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Some opinions are better than others.. Every criminal has some sort of grudge... that is self evident. All we know is that he claims he doesn't have a grudge against Northwest Airlines.. if he did he might have just said so.. why not.

Everybody has a grudge.. even a greedy thief. I doubt it was purely political..

It wasn't plural is was possessive.. Both airline and airlines is used.. The FBI docs also use the proper name.

Tree landing.. Similar terrain, mixed open and trees..

I did find a suspicious object on one of the twelve piles, it is either a piece of rubber band or a piece of a bill.. However, it disappeared on later images of the pile so it fell off whatever it was. Gone.

Ceiling was 5000 ft,, broken clouds and intermittent rain.. the jump was at 10000 feet but the terrain range was about 500-1200 ft. elevation. He probably could not see the ground but could see the brightest lights. He would know if he was over Vancouver/Portland. Titanium/Antimony balls,,, but the witnesses said he wasn't a bad ass type. An unmemorable geeky guy.. not mentally ill either,, most hijackers were mentally ill. It sure sounds like it was something done by somebody who didn't really care about himself any longer, a jump right into the blind unknown... maybe at late 40's he was extremely desperate for money or had a terminal disease.

The FBI got the micro in the same order as given to Cooper, they re-ordered it alphanumerically for the release to the public,, we have never seen the original order. Tom was not given the original order and couldn't find it. In the image of the twelve bundles we can assume two of those were top bills because one of the packets was missing bills. I have tried to reassemble the twelve piles into three packets based on shape but it is tough. The top left one was probably a top one. There is no indication of rubber bands on these. This is that top left pile.. that line is not a rubber band it the flipped over image of a White House pillar. I think it was Tosaw's book,, he said there were rubber bands on only two of three packets.. that is consistent with rubber bands bundling three packets together. If the rubber bands were used on the bundle of 3 packets then there would be one packet with no rubber band frags, one with rubber band frags on the top bill and one with rubber band frags on the bottom bill... The FBI only has about 14 bills, some have deteriorated further. The packing cards,, I did a FOIA for the packing cards, the FBI said check the FBI vault, they will put anything there. The cut shroud lines might have DNA but they have been handled by many people. The chute at the Wash Museum might have Cooper's DNA.. long shot though. The best chance for new evidence is do a new DNA analysis of the tie, you might get 20 profiles now.. but if it wasn't Cooper's tie, that may not even help. He left the tie.. but that requires $$ and the co-operation of the FBI and they don't seem interested in solving this.

Tom looked for info on them back when he had access.. he found nothing. Nothing in any of the later released files. There is no evidence of rubber bands collected with the money, all we have is the Ingram's statements about the condition of the TBAR money.. I know you want new evidence but it isn't coming. It has been over 50 years.. we have to work with what we have.

Bands are long gone, nothing new will be generated... unfortunately.

The hot environment was most likely from being in the sand. Sand can get hot.. "Climate and Average Weather Year Round in Portland Oregon, United States. In Portland, the summers are short, warm, dry, and mostly clear and the winters are very cold, wet, and overcast. Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from 36°F to 84°F and is rarely below 26°F or above 95°F." "Sand can be over 100 degrees Fahrenheit when the outside temperature is only 75 degrees; indeed, when the ambient temperature is 90 degrees, the sand can be over 120 degrees. " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970441/

We have nothing on Cooper after he was seen on the plane.. He could have died in the jump, but not likely based on jump data, conditions and experts... or he could have died within a year,, we have no idea.. the speculation on that is wide open.. I just don't think that unknown can be used to support the idea that he died in the jump. There are too many unknown unknowns.

That isn't a fair comment.. I shifted to a survival bias before I had a suspect... That shift was solely based on getting a better understanding on jump data, evidence, conditions and expert opinions. I had thought landing in a forest was deadly, that isn't the case. The terrain was mixed and landing in a tree isn't a big problem. The lack of confirmed evidence on the ground is and always has been irrelevant.

Flight 370 is not even close,,, Cooper was trying to disappear undetected, the plane passengers were not. The plane had limited fuel, it had to come down.. the probability was very high that it crashed in the ocean.. and the passengers were dead. The plane landing on some Island was extremely unlikely.. The "obvious" here is the most likely conclusion.. Nothing like Cooper.. he was trying to not be detected. The "obvious" for Cooper is the most likely based on the jump conditions not lack of substantiated evidence on the ground.. What you claimed "to assume the obvious" is really a subjective opinion not based on evidence. Most people start there and drift toward survival as they learn more about the case. Cooper was not a lost hiker, he wanted to disappear..

