FLYJACK

Hahneman was on a WW2 C-47 (DC-3 variant) aircrew... troop transport.. paratroopers Cooper asked for a “knapsack”,, WW2 paratrooper gear included a “knapsack” The C-47 had a 15 degree flap setting.. 1/4= 0 degrees 1/2 = 15 degrees (Cooper demand) 3/4= 30 degrees Full= 45 degrees The C-47 had an interphone.. Hahneman manned the interphone. "Cooper used the term "interphone" vs intercom or phone as Tina said she thought a passenger would say." Interphoneis a term used a lot in WW2 acft and through the early 1970s. It refers to the amplified audio system that allows crew to talk to such other over head and handsets and also allows the distribution of comm radio audio to multiple crew members. Later aircraft, such as the F 14, seemed to use the term Intercomor ICS. The 727 had an interphone system often powered by Gables Engineering Interphone Amplifier. P/N G-708-1 or C3670-4. NSN: 5831-00-306-4654. It is curious that Cooper used the term Interphone. To me it indicates at least some familiarity with aircraft systems. 377"

Cooper didn't demand nonstop to Mexico City, he demanded nonstop to Mexico. It is 1895 miles from SeaTac to Mazatlan within the 727 range. (Mazatlan was mentioned somewhere in the FBI files but I can't find it) It wasn't a ruse, Cooper made a demand he thought was achievable, it makes no sense that he would make a demand that he knew would be rejected. No way. Cooper's initial plan was to jump South of US border.

The FBI flightpath does veer East around 20:12 and turns right around 20:15.. that eliminates an alternate western flightpath. FBI FILE 10 P 1662 _______ WAS INFORMED BY ___________ PORTLAND AIRPORT, THAT TWO CHASE WHICH PLANES FOLLOWING FIVE MILES BEHIND HIJACKED AIRCRAFT SUDDENLY VEERED TO THE EAST AND THEREAFTER MADE A RIGHT TURN. THE POINT OF THEIR CHANGE OF COURSE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IN TIME AND LOCATION TO THAT BELIEVED WHERE UNSUB DEPARTED THE PLANE. The Elvis flightpath has left the building…

Yeah, lots of variables.. the FBI guessed at the wind direction. Assume "Cooper" leaves plane at point A, plane travelling at 190 mph, 10,000 ft, travelling S into S wind 25 mph at elevation and 5 mph ground. What is the estimated LZ range from point A.. given an early pull and late pull.. example: 2-5 miles from point A? this was the parachute.. https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/

There was CP TI on the 727.. water system, lav and ducting. It is possible some of those particles were picked up on the plane. The Elvis Yttrium TV analogy is silly, there was no glass shards on the tie.. finding Yttrium on a tie is rare, especially in the context of all the other particles. Virtually all those particles are used in dentistry and electronics. They suggest ceramics or coatings.. missiles and radomes. (Many are found in hand held sparkler paste) The tie was at least 6 years old. Probably left by Cooper and was likely exposed to multiple environments. DNA can exclude but not include. Nuclear DNA can ID a person, Mitochondrial can narrow it down to 10-20% of population. Anyone matching the Cooper tie DNA is still in a population too large.. to matter. However, new DNA tech could probably get a better sample from the tie or parachute cords. None of the tie evidence points to Boeing.

I found that the wind direction used by the FBI LZ was a proxy derived from Portland and Salem data averaged between 8-9 PM. The winds were virtually the same direction from surface to elevation but increased in speed. However, the data from Portland and Seattle shows that the direction was not constant, it was shifting between ESE to S to SSW... In other words the FBI guessed at the wind direction for the LZ. The Placard was found virtually right under the flightpath, that suggests a wind from the S which is consistent with winds measured at 8 PM at Toledo Wa... The Placard found much later suggests the FBI got the wind direction wrong. A question.. If Cooper jumped back first facing into a S wind of 25 knots at elevation and 5 knots at ground how far would he drift from the exit point?? I assume he would travel forward briefly then drift back basically along the flightpath.. any ideas?

Cooper wasn't seen jumping... It was Hahneman that a crew member witnessed descend the rear stairs backwards and jump off back first. He hijacked a 727 for ransom in May of 1972. I have been researching him for the Cooper hijacking. Mark was speculating that Cooper may have done it the same way.

