FLYJACK

That would be so cool if the real DBC had gleaned the idea for the crime from this comic. Snowmman, who I believe first surfaced the comics issue, would be pursued by the press if they could ever figure out who he is. Carol "Abracadabra" would be a guest on late night shows. Her symposium presentation on the comics was just superb. How would you prove your suspect had read Dan Cooper comics? 377 I can't really say yet but it is 100% provable.. he READ, POSSESSED and was OBSESSED with the comic. It may be just a bunch of coincidences,,,

My suspect/theory is too early to go to the FBI, further I am NOT in the US, nor American citizen and NOT under the jurisdiction of the FBI.. Remember. I am trying to eliminate this guy.. and I don't think exposing his identity here will help due to the fact that he is a foreigner, dead and the case is so cold. The only thing that I could go to the FBI with is the document with fingerprints and possible DNA,, and I don't have that yet. I am secretive so that the document doesn't get scooped before I can get it.. believe me I want to tell you guys to help vetting, well most of you. Bill Mitchells audio described that turkey neck and non swarthy, my suspect has a turkey neck and is NOT swarthy... so I thought I'd show him the blend and if it was a positive/possible then show the suspect picture,, (though it is older),, In the blend gif that I created you can isolate any feature and it lines up perfectly, doesn't move, eyes jawline, mouth eyebrows, nose, head shape.. all positioned perfectly.. maybe a coincidence but it is freaky.. Also Kayes site,, Fact: The majority of the particles analyzed contained varying amounts of Chlorine, Potassium, and Silicon along with Sulfur, Calcium and Titanium. Fact: The SLICE database indicates that Chlorine, Potassium and Silicon are common to most book match heads. Interpretation: The majority of particles on the tie are from match heads. Further interpretation: The tie's owner was a smoker that used book matches to light his cigarettes in keeping with witness testimony. Fact: Particles pulled from the stained areas had the same elemental signatures as the the other match particles. Interpretation: The stains on the tie were caused by match heads hot enough to transfer material to the fibers. "varying amounts of Chlorine, Potassium, and Silicon along with Sulfur, Calcium and Titanium" could be from a match head without the titanium, but also from something else....with titanium ..

A noticeable foreign accent might also eliminate him. yes, he was ignored for year because I couldn't determine an accent, I couldn't even establish english, but I discovered that he came from a multilingual region, then I obtained copies of his handwriting separately in English and French.. I don't know about an accent, he is now dead... and the region he is from is known for non accent english,, (multilingual) it is definitely something to pursue.. I am trying Family members and friends should be explored. Just saying. This is where certain internet services come in REAL handy to make a list of people who should be contacted. Not by me...but YOU perhaps. What you can do is to use Genealogy.com or another service to find out every possible thing you can on your suspect. Then when you contact people, make sure to ask if this person had any friends, and what were their names. Then you can move on from there with your investigation. One thing you could probably find out reletively quickly is whether your suspect was a smoker. Another might be their situation, i.e. where they were living, working, etc the year of the hijacking. Contrary to popular opinion, although I believe Kenny Christiansen is a viable suspect, he's still just a suspect. And that means I fully support any reasonable exploration into other people as possibly being Cooper. I have tried to pin down more info for a couple years, but can't, he is dead and too much time has passed, so the only way to eliminate is fingerprints and possible DNA. AND I can prove that my suspect read/possessed the Cooper comic... back then.. Coincidence,, maybe,, interesting, yes.. after studying the steel truss bridge picture, the suspicious image drawn on it appears to be dynamite and a fuse (squiggly line)

