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I do know the circumstances and timeframe. He hijacked a (US) 727 May 5 1972, jumped from the rear airstairs with a ransom into the Honduran jungle at night, the plane was directed to Mexico then looped over Honduras landing back in Mexico. He turned himself in 4 weeks later and was in US custody from June 1972 till September 1972 when he plead guilty for reduced charges (deal) then serving Federal time until 1984 for the May 5 hijacking. He was available for the Cooper hijacking timeframe. I have tracked many of his movements between December 1971 and May 5 1972. He was a loner and estranged from his family in PA for many years. His name is redacted in the FBI files,, why, he died in 1991, there is no privacy concern. and oddly the BOP had spelled his first name wrong with a record stating he was in custody until 1991. He has always been labelled a Cooper copycat but a US official in Honduras at the time stated that Hahneman had planned his hijacking for years.
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Ran into something very strange,, Tried a BOP lookup for Hahneman, couldn't find him, he was in Federal prison from 1972-1984.. Paroled and discharged in 1984. Turns out his named was misspelled in the DOP database but I found it trying different spellings. The record showed he was released in 1991, just before he died. This doesn't make sense. I ran a FOIA request and was told they have no record of him. I pointed out the misspelled name and they re-iterated NO RECORD. Destroyed after 10 years??
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Suspect elimination is mostly subjective unless the person's location during NORJAK was confirmed. Bernie Rhodes and Russell Calame claimed McCoy was Cooper but his prints did not match the NORJAK prints. They claim that the unidentified NORJAK prints are not confirmed as Cooper. and.. The Raleigh cigarettes were checked for prints and none found.
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One thing I noticed,, The FBI docs names the suspects they have investigated who have died since.. Rackstraw, McCoy, Coffelt and others... Sheridan Peterson's name is redacted as he is still alive. Hahneman is redacted but he died almost 30 years ago. What are the redaction policies,, one is privacy. A dead person does not fall under the privacy provision. So, why redact a dead person?? EDIT: here they are.. so why Hahneman? A. Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings; B. Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication; C. Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; D. Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a state, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution that furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source; E. Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or; F. Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety or any individual.
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Actually, nobody is really eliminated.. The FBI files state that some suspects who were eliminated were later un-eliminated. Elimination for many suspects was subjective. So, elimination by the FBI wasn't really conclusive.. BTW,, I found no indication Hahneman was ever eliminated. He was investigated years after he was in custody.
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yes, she could be innocent, it is just a theory.. everyone has considered it but been afraid to bring up this glaringly obvious theory. The dredge theory seems to be the dominant one but I can't imagine the money going through a suction dredge and landing in its condition with rubber band fragments attached. Additionally, how did the money get into the river in the first place. Tosaw speculated that Cooper landed in the Columbia and the TBAR money was the money he offered the stews but put in his coat pocket. But, you have to move the LZ.. Washougal has been debunked, Cooper landing near TBAR and burying it is extremely speculative nonsense. Most likely, the money came from the river.. how did it get there within the parameters of known evidence. Another thing that is interesting is that 20 bills were missing from one packet.. were they deteriorated and just not found or were they removed before the money was deposited?? Clearly, the claim that the rubber bands were "intact" is false and misleading, the edges of the bills/packets were significantly eroded. If the bills were removed before the money arrived that suggests human intervention.. and perhaps somebody spent them. It would be risky and the money would have become a liability. If the 3 packets were banded into a single bundle then 20 bills removed from one it would still maintain the integrity of the bundle.. toss it in the river upstream and it lands on TBAR, consistent with river flow. Rubber bands deteriorate/break and the 3 packets separate slightly exactly as found with rubber band frags attached top and bottom not sides. BTW.. 1 packet of 100 bills is about 1/2" thick.. 3 packets = 1.5" thick
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It is a good theory compared to the other TBAR theories. It is simple and plausible with some supporting evidence, it fits all the evidence. It does not support any specific suspect. The other theories are pure speculation and most require a contortion of the evidence. Look at this theory in context. The other two I like.. Massive Clamshell dredge and barge operation for erosion mitigation program in 76/77 for Sauvie Island. Cooper loses money in Lewis, it ends up in Columbia and is transported upstream. Some money fell off the stairs as the plane crossed the Columbia.