Derek, you spelled Snowmman wrong.

Ralph Himmelsbach “There were 10,000 twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of 100 bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands.” "straps" are currency straps or bank bands in counts of 100 bills (packets) for denominations over $1 at 6:35 of video… Tina Mucklow saw "bank-type bands around each package"

The bills were Micro'd on a Recordak machine well before Norjak. The Bank had an emergency stash of circulated bills, total $250,000 with $20,000 in $10's and $230,000 in $20's. The entire stash was recorded in order. The FBI had nothing to do with recording the serial numbers. The Bank was responsible for maintaining the integrity of the Micro matching the money. They grabbed $200,000 for Cooper and left the rest but this is where it gets screwy, typical NORJAK. The bank took the remaining $30,000 of $20 bills which was 15 packets of 100. They wrote down only the top and bottom bill serial number for each packet and sent the 15 pairs of numbers to the FBI as well as the Micro list of all the bills. The FBI was instructed to use the paired numbers as start and stop points, remove them from the list and all bills in between which they didn't actually have numbers for. They ignored the 10's. The 15 packets of $20's that didn't go to Cooper but were on the list were immediately incorporated into a new Bank ransom stash which was also run through a Recordak... everybody following so far.. The FBI was having trouble deducting the bills and creating the list so they asked the Bank for a list of all the remaining bill serial numbers from those 15 packets. The Bank supplied the FBI with the Recordak Micro for the new ransom stash noting the ranges for the 15 packets. Now the FBI had to deduct each bill found from the original list. However, the range for the list was slightly different, the packets didn't quite match, that may be where the 9998 bills comes from, two bills short. There is an error. There were two Bank ransom stashes, two sets of Recordak Micro's and entire thing was under the control of the Bank. If the Bank didn't maintain the integrity of the ransom stash then the FBI bill list would be wrong. Consider the ramifications if money was used/replaced from the ransom stash and the Micro wasn't updated. It is very unlikely but theoretically possible that the TBAR money didn't go to Cooper but was used in another ransom payout if the Bank didn't maintain the Recordak Micro. I did find an earlier Portland ransom payout that was never recovered. A little OT but interesting, a guy phoned in a bomb on a plane that would go off if it descended to a specific altitude. He would let them know how to disarm if paid, he effectively hijacked a plane without being on it. He was caught in Portland but the ransom money was never recovered.

Apparently it is very confusing,,, Tom Kaye researched it and found the same thing. There is no evidence for the specific location of the rubber band frags found on the money, just vagueness, around, attached, intact? crumbling to touch? Remember, the edges of the packets were completely eroded, so the rubber band frags were only stuck on the tops and bottoms. Can an eight year old boy determine whether those band frags were holding each packet only or as a group. The bank claimed the packets were in bank bands.. Himms claimed they were strapped.. If the packets were bank strapped then the rubber bands would have held together groups of packets in a bundle. It is possible they landed separately but we need to explain how those 3 packets separated from the bundle they were in when handed to Cooper plus there had to be rubber bands used for the packets. Evidence suggests bank bands but it could have been both. The take away is this... finding those 3 packets slightly separated with deteriorated rubber band frags attached (tops and bottoms) doesn't mean they landed independent of a bundle. Those rubber band frags may have held them in a single bundle. By rejecting the "single bundle" idea the means by which the money could have arrived at TBAR is "erroneously" restricted.

It does matter,,, there is a difference. A packet is 100 bills, it is not a bundle of 5 x 100 bills. A bundle is a general term for a group, but banks use these terms specifically. Conflating these terms leads to confusion, bad logic and erroneous conclusions. Example: Carr claimed the bank employee told him they randomized and rubber banded the bundles. Carr assumed the packets of 100 were randomized (thinking they are bundles), they were not. He was wrong. The packets were not randomized. The rubber band frags: I have searched and found many vague and various descriptions of those rubber band frags and none actually state where EXACTLY they were attached to the money. They could have held together a bundle. Given the evidence, It is more likely that the money landed as one bundle of multiple packets than landing independently. Moreover, if independent then those specific packets had to have been separated by somebody after Cooper was given the ransom money. Possible, but by no means a fact. The ransom money went into the bag in random sized rubber banded bundles of multiple packets.