A poor analogy, the plane disappearing had to have crashed in the Ocean.. those people were not trying to evade notice. The missing passengers can be presumed dead. Cooper once on the ground was trying to escape notice, so a missing Cooper or no body does not mean he died. To draw the conclusion that no body supports Cooper dying in the jump is not logical.

Vultures are different from Buzzards but they are often conflated.. Washington State has both. I found this area and it is a bit far from the flightpath.. 12-13 miles East.. circling buzzards/vultures is common.

dudeman17,, I have a question for you, one that has always intrigued me.. Put yourself in Cooper's position.. you are at the end of the stairs looking into broken clouds you can see the brightest lights but not the ground. Where or when do you jump, if you pick a dark patch that might be water,, too bright and you land in a city.. What is the thought process and physical process to the jump and timing of the pull.. what would you do? FWW.. Hahneman went down the stairs and off backwards..

Nobody here has ever made the argument the no body meant he couldn't have died... that I can recall. Maybe, some on the facebook group.. I don't read it. The last place he was seen was on the plane.. not in the woods.

I think you have put yourself in a logic trap.. There are two distinct points here.. Premise A, The jump was very survivable in those conditions and terrain,, yes, very survivable if he pulled and a no pull is very rare. Premise B, There was no evidence found.. no body, no chute. You have combined them to conclude B negates A..... this is logically incorrect. Whereas, the negation of B (body is found) negates A (survival).. is True. but we have, the affirmation of B (no body) negates A (survival) is not True. There could be many reasons why nothing was found that don't include Cooper dying in the jump. Cooper dying in the jump is primarily determined by wether he pulled or not and not because a body was not found.

The general thought pattern for new Cooper people is that they initially believe he most likely died in the jump but as they learn more they shift toward survival.. that is based on learning the data and information from jumpers.. not from wanting him to have survived. Take the jump in isolation, set aside the other variables like money find, search, missing people and no body.. in Cooper's jump conditions, over that terrain the jump was very survivable if he pulled. The primary determinant for life or death for Cooper was whether he pulled or not. It is possible he pulled and died but that is a very low probability. When you fold in all the other variables it becomes a complex system that can't be analyzed easily or even linearly.

but it wasn't a risky jump if he pulled the ripcord,, I thought that it was for a long time but the data and jumpers convinced me that the jump itself in those conditions was easily survivable.

Letterman's stuff landed on concrete.. It depends where you land, there are a lot of soft spots out there, if you land in a tree or vegetation or in a field there would be something with an unopened chute and a money bag. It is possible he landed in water or in deep brush that nobody can check though it is a low probability.. Even if he was splattered the chute and money bag would be out there.. But the problem you have to get there is it requires him failing to pull the ripcord.. that is very unlikely. Jumpers have said that if he pulled the ripcord he most certainly survived.. So, your died in the jump theory hinges more on whether he pulled the ripcord or not rather than finding a body.

The ride example is not meant to be specific but an example that Cooper may have given money to somebody after the jump.. and that money ended up in river. Tom originally tossed that out.. it is not one of my theories. All other parachuting hijackers survived.. the military jump data is strong for survival.. the fact is if he pulled his survival rate is very high. It wasn't necessarily woods.. the area is mixed with open fields.. I always thought a tree landing would be fatal,, but that isn't true, I learned that a tree landing isn't a big deal. The area is not that remote. If his chute didn't open there would be a body with a chute.. not finding it leans toward survival but not conclusive. Missing person is a push,, doesn't mean anything. But, the chute may have been found and ruled out based on Cossey's wrong description.. So, we can't actually claim nothing was found, nothing was confirmed, big difference. I think his survival based solely on the conditions is in the high 90's... if he pulled he survived. Toss in the other variables and it gets more complicated.

Huh,, I never said anything about the money being dry that was Georger, take it up with him, What's on second... and I am right about the current.. after a bend the current is driven toward the opposite side. If you don't think the money could have come from the River then you are not being objective.