill is the only one that has attempted to show us evidence, but unfortunatly it was of somthing completely different to what was asked of him. you bring nothing but words to an argument, I have evidence. I see you are going with the, it was planted thing, then how do you prove it was planted? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How about you reply to his evidence that you specifically asked for. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html or are you going to ignore it completely. I find it difficult to descibe ingnorance without using the term ignorant. When someone ignores something repeatedy , like you have in this debate, how do you suggest I describe that dimenour? If I can be called a nut job, a tin hatter, or an idiot over and over when these claims are unsubstanciated, and unchallenged, it does seem a little one sided when I point out verifiable actions of someone and I am warned about it while blatent PA based on nothing but emotions is overlooked. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

are you going to ignore that bill? or is it open slather now? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hi DJ, I do appreciate it that there is somone else willing to ask questions, but please do not fall for the straw man techniques these guys 'always use' to take you away from points thay cannot refute. This thread is designed to get them to admit that they cannot ignore the evidence of explosive residue and unignited incindiaries in the rubble and dist of the collapses. There are plenty of threads on these other matters that have been debated in detail, and as the goal posts have been moved plenty of times since these argument began it 'would' be interesting to see how these debates would stand up with current information. This thread however is about the Nano thermite paper, and you are just letting these poor people with no real integrety detract from the subject they are cornered in. It does not matter how bad of a speller I am, how shit my typing is or how much experience in the scientifc fields thay have, by ignoring tangible, photographed, documented, and published evidence they are being ignorant, notice how none of them can refute that. They can call names, thay can use straw man arguments but they cannot address the point. All the things you are talking about have been discussed before, and they always come up with some excuse, but this time they are stumped. Please keep to the subject of thermite and it's residues in this thread please. There is a plethora of other threads that include the subjects you have mentioned. It is good to see not everyone in this forum is a sell out. Good on ya! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

hey guy, HOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS, that is the composition I am talking about, I am aware that iron microsherses 'could' be generated by another process, but nano thermite can ONLY be produced in a lab. Ignoring the thermite is ignorant, and you keep doing so. Such as bill does, this does nothing for the credibility of your argument. Unless you address this composition and not conveniently going back to talking about silica spheres, which have nothing to do with the evidence we are supposed to be discussing, then I will not reply to your points. Straw man tactics are used to move the subject away from the point, this is what you are doing. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The probelm with you theory there is that you use the assumtion that traditional domolition processes would have had to have been used. The evidence in the reside which is discussed here in this paper explains that this is obviously not the case. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

maybe so, but your silica rich speres are not the same as the irion rich microspheres and your efforts still fail to adress the actual presence of thermite, unreacted thermite. True tangible evidence tat you are willing to ignore. You have a paper on how hollow silica spehres are created, and ignore the presence of iron rich spheres in the WTC dust. You also ignore the thermite itself, again! so you are creating a strawman argument based on ignorence. You showed me pictures and documentation of spheres that were transparent and hollow, the iron spheres are opaque and solid with a completely different composition. Then there is also the thermite itself you seem to continually ignore. Incorrect the spheres we saw were not transparent or translucent, they are opaque and solid as seen in this paper http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html These spheres are attracted to a magnet and are easily extraced from the dust using one. I doubt your ceramic spheres would be attracted to a magnet. if so do you have evidence of that? And then of course there is the unreacted thermite you continue to ignore... T These speres are a byproduct of an aluminothermitic reaction. simple. you too can understand that if you choose to do so. they are documented in various journals and by the USGS analysis of the dust. I even showed you a photo of a sphere attached to the thermite chip. you ignored it. Oh thats right, you just ignored it and said it was dirt? http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html You'll find evidence of that description in the above publication. I have also already given you plenty of reference to them, but i suppose 'everybody' that researches something other than what the official story tells us is a nut job, and thier references are invalid for that reason? What is the point of science if everybodies research is not acknowledged. Ignoring evidence is ignorant pseudo science. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The Australian dollar is consistently worth more than the $US now for a week running, the NZ dollar is at 79 c the canadian @ .99 What is going to be cooked up this time to ditract from the inevitable? The American empire is falling on its ass. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Yes whackjobs that have been nominated for nobel peace prizes and named among the most important people of the century...yep simple whatckjobs. Read the original post/rant of this thread and tell me who is talking about government conspiracies. ypou are like a skitzo or something to-ing and fro-ing between your beleifs, at least I show some continuity. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix