FLYJACK

BS... ZERO evidence he had a compass,, even if he did it wouldn't make a difference. The plane actually flew approximately.. 204 degrees then about 153 degrees..

You guys are so desperate,,, Cooper was a Boy Scout? I guess we'll find out Skip was a Boy Scout now.. Did he get his hijacking badge as well... Tina didn't see any compass and the lights were out.. Why are you guys fighting the facts.. It isn't a big deal.. Cooper did not know the route the plane was going take,, simple stuff. He never gave any path instructions.. The plane didn't even have to take a Vector.. The coastal route "V27" was seriously discussed and it is South and about 65 miles West of V23 which was 10 miles wide itself.. It is self evident that IF Cooper had a targeted LZ he would have given instructions to ensure he could hit that target,,, To argue that Cooper didn't indicate a path because there was only one path that could be taken is literally insane.

It goes to V27 and then down the coast,, exactly what the pilots were discussing.. so it IS legit path.. Does anybody actually read the files or is it just me.. Southwest then South...

Don't go there,, you have no idea..

Ammerman's knowledge about the hijacking is limited,, He doesn't know about the discussions between Cooper, the crew and GC... His opinion is a generalization,, it is not really relevant... The coast WAS seriously discussed it was an option... The claim that the only option was V23 is complete nonsense. They didn't even have to take a Victor Airway.. Palmer was the lead geologist on the TBAR money investigation, he concluded that the money rolled along the bottom based on the rounded off of the money. Doesn't prove it but it is a valid theory. You claim a guy making generalized statements without knowledge of the Cooper/Crew/GC Comms is a fact... Not even remotely close to analogous... If you wanted to avoid populated areas the coast WAS the best choice. The argument isn't which path should or did they take, it is would Cooper know where the plane would be when he jumped and the answer is NO..

Ammerman doesn't know the discussion between Cooper, the crew and GC... you know the evidence. His opinion is a generalization. Not very relevant.

Who cares,, you haven't added anything but crap in this case in over a decade..

BS

They discussed using it extensively,,,, so it was a legit option. Nice try though... Why is there such a denial over this obvious fact..

Find them yourself

It is irrational for you to claim Cooper can't be under 5-10"... based on the evidence. The FBI used 5-8" as the lower bound.. Two of those witnesses did not know he was the hijacker and could not identify him again.,, Flo saw him standing before boarding and he was known to be the hijacker,, and Tina said 5-10-6'... Mitchell at 6-2" said he was way smaller,,, his build was medium according to most witnesses,, his weight was about 160 from male passengers,, Stews about 170.. that isn't a 6' medium build.. Mitchell and Gregory had Cooper at 5-9" sitting,, that does not mean they were wrong. You consistently fail to account for self reported height vs height in shoes.. and you have misapplied witness height recall accuracy.... So, you have an opinion without a rational argument,, you just ignore the evidence and cherry pick and distort... I have no issue with an opinion for Cooper being 6',, I highly doubt it but I would never rule it out... YOU have ruled out Cooper under 5-10".. it is irrational based on the evidence. This goes for any suspect...

They would have taken V187 to V27,,, not straight to the coast. Cooper would not know where he was..

wrong... V27 goes Southwest not West then South down the coast. In those conditions Cooper would not know which path they were on.. But the point is Cooper gave ZERO indication, preference or acknowledgement for any path... Cooper did not know where the plane would be... his jump spot was not preplanned. This is really not difficult. The argument has been that V23 was the only path the plane could have taken... so Cooper didn't have to give a path direction.. that is provably false. DONE

Nicky, you have the world backwards,, there is no debate. Ryan is making the claim that Cooper can't be under 5-10".. that is not proven and not rational.. it is an opinion with no logical argument given the evidence. My position is NOT that Cooper IS under 5-10" but that he could be... Ryan can have any opinion he wants even wrong ones.. the burden is on him to prove his position. It happens that I have the nuclear bomb that blows it into dust.. and I will use it when the time is right.

Right, forgot about that..

You need to read the files..