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Finding 3 packets of ransom money on TBAR in 1980 was unlikely, but it happened. Tina's story about asking for some money then returning it because of a tip policy is sketchy. The other stews were offered ransom money later as they left. Tina was alone with the hijacker. Tina looked very sheepish, head down in Reno video. Flo stated that she believes Tina is hiding something. Tina's post hijacking behaviour was odd. Flo's and Tina's Cooper descriptions vary.. why? The only ransom money we know of that was separated from the bag was pulled out by Cooper for the stews. It is reasonable that most likely these packets somehow ended up at TBAR. Tina was the #1 go to witness for the FBI, if she was compromised the case was doomed. We have all the elements of a good theory for the TBAR money. After 50 years of theories I have heard most of them and this one ranks in the top three. It is the simplest and most plausible.
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The ongoing disinformation innuendo campaign by Georger aka J R Warner... "FLYJAK operates in a similar atmosphere of 'suspicion' alleging ties between his suspect and Tina Mucklow going clear back to when Mucklow was in highschool!" This lie keeps getting repeated.. The facts.. Hahneman lived about 50 miles from Tina in PA.. (Hahneman had no accent) Hahneman's brother had a bank account 9 miles from Tina's school. I found no connection between them, NONE. I have not alleged a tie, to claim that is a lie. further,, Tina handled some ransom money. Tina lived a few miles upstream of TBAR in the late 70's. 3 packets were found at TBAR. It would be irrational to not develop the theory that Tina may have kept some ransom money and discarded it later.
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Exactly, there is nothing there but childhood memories whether sincere or not they are not reliable.
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yes, my read was that LaPoint didn't jump from a DC-9 rear Airstair but instead from a removable panel. Not all DC-9s had aft airstairs, the ones without have a plug door. https://www.nytimes.com/1972/01/22/archives/exparatrooper-is-held-in-hijacking.html "According to an airline spokesman in San Francisco, the hijacker apparently first opened an emergency door on the side of the plane but saw that he might hit the engines if he bailed out there and ordered a little‐used rear door opened. The door is under hollow fiberglass cone that is a attached to the plane's that is make it more aerodynamic."
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LaPoint jumped from a DC-9, he jumped from a small rear access door under the tailcone.
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Vast majority of hijackings were political and/or mental issues...
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US 727 hijackings for ransom with parachutes.. Only Cooper, McCoy, Hahneman, Heady and McNally actually jumped. November 24, 1971 Dan Cooper aka D B Cooper January 12, 1972 Billy Gene Hurst, Jr - Apprehended after crew secretly escaped. Never jumped. History of mental illness. April 7, 1972 Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr - arrested and convicted. April 9, 1972 Stanley Harlan Speck - tricked by crew and apprehended sent to mental institution. May 5, 1972 Frederick William Hahneman - jumped into Honduran jungle surrendered 4 weeks later. June 2, 1972 Rob Heady - apprehended next day on ground. June 23, 1972 Martin J. McNally - fingerprints led to McNally. July 12, 1972 Melvin Martin Fisher - demanded ransom and chute opened door and decided to give up.
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To clarify,, Lycopocium Clavatum is a natural substance, however Kaye found that it was a "residue made up of titanium dioxide, silicates and alumina." on the Cooper tie. It wasn't pure,, that "powder formulation" led Kaye to conclude it was a pill lubricant. Lycopodium Clavatum can be found in many things but this powder formulation seems to be specific. It was also used for a latex lubricant but it was eliminated from the market. Not clear if it was still used at the time. There were other particles of pure titanium, aluminum and silicon which are not related to the LC powder.
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You have conflated the "powder"... with other particles. The Lycopodium Clavatum was a powder "residue made up of titanium dioxide, silicates and alumina." There were other particles which suggest some type of industrial environment.
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It wasn't just lycopodium clavatum.. "was in fact a powder residue made up of titanium dioxide, silicates and alumina." but it is true that finding a match isn't conclusive, it is part of a comprehensive profile..
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This was Hahneman.. not Cooper, he had Dramamine and Compoz for the crew for his hijacking. Cooper also said he had pills for the crew. Lycopodium Clavatum, a pill lubricant was found on the Cooper tie.