EXCUSE ME! You are someone in off the street who has NOT shown the thread a picture of your suspect much less the FBI and you want to show it to Bill. If this thread exchanges contact information on witnesses it is time to END the thread! If witnesses are approached by someone off the street the way Bruce Smith did Tina and her brother-in-law and her family in the East - TIME to END THIS THREAD and QUADE has my blessings on this - which I will discuss in the very near future. EXCUSE ME! When the general public can go around showing witnesses pictures of a candidate never investigated by the FBI - SOMETHING IS very WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM! You FLYJACK cannot even produce a picture of your subject and Cooper did NOT speak with a foreign accent. You are someone pretending to have a suspect - and you are on a FISHING expedition. Introducing NEW evidence does NOT mean taking OLD evidence and redeveloping it to fit whatever book you are writing. I think I should start to post some old emails sent to me by a person known as BULLJAX and then the thread will start to see the similarities in your posting style and his posting style. If you are BULLJAX you used up a lot of my time with your crap - now you have EVOLVED. Your story evolves just like his. I went thru this with you for 9 months plus outside of the thread. I believe you stated you are out of the states - I am sure QUADE could verify this one way or another. What say Quade - in or out of the states? Is this man misrepresenting himself? As for presenting a suspect to Bill, if you do without going to the FBI you better have a DAMN good reason. I will say this for Vickie she went about it the right way - first trying to get the attention of the FBI then trying to find a way to get the FBI to view it. That didn't happen so she appealed to others to help. REMEMBER this Weber was a suspect and the witness had already seen pictures of him. D0 you think you really want to approach him with a suspect you have NOT EVEN DISCUSSED with the FBI. Me thinks this is an invasion of privacy and perhaps the FBI needs to be aware of YOU and the things YOU are stating on this thread....perhaps your first stop should have been to contact the FBI. Allow one person due to compassion and the gate way to hell opens up with the WANNABEs! SHOW the thread a REAL picture of your suspect with a viable name the thread can investigate. This has been done with other suspects! The last thing this thread needs to do is chase a creation - and a man with no name and no face! Where was you suspect in Nov of 1971? What is his name, height, eye color? What kind of work did he do? YOU HAVE a long way to go Bulljax or Flyjack - which ever you wish to be called. You didn't even know that The Bridge of the GODs was not on the map for the Cooper flight and then when you find that you jump to other location or just change directions...that is what Bulljax did...YEA you entertained me for a few months. Your story built on quips and bullshit and a deck of cards fell! He started with theories and he NEVER put a face or a name to his Cooper other than to say it was Duane Weber until I could NO longer contain my suspicions. Then all of his "PROOF" just vanished...Poof! He had solved the case but was NOT going to do anything for 2 yrs - because the man who told him the story asked him to wait 2yrs. His last email said "An NOW I KNOW!" Stop trying to discredit me with your juvenile straw man fallacies.. it is very clear that you are trying to protect your theory and suspect.. and you are lying to do it. You should be kicked out of this thread.

A noticeable foreign accent might also eliminate him. yes, he was ignored for year because I couldn't determine an accent, I couldn't even establish english, but I discovered that he came from a multilingual region, then I obtained copies of his handwriting separately in English and French.. I don't know about an accent, he is now dead... and the region he is from is known for non accent english,, (multilingual) it is definitely something to pursue.. I am trying

I do not know my suspect personally, he is not related to my dump theory, I found the dump by accident exploring a steel truss bridge across the Columbia Slough as a possible source of the TBAR cash. I had speculated that he might have hidden the cash near a steel truss bridge, it got loose and floated to TBAR.. The dump, may or may not be connected to my suspect or may lead another suspect entirely,, I just found it very interesting. Though I have been trying to eliminate my suspect that doesn't mean I can't look for another one. EDIT, and as I said earlier, I am confident that I will be able to obtain an original document my suspect handled that will likely have fingerprints and maybe even DNA.. I am hesitant to identify him before I get the document in my possession.

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations. I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from. I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.

This is just my opinion, but the only problem with having someone look at blended pictures is just about every candidate ends up looking like the composite when you blend. Someone has shown this at some point along the way. Just curious, but why not just show him privately the picture of the guy without superimposing it over the composite drawing? If he would be willing to look at it, he seems like a person who would be discreet. Just from what I've read, he's pretty low key about all of this. The pics that I posted are visually 90% my suspect, remember my suspect image is quite a bit older than the suspect was, if I showed you the full transition from the sketch to my suspect, your head would explode.. everything lines up... My thought was to show Bill the blended image first, then the older one of my suspect if it was a possible match.. if anyone has an email for Bill PM me and I'll send it to him.. and I realize that a match to the sketch alone is a small piece of the "circumstantial" puzzle..

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are getting at. "a direct link to a "Dan Cooper" and a picture with a "Dan Cooper". Do you mean a real person named Dan Cooper or one of the other "dan Cooper" candidates, or just an adventurous type individual? There is a "Dan Cooper" confirmed to be in the picture... and this picture is confirmed to be linked to my suspect. I assume he used the name from this individual.. if he was the hijacker btw, the picture has a position marked on it, looks like a small square and a squiggly line?? I don't know what this means, if anything,,

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations. I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from. I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.

True, I just felt the need to qualify it as I am open to the probability that this is not the hijacker as some people seem to be "married" to a suspect or emotionally invested. In fact, I have been trying to eliminate him.. I don't want to get attacked for an early theory in the vetting stage.. I don't feel comfortable "yet" posting the bridge picture publicly, the identity may get disseminated and I know there will be books or movies done even if it isn't the guy, it is just too early, though I am not writing any book.. I have posted a picture, a still from a transition blend between 100% "DB Cooper" suspect sketch and 100% my suspect at an older age. All facial features match up EXACTLY... and my suspect has that turkey neck Bill Mitchell described.. he also said that the hijacker never removed his sunglasses.. was NOT swarthy,, Here are two pics, I darkened the glasses in one to match the Mitchell description, otherwise the images are just overlaid. Maybe he can look at it. This is my suspect...