Too many assumptions to have any validity.. From Cooper's point of view he gave no path.. they discussed going down the coast which makes it a legitimate option. Cooper would not even know which path they took in those conditions.. Flying Coast only defeats his plan IF he had planned to jump where he did,, IF he planned to jump South of the US border it made no difference.. It is complicated but you have to divide this into two separate scenarios,, before Reno was in play and after.. if you conflate them then nothing makes sense.

It actually isn't common sense... it is misapplied generalizations.. a form of fallacy.. I have the kill shot on height... you are trying to bring in other things that aren't relevant here. This applies to any suspect..

Nonsense,,, they seriously discussed taking the coastal route.. that puts in play. The denial is strong on this one... "good enough for me" isn't much of an endorsement...

It is true and part of a project I am doing so I don't want to make it public.. I don't make false claims. It will come out eventually, but you don't even need that to see the flaws in your argument, it just the kill shot..

No, it goes to the coast and then South right down the coastline. Also called 165. Cooper never said no coastal airports, he said no large airports. You are making it up. It is a false narrative,, you are stuck in an opinion and are dismissing facts and making up stuff to maintain it.. Cooper had no input on the path... V27/165 is actually better because it is less populated.. they discussed it extensively so it was a real option. In those conditions he would not even know which path the plane took.. His jump spot was not planned, predetermined or targeted.

You still don't get it,,, self reported height vs standing in shoes.. Hal didn't know he was the hijacker at the time, just another passenger of hundreds,, Hal said he wouldn't recognize him and Hal's height was an outlier,, NO, Hal is not credible.. When people are asked to recall height they are guessing because they are asked for a number.. these height accounts are not based on equal experiences by the witnesses but you have weighted them equal. They are NOT. Sure, the male plane witnesses saw Cooper sitting but that doesn't mean they were wrong... they also had him lighter.. that is not distorted by being seated. Cooper was not close to Bill's height... Cooper had a medium build and 160-170 lbs.. that is NOT a 6' tall person. Hahneman was 5-8 1/2 without shoes... that is 5-9 1/2 in shoes.. only a half inch below Tina's estimate and bang on Mitchell and Gregory. You keep failing to account for shoes, the variability of witness experiences and the reliability of height recall.. IT IS NOT 80% accurate.. you are falsely comparing a study to NORJAK.. It isn't a 4 inch difference, you fail to account for shoes.. A guy reported 5-7" would be 5-8" in shoes.. A 6 ft person would have a reported height of 5' 11"... The FBI used 5-8" as the lower bound because some witnesses had Cooper at 5-9" and reported heights almost always do not account for shoes.. Reported heights underestimate standing height in shoes.. Also, a problem in NORJAK is a small sample size of witnesses... I found many reported heights for Hahneman... 5-8, 5-8.5 and 5-9.... Many witnesses had Hahneman at 6'... he was 5-9.5 in shoes",, that busts your argument into a million pieces.

Ryan, you still have height screwed up.... and are misleading by conflating reported height and standing in shoes. FBI used 5-8'' as the lower bound for suspects... and warned agents to not eliminate based solely on height to 5-8".. Let's say a suspect has a reported height of 5-8" add an inch for shoes = 5-9" Tina said 5-10" - 6'.. That is only a 1 inch difference not 4... The original Cooper description was 5-9" - 6'... Flo saw Cooper standing before she knew he was the hijacker and the ticket agents didn't know he was a hijacker and would not recognize him again... Lysne and Williams aren't reliable. The stature and weight is also a clue,, they don't match a 6' tall person. Most said medium to heavy build and the average was 170 lbs.. the male passengers were less about 158 lbs average.. That weight /build does not match a 6' tall person.. Mitchell and Gregory had Cooper at 5-9" seated and Bill who was 6-2" said Cooper was much smaller than him... "I was way bigger than him and I could’ve, you know, I could’ve grabbed him and jerked him out of his seat. But I never would have done that. " Bill Mitchell Cooper was not close to Bill's height.. The male passengers sized up Cooper to be smaller than the stews did,,, men are better at sizing up other males than women are... even seated.. Cooper's height was not at the upper range,,

Wrong.. they discussed taking the coast extensively then cutting back.. V27 goes South down the coast.. COOPER HAD NO INPUT... You are stuck in your own false narrative.

absurd, flights to SoCal don't go down the coast.. they use V23.. Your opinion doesn't even make sense.