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Tom, Another, the Lycopodium Clavatum.. the pill lubricant. The conclusion was Cooper was a pill popper. Hahneman had and used Dramamine and Compoz during his hijacking. How do we find out if these contained Lycopodium Clavatum, especially the Compoz as it had a foil wrapper which requires a pill lubricant. I have researched the early Compoz tablets and can't determine if it was coated. It was changed in the late 70's as one of its ingredients was banned. FBI - "Prior to eating a Dramamine pill, the hijacker broke the pill in half and required the First Officer to consume half of the pill. The First Officer stated he thought the hijacker would parachute from the plane once they were airborne. He further suggested that this individual should be compared with D. B. Cooper, who hijacked a Northwest Airlines plane in Seattle previously." FBI - Compoz - “This tranquilizer was given to stewardess ________ on 5/5/72, by the Unsub hijacker of flight 175. According to ______ hijacker handled this foil package without the benefit of gloves.” "Compoz contains a long list of ingredients, some of which are known to have sedating effects at doses higher than those in the patent medicine. The contents are scopolamine (a sedative), the antihistamines methapyrilene and pyrilamine maleate (which also have sedating effects), salicylamide (a pain reliever), extract of passion flower (believed to be sedative at high doses) and the B vitamins, thiamine, riboflavin, pyridoxine and niacinami de." "Dr. Rickels said that scopolamine, to name one ingredient, could produce such side effects as blurred vision, increased pressure in the eye, urinary retention and, at high doses, mental confusion, excitement and delirium." https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/14/archives/study-criticizes-effect-of-compoz-review-by-fda-ingredients-listed.html
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Tom,, Particle pattern on the tie.. The tie has what appears to be particle concentrations in horizontal lines on the front of the tie and if you look close on the front of the back piece of the tie.. Hard to imagine those patterns of particles deposited while the tie was worn. That suggests the tie was rubbed across a sharp/narrow object.. as if it were used to wipe something or it was stored folded laying on the particles.. The control tie particle distribution looked completely random, the cooper tie was not. The tie was manufactured/sold around 1964. It had lots of time and environments to collect those particles. It seems unlikely they all came from one environment.
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Maybe a DZ jumper can recognize something with this chute??
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No, what I am saying is your logic is bad.. it is biased speculation used to reject a theory. We need facts, not speculation to reject a theory. That doesn't mean you have to accept a theory. You can't reject a theory because you think Tina would have burned the money instead of tossing it. Being skeptical is good, rejecting possibilities based on speculation isn't skepticism, it is a lack of reason. You advance knowledge with theories, they get tested and confirmed or rejected with facts not opinions.
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Actually the published ransom bill list is sequential, but lots of info in this case has been wrong.. intentionally or not, who knows. Carr got the randomized bundles completely wrong with Georger and that still won't die 10 years later. Carr claimed the 3 "bundles" (his word) on TBAR each contained random counts. He mixed up random bundles and random packets.. Bundles were randomized, packets were not. The FBI files claim the tie was 1-2 years old after the FBI asked a store manager. The labels on the tie date it to about 1964.. The store manager went by the look of the tie, not deciphering the label. but no doubt the FBI is holding back info, made serious errors and is engaged in propaganda to some degree. BTW, I just read in the new files that the FBI eliminated some suspects then reopened investigations on them.. then they weren't really eliminated,, right. We aren't going to get anywhere using the same 50 year old thinking and hoping some new piece of physical evidence with suddenly pop up and solve it. Sometimes you have to colour outside the lines to find them... Some of the Cooper sleuths are still stuck in 2009...
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"This is how people get locked up that are innocent. several times in life I was falsely accused. the last time was a hit and run. it all "made sense" to them..." Nobody is on trial here. This is a theory of many, a very reasonable one given the evidence. It needs to be explored. Using personal bias and speculation to dismiss a theory is the reason cases DON'T get solved. You dismiss theories with FACTS, not personal bias and speculation like she would have burned the money not thrown it in the river.. this poor application of logic will never solve this thing.
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I like the money falling off the stairs into the Columbia theory as well.. if it was a single bundle it did not have to be in a container. but for the stew theory.. If one of the stews kept the packets and later discarded them into the Columbia the flight path and LZ would be consistent. Tina resided about a mile from the Columbia in the late 1970's just upstream of TBAR. Heck of a coincidence. There were 20 bills missing from one TBAR packet, they may have been removed prior to deposit, if we had the original unsorted bill list we might be able to determine the order. Proving this after almost 50 years is big ask.