FLYJACK
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So why was B so different from A..
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So, it is your position that the reason the reason the sketches look different is because Flo's memory changed.
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Yes, I have a psychological defect because I don't agree with your argument.. check the mirror. I genuinely don't agree with your position, so have no reason to admit I am wrong. You have an opinion.. What you have mixed up is relativeness. Less Flo more Mitchell for B v A. Simple objective fact. The argument is less Flo not no Flo for B. Fact is Flo played a more significant role overall in producing A than B. If she played a greater role in B then why is it so different... has to be a reason why they are so different... Flo was emotional, she participated in two sketches and later said none were right.
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First thing you need to be careful of,, that is a summary written from agent notes usually by a third party.. it is not verbatim from Alice. For example,, it does not say she saw Dan Cooper board with a briefcase 12 by 18... This is a general statement recalling her knowledge not what she actually saw... usually the FBI puts witness statements in quotes to be precise. If it was Alice said "I saw..." that would be different.
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Mitchell was not certain he was last to board, just that he was close to the end.
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Alice saw the briefcase later as well, she is probably recalling that impression for measurements.
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The argument doesn't go both ways. Flo noticed because it was her job to check boarding passengers. Gregory and Mitchell not recalling Dan Cooper boarding is not a big deal at all.
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Your conclusion is flawed... Neither remembered seeing him board. That is not the same as not seeing him board and Cooper not boarding near the end. Dan Cooper was not yet the "suspicious guy" and hijacker so he was not drawing attention at that time. They could have seen him board but didn't remember or just didn't notice. That doesn't mean he didn't board near the end. Michael Cooper's account is not credible. He recently claimed he could still recognize and pick out Cooper.. He was not primary witness. An aside,, my current working theory is that Cooper flew into PDX earlier that day,,
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From 2011.. long before any sketch A v B perceived debate (IMO, there is no real debate even now, sketch B is provably better) Facts,, Galen had a close relationship with the FBI. He had no sketch bias. Sketch A was heavily influenced by Flo. Mitchell played a greater role in B than A. Flo was more emotional than Mitchell. Sketch B was different from A. Logical inference,, Mitchell's increased input in sketch B accounts for some of the difference in the sketches.
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boarding.. Mitchell (admitted he was near last, said first noticed Cooper when he spilled his drink.) then Dan Cooper, second to last (Flo) then Gregory last, (Gregory, He was late and believes he was the last passenger to board the aircraft)
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Michael has done many interviews over the years and never mentioned seeing Cooper boarding until now.. He recently said he could still ID Cooper... yet, he wasn't a primary witness.
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It is not a DOCUMENTED fact... hyperbolic. Mitchell did not have real input on the initial production of sketch A. I assume they didn't eliminate Flo completely from B, just elevated Mitchell and reduced her input. The files don't have everything... they are mostly summaries and not primary docs like the sketch artist interviews with witnesses. Those are on forms. The benzedrine isn't in the FBI docs.. did it not exist. I trust that the FBI told Galen, maybe they lied to him. Fact is,, you are assuming he is lying with no proof to make your argument.. I have no doubt that Mitchell played a bigger role in B v A, Flo was emotional and B was different from A.. by logical inference.. Mitchell's input accounts for most of the difference in the sketches. Galen's claim fits in this framework.
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It isn't an obnoxious argument,, it isn't really even an argument.. I heard this many years ago from Galen who worked closely with FBI back then, long before any sketch A v B debate. Why would he make it up. The only argument is whether you trust Galen on this or not.. I trust Galen more than most of the people in the Vortex.
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What I meant was it came from Galen but from elsewhere... not Bruce's book. I am not being called out for anything,, either you trust Galen on this or not,, This goes back years.. long before the sketch A v B debate. So, no bias or agenda. Rataczak also said Flo had problems during the hijacking.. lending credibility. I believe Galen, he worked closely with the FBI years ago.. and don't see anything in the files that contradict it, your claim that the files prove it untrue are false. If you don't beleive him that is up to you.
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It isn't in the files, I never said it was. Hard for you to believe but not everything is in the files. It came from Galen, not from Bruce's book, I got it elsewhere. He was working closely with the FBI at one point.. I believe him. Rataczak also said Flo was a problem. As for sketch B they elevated Mitchell and diminished Flo's input. Maybe that is why it was different.
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So, Mitchell wasn't sure he was the last passenger to board. It was probably Gregory. Mitchell was close to the last.
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Yes, Flo was believed less reliable due to being too emotional,, Mitchell was relied upon more for sketch B. I know you have said she was the best witness, she wasn't considered that by the FBI.
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Flo is probably right,, but Dan Cooper was just another passenger when he boarded and not drawing attention as he did when he was the "hijacker".
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Classic embellishment.. he also said Cooper had the briefcase on the right seat and his right hand on it.. This is stuff from the media.. Michael didn't see.. His story is not what he saw but what he thinks happened many years after the fact. Dan Cooper was probably the second to last to board, possibly last.
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I don't know what he wants, he is incapable of communicating anything of substance. He seems to think he is the arbiter of Cooper truth.. Does he want me to leave a forum he trashed and rarely used or does he wants me to do some Cooper media and give away all my research... or is he just fronting for others. I think he disagrees with something and can't articulate a counter argument so he just uses insults. Doesn't matter, he is irrelevant. I feel bad for the Cooper people who have to deal with this guy.
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Ironic, from the guy obsessed and repeatedly lying and attacking me personally. What debate did I lose, Nicky.. What position do you have all figured out that I have wrong. Something must be eating at you. You throw out and hide behind insults because you are incapable of an adult discussion.
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No, it is not dispositive obviously,, Maybe 90% of the info in this case is not dispositive. However, it has value. The reliability of Alice positively identifying prescription lenses is greater than misidentifying regular lenses. She could be wrong but the likelihood of being correct is higher than her being wrong.. The goal is to find a qualified suspect, that means ticking boxes and inferences, if you go through the files some suspects were noted if they wore prescription sunglasses.
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It is a double standard,, if I choose to keep stuff private that is my choice whether it is a debate or otherwise. YOU guys trashed me for it.. I wan't debating Nicky when he trashed me for not doing media. Nice try Ryan. I have no problem with other people keeping stuff private because everybody does it and that is their choice.. Absolutely a double standard.. debate or not.
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Prescription lenses for sunglasses....
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I have no problem with that, everybody has stuff they want to keep.. The difference is YOU GUYS call me a liar, afraid and try to smear me when I don't share everything.. A double standard. Nicky has effectively admitted his own hypocrisy...
