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Boom.. we know the money was wet. You have said for years that there was no evidence on the money of paper straps so they didn't exist.. I said they would have completely dissolved in a short time leaving no trace.. which is true.. You LIED when you said Tina meant "rubber bands" she was contacted and asked.. and I am correct about the river current... I never said TBAR is on the turn, it is after. The turn causes the current to head toward the E side right at TBAR not the West side as R99 claimed. That is what rivers do.. So, everything you contribute is a lie or a distortion or a smear and now you want to play the victim.. Why are you even here, all you do is undermine and fight the advancement of this case.. For you and R99 to claim the money could not come from the River is as insane as Ulis's crazy burial/retrieval theory... It is outside the realm of objectivity.

I used to think it was more likely Cooper died, now less likely. The jump was very survivable if he pulled based on jump data. Hard to imagine he couldn't pull. Possible but not likely. No body was found and you have to move the LZ further South to have him land in the Columbia, the evidence does not support this. It is also hard to imagine Cooper intentionally jumping over a city. If he landed in Lake Merwin or the Lewis the TBAR money gets very hard to explain. So, for Cooper to have died, his body would have to be undiscovered with the chute but the money somehow got moved to the Columbia River and TBAR.. of course that is possible but less likely. Cooper could have landed safely with the money,, if for example,, he paid some random guy for a ride,, the guy gets nervous and tosses the money in the River... or he gave money to a stew and that money ended up in the River.. IMO, the most likely is Cooper landed safely between the Lewis and Battleground and either lost some/all of the money or he gave some to somebody at some point. That money ended up in the Columbia.

It is clear you don't actually read my posts I have explained this already. The money spot would be under water when the money was deposited,, it did not have to travel 20 feet up the beach. but you are completely wrong, when a River turns the flow hits and is directed across to the other side because the inside moves faster.

But I don't see Cooper himself throwing money into the River.. he worked for that money,,, if it was tossed it probably wasn't Cooper but somebody else who either found some money in the woods or got it from Cooper. There was a very messy dump site a few miles upstream of TBAR that was right on a waterway that was connected to the River.. possible but a long shot.

Yes, we don't know for certain but the most probable is that the money came from the River. To claim it could not have is intellectually dishonest and outside the bounds of objectivity. They have a bias. When the most likely or probable challenges their construct they reject it to maintain that construct. Georger even resorted to a lie about Tina and even suggested the money wasn't wet.. that paper bands would have left evidence after years,, ridiculous mental gymnastics.. R99 and Ulis need to move the flightpath, they have not done that. Ulis's burial/retrieval theory is silly. Even if Cooper somehow managed to be on TBAR nobody buries money in the sand at the high water line of a River.. there are millions of better places to bury or hide money.. then the retrieval,, just ridiculous, Eric doesn't realize the money spot was well underwater by April 72.. He just made up something to fit his narrative and even adapted it when the diatom stuff came out.. We can think up many scenarios that are far more plausible than those.. The question.. How.. When did it get into the River and Why did it go into the River. It that all the money that went into the River or only part... Was it intentional, accidental, human, nature or both... Why would somebody intentionally toss the money into the River,, only if they perceived it as a liability. But when, was there a delay.. If there was a delay it probably wasn't Cooper himself. Why would somebody other than Cooper perceive the money as a liability?? So, maybe it was accidental.... it got into the River unintentionally.. then how.. an event. Or did a bundle fall off the plane and end up in the River later?

Nope, not true. I have read reports that there is lots of debris at TBAR,, but I also studied river flow and two things are apparent.. The bend in the Columbia where it turns North causes the current to cross to the East side,, the flow pushes debris to the East side toward TBAR.. and it can even push debris up a slope if underwater, the current can actually accelerate. If the water was above the money spot which is about 5.5-7.5 ft.. it would effectively be the bottom. The money suspended in the River gets pushed along the bottom to its spot. The River is at its highest in wait for it.......... Spring. One test that would be valuable is to see what a bundle of packets does when it sinks.. how buoyant is it.. money would only be slightly heavier than the water so it wouldn't take much to move it.

Right, but there are parameters which theories must fit.. The problem for 50 years was a faulty premise,, that the money must have only arrived on TBAR as 3 separate packets. All TBAR theories had to fit that premise, that restricted us, but it was not true. So, now we can come up with more accurate theories and rank them based on plausibility, will we be able to prove it,, I don't think so. To advance knowledge we theorize or speculate then test or analyze,, if the premise was wrong restricting our theories then we can't advance the case. The three people fighting this are.. Ulis advocating a human burial.. Georger secretly advocating the suction dredge.. and R99 with a landing above TBAR and wash down.. All of those theories are more supported by either the money in the bag and/or the packets being individual. This is simple logic... if the packets were in 100's as the evidence indicates then they were given to Cooper rubber banded into bundles of packets and that is how it landed on TBAR. There is no evidence that the packets were not in 100's,, none.

1. False. Not the money itself but how it got there which must fit the evidence has the potential to lead to a suspect. 2. True 3. The three packets were not connected by paper or rubber bands when they were found. Nobody said they were. The money was given to Cooper in bundles of several packets and landed on TBAR that way when the rubber bands broke the bundles separated slightly. 4. That doesn't sound likely,,, I don't really know why the money was torqued other than it must have occurred before it became congealed. 5. Possible but not necessary, the money was not in individual packets but packets were rubber banded into bundles, that indicates the TBAR money arrived as one bundle of several packets so arrival in a container like the money bag is not necessary. 6. The River is the most likely source for arrival of the money. Your claim that it would only be on the other side is just false and sounds silly. If you look at the bend in the River and flow debris ends up on TBAR. 7. I have not ignored any basic physics whatsoever. You have.

The irony is that doesn't even matter.. any of those could be true or none of them.. evidence indicates paper bands but that is not even necessary for this.. it compliments the conclusion. If the money was in packets of 100's as the evidence shows then Georger has lost.. done. The money was rubber banded into random numbers of packets per bundle. <<< that is the key. So, for his sanity and so we don't have to deal with this years old nonsense Georger needs to go evaluate and rethink all the facts, return back and show us the evidence that proves the packets were not in 100's but were in a random count of bills.. He can't, there is no evidence because the packets were in 100's.. Unfortunately, this Georger thing has gone on for years and will continue... others have finally got this and it is best to ignore Georger.

You always make it personal,,, it isn't about me, it is the facts that you can't handle. This is really simple, you just can't understand it.

Same old crap.. you are in a hole you should have stopped digging years ago. Clearly, this issue is way above your head.

TBAR money find clip,,, pieces found within 4 or 5 feet of the original money. tbarmoneytrim.mov

Yes, even Tom suggested something like that... There are lots of theories that can be dreamed up, so it comes down to the most plausible... I have several good theories, two of the them have the potential to lead to a suspect.. long shot though. and as I have said TBAR will likely never be proven, just a bunch of theories.. What it does do is weaken theories like the dredge and a human burial.. and opens up other theories. The TBAR single bundle also moves the needle slightly away from Cooper died in the jump theories.. you don't need the money bag.. For 50 years,, the dominant TBAR analysis has been constrained by the false belief that the money could have only arrived together as separate packets. More about the money is that one packet was very twisted or torqued before it congealed.. and the holes appear to be limited to only one packet.

Nice, credit to NickyB for trying,,, but Tina may have reasons for not being truthful. We'll see and we'll know.

Wasting your time,, there is no new evidence,, Georger was given all the evidence and the argument years ago.. his stubborn ego just just won't accept it. He actually lied and made up evidence to maintain his position. He claims Tina meant rubber bands. The evidence supports paper bands but is not even the real issue. The point is simple, based on the evidence the money had to be in packets of 100's, if the money was made random in count that could only have been the bundles of several packets rubber banded together. Exactly what Himmelsbach said. So, the money went to Cooper rubber banded into bundles of random packet counts. That is consistent with how the TBAR money was found,, one single bundle of several packets. TBAR as one single bundle is the parameter by which theories should evolve. For Georger to maintain his position he must prove the money was not in packets of 100 bills.. he can't because they weren't. He doesn't even understand that is the keystone.

Georger, You don't understand the evidence or the issue, you never have.. are you now claiming the money never got wet.. the crap you make up to maintain your position up never ends,, There were rubber band frags on the money, they were from the bundle not the packet. Ingrams confirm existence of rubber bands. The rubber band vs paper bands on the packets is largely irrelevant.. The takeaway is that the packets had to be in 100 bills each.. they were not a random count as CKRET believed. That means the money went to Cooper rubber banded into randomized bundles of several packets. Confirmed by Himmelsbah and bank 302's. And that means the money that landed on TBAR was one single bundle as the FBI claimed. that changes the means by which the money arrived on TBAR.. If the packets were in a single bundle and not individual,, The money did not have to arrive in a container like the money bag. The dredge theory is extremely weak and virtually eliminated... The premise for the human burial theory is gone... that is why Ulis is still fighting this. So, now we need to look at TBAR theories that fit.. The money arrives as one single bundle. The "FBI" flightpath is maintained. Cooper jumped between the Lewis R and Battleground. and the diatoms indicate a delay with the money entering the River in a Spring.

SHHHH, don't tell anybody.. Actually that stamp was a common one from 1972.. A few of the "Cooper" letters to the FBI had the same stamp, maybe because it looks cool with a plane on it.

Paul Cini was Canadian but moved in with relatives in NJ.. he later joined the US military..

Funny, the 3 stooges was top of mind and an inside joke from Shutter's forum.. When I called them the 3 stooges R99, Georger and Meyer Louie were ganging up on me trying to get me kicked off the forum for bringing up the rubber band issue. Meyer threatened to beat me up, Georger and R99 lobbied Shutter to have me removed.. Shutter actually sent me a message telling me to shut up about the rubber bands.. Cancel culture Vortex style.. at that time they all thought each of the 3 TBAR "packets" were a random count and rubber banded but I knew that based on the evidence that didn't make sense.. they couldn't understand the difference between packets and bundles. For the record I don't actually claim they are the real three stooges.. but the rubber band issue is a never ending who is on first episode..

I am done with you guys.. such a waste of time. I have explained this so many times and you guys still don't grasp the issue, you can't even articulate a counter argument addressing the facts. You use a logical fallacy claiming Carr the authority when he was clearly wrong about randomized packet counts.. the bill count error PROVES that Carr didn't understand what the Bank guy meant. You even lied about evidence. I cannot fathom the sheer ignorance going on here and for so long over this.. why? to maintain your dredge theory? who cares.. It is so ridiculous I almost think you guys are faking it.

It isn't my view, it is the evidence that you seem to ignore. Many sources said the money was in 100's ($2000) per packet. but it makes no sense for the packets to be randomized. The FBI said the TBAR money was in the same order and packaging as given to Cooper.. The FBI had the micro which was in physical order made long before NORJAK,, If the packets were "randomized" then there is no way the order would match the micro. The packets were not randomized and in 100 bills = $2000.. If the packets were not randomized then it could only have been the bundles of several packets.. and those could only be held together with rubber bands.... the rubber bands found on the TBAR money. There is no way around this. Check Mate.

Why do I have to read this patronizing nonsense... Georger's post are incoherent enough. The Dan Cooper comic test pilot "character" was initially based on or inspired by test pilot George Cooper.. that doesn't mean the stories are about him. Everybody knows the money was circulated $20's and in random serial number order.. They were in packets of 100 bills per packet = $2000 per packet. NOT A RANDOM COUNT. The evidence indicates those packets were wrapped with paper bank bands, but rubber band frags were found on the money. Carr INCORRECTLY believed that the packets of 100 bills ($2000) were randomized in count, so there may be $500 or $1000 per packet, he claimed. THIS WAS COMPLETELY WRONG.. This false belief meant that Carr assumed they were rubber banded because the bank guy said he rubber banded the bundles into random counts. Carr screwed this up and the ignorance and confusion just won't end.. The bank guy was referring to the bundles not the packets. The rubber bands were used for the bundles not the packets. Carr was correct that the money was randomized in count but he was wrong claiming the packets were randomized. So, you might have random number 3, 4, 5 or 6 packets of 100 bills ($2000) per packet rubber banded into a single rubber banded bundle.. The bundles of several packets were randomized NOT the packets of 100 bills. How many times do we have to go through this 3 stooges whose on first skit.

WOW, found out some interesting stuff on the DAN COOPER comic,, found a list of all the editions that were printed in Mexico in Spanish for Latin America... but it looks like the fictional Canadian test pilot DAN COOPER was inspired by aka "copied" from a real US test pilot from 1945-1973 named George Cooper who was the chief test pilot at NASA. They changed the character to be Canadian to be more acceptable internationally, never published in english or officially distributed it in the US. Much more on this later... there is a nexus.. https://history.arc.nasa.gov/hist_pdfs/cooper_bio_20120724.pdf

This screed proves once again that you don't understand the issue.. Nobody is challenging the fact that the Ingrams claimed rubber band fragments were found on the money.. that is not the issue. The issue is where did they come from, the packet or the bundle. Carr talked to bank guy who said the bundles were rubber banded,, but Carr believed each packet of 100 was made random and rubber banded,,, this is false, he got packets and bundles mixed up. You are correct, you have no idea what is going on.. you don't understand the issue and the evidence. Carr, Kaye or the Ingrams can't help you.. they do not know and can't reconcile the evidence supporting paper bank bands and the rubber band frags found on the money... The only logical answer based on the evidence we have which was also confirmed by Himmelsbach is that the packets of 100 were paper bank banded and those packets were rubber banded into random sized bundles.. With no evidence you claim there were no paper bands at all and even claim that Tina's "bank style bands" means rubber bands... and Himmelsbach was wrong and Tosaw was wrong and Pringle was wrong and the 302's were wrong... but Carr who got the randomization of the bundles completely wrong is the authority on this... You have no argument, none, because you haven't got a clue what is going on. So, you still attack me personally.. but unlike the last few years,, now everybody, not just me, believes they were paper bank bands except you and Ulis.. Good luck.

Here, Pringle,, "It's all from one bundle".. (3 packets) "Cooper had been given several bundles" declined to say how many... (about 20) "There is certain information known only to us and the hijacker" (the packaging) Well, was Cooper given 100 packets or about 20 randomized bundles?? If he wasn't given 100 individual packets of 100 bills then rubber bands had to be used for the randomized bundles.