The brown area I marked with the blue line is where the dredge spoils were dumped in 76/77, the material was barged upstream from dredging locations including the Lewis entering the Columbia. I'd have to go back to check my notes on it, but I determined that while it is plausible, there is no way to confirm or reject this theory. I could not advance it any further but it is a good one that I have never seen before. Sauvie Island undergoes constant erosion right where the Columbia hits and turns right. Loosened debri would head straight at TBAR.

It wasn't three bundles, it was three packets (x100 bills). The packets were given to Cooper in random sized rubber banded bundles (x packets).. There is zero evidence that the TBAR packets landed separated from their bundle, the rubber band frags may have held together a bundle which separated as they deteriorated leaving 3 packets close and touching. If they did land independently, then the packets must have been separated after being given to Cooper by somebody. That is why Tosaw theorized TBAR was from his coat pocket.

The witness suspect descriptions vary and the sketch is a "composite".. so it isn't precise but it was used to include or eliminate suspects. I have several theories about TBAR I am working.. The top two are,, The money was discarded, not planted within a few years of being found. and There was a massive 200,000 cu/yd dredge operation in 1976/77 on Sauvie Island right across and slightly upstream of TBAR.. The material was clamshell dredged and barged upstream from the Columbia. It was dumped on Sauvie as a soil erosion remediation project. Theory,, Cooper lost some/all money into the Lewis R/Merwyn (within FBI LZ) and it flowed down to the Columbia, clamshell dredged in 1976/77, barged to Sauvie, dumped, constant erosion loosened it, washed across to land on TBAR. That Sauvie dredge operation timeline would put the TBAR money above the TBAR 1974 dredge spoil layer.

I never said he had an afro and there is no Panama Jack, that is you trolling. If you were confident in your suspect you wouldn't need to lie to discredit others. You don't contribute here to the topic so I'll put you on ignore.

I posted a few comments back for Hahneman's hijacked 727 for ransom, he was observed walking backwards down the rear airstairs and jumped back first..

Yes, human nature of witnesses. Varying descriptions but some things are fairly consistent. Matching the description alone doesn't make a suspect Cooper, not matching excludes. It is one tick box... I have maybe a hundred.

Cooper's hair was described as wavy, marceled and curly.. = Hahneman plus, slanted forehead hairline... In one pic, Hahneman has his hair slicked back, he used some hair product.

Pilots planned escape.. when stews off plane

Derek, Stop lying, I never claimed that. If you want to use innuendo to discredit others to support your suspect I suggest you go elsewhere. If you want a legit discussion then stop lying.

It is claimed in some FBI summaries that Cooper wanted the airstairs down on takeoff. They are wrong, that is why everyone believed this false narrative. Those summaries are created from the 302's, those are summaries of FBI interview notes. The crew comms are absolutely clear and more reliable. Cooper did not initially demand airstairs down on takeoff and it was first brought up by the crew during negotiations to get Tina off the plane. They negotiated the airtairs later. When Cooper knew the plane was going to land in the US he needed to ensure an escape out the airstairs, remember, he got it wrong, he thought the crew controlled the airstairs. (Sorry Klansnic) What does it mean, Cooper did not want to jump ASAP. Cooper did not have some unique airstair knowledge.

Pilots initiated idea of airstairs down on takeoff during negotiations to get Tina off the plane so they could escape as planned. Airstairs on takeoff wasn't Cooper's original demand and the idea was initiated by the crew. 305 HAV NOXXX NEGOTD RLS OF 2 GIRLS LVG ANY MOMENT 3RD GIRL TO STAY ITH ACFT WANTS HER TO MANIPULATE STAIRS FOR HIM AFTR PLANE AIRBORNE HAVE TRIED TO TEL HIM INXXX UNAM OPRTE STAIRS TO LWRD AFTR TKOFF TRYING TO GET HIM TO LET US LWR STAIRS PARTLLY FOR TKOFF Summary.. 2 girls released Tina to stay to lower stairs in flight Crew tried to get Cooper to lower stairs himself after takeoff Trying to get him to let us lower stairs partially for takeoff

June 1964 - The 727 has been flown satisfactorily with the airstairs lowered.

377, Hijacker Hahneman walked down 727 Airstairs backwards and jumped back first... (FBI) also, beepers were planted and found by him.