He had a stable career, though not wealthy, I can't find any money problems. He was rather meek and effeminate (he may have been a latent homosexual) and I "speculate" that "DB Cooper" and the hijacking was his fulfilling an inner desire to prove his "manly" ability, an alter ego, an opposite to his identity perhaps to overcome his self loathing. It is a fact that he was fascinated and obsessed with the military and action/adventure. He secretly desired to be a "DB Cooper". So, it wouldn't have been for the cash, but to overcome his "weak" sense of self and prove to himself that he could do it, to fulfill a desire to be what he never was but desired. It is a fact that he has a direct link to a "Dan Cooper",, including, but not exclusively, a picture with a "Dan Cooper" at a steel truss bridge with mountains in the background.. So, originally I thought it could represent the Bridge of the Gods, but it could be another bridge.. that picture may be from the area.. however, there are other provable ties to "Dan Cooper" but that is not his name.. My foreign suspect is purely circumstantial and if he was the hijacker it is an amazing story, but even if he isn't the guy it is still an amazing story..

Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be.. From Kayes site... Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie. Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina. Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971. Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together. Conclusions Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime. Alternative Interpretation: Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie. He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie.. I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him.. ...

Not really. (On the liklihood that it is doubtful the bills could have passed through the system without detection.) This is VERY possible. Currently in the US, there are about 4.4 BILLION twenty dollar bills in circulation. Let's cut that in half for 1971, although I don't have a number on that. But let's say TWO billion in circulation back then. Quotes from the Treasury Department rep in 2010, regarding any search for the Cooper bills: 1) Rep states that due to the number of worn out bills that arrive at Printing and Engraving in DC each day for destruction, any search ordered by the FBI would have been either very short-term or basically ignored. He quotes the job as impossible. Uses word 'truckloads' to describe the amounts, although that is probably an overstatement. In any case, had the Cooper bills eventually reached P and E years later, no one was looking for them anyway by that time. (See below) 2) Rep states that back before computers were really in use, worn bills were checked to see if they were counterfeit, the denominations and total daily amounts recorded, and then they were shredded and replaced with new bills for circulation. Numbers were not recorded on the shredded bills. (I did not ask him if they recorded numbers today) EDIT: After a quick check at Google, I discovered they DO record the serial numbers of worn bills today. Statement from Larry Carr, Seattle FBI: Most banks gave up searching their incoming twenties within three months after the list of bills was issued. All had ceased looking after six months. The Federal Reserve banks looked for the longest period of all these entities, but they eventually gave it up as well. Ralph Himmelsbach has claimed that Treasury looked for 'years'. The rep I spoke to disputed that idea strongly. He actually laughed about it. My thought is that Treasury and the FBI did not cooperate with this effort quite as much as the FBI would have liked, due to the sheer magnitude of such a search. (Today, they would just scan all the incoming bills and wait for a hit on one or more of the numbers) Easy conclusion: After a minimum of six months, it would be reletively safe for the hijacker to pass off the money almost any way he wished without fear of getting caught. Because no one is actually LOOKING for the bills anymore. 1973: Attorney General John Mitchell (yes, THAT one LOL) issued a list of the bills publicly, but only a few newspapers bothered to print it. A Portland newspaper printed the complete list and offered a reward to anyone finding one of the bills. Nothing was ever submitted and the reward program was eventually ended. To Grey Cop: If you had REALLY solved the case and the case agent in Seattle REALLY agreed with you...they would have gone public with it already and you would be on David Letterman the following week. What do you mean not really,,, this is logic,, you can't conclude an affirmative from a negative, PERIOD. You can say we don't know, or maybe, possibly, in theory, IMO etc. but you can't say the lack of money found in circ proves the money was spent. built on the SPECULATION of others. THIS IS NOT LOGIC. Speculation has its place, but you can't use speculation to prove the affirmative from a negation. You seem to be arguing a speculation.. an opinion in place of proof. I'm just saying that the premise that the money positively did NOT enter circulation has flaws. But, nobody is suggesting that.

Flyjack, I hate to tell you this, but the so-called FBI maps are worthless. For instance, take a look at the distances flown per minute. At a constant speed, do you fly 3 miles in one minute and then 6 miles in the very next minute? Also, no pilot would fly a segmented circle around the west side of Portland while operating under the conditions that existed for NWA 305. Then there is the problem of the FBI not knowing where these maps came from in the first place and Himmelsbach reportedly stating that he had never seen them prior to the last few years. Robert99 yes, I know, the actual flightpath is uncertain, but this video represents the FBI version, from this video you can judge it in context, pro or con... my goal was to get a good sense of the terrain, not to propose that this was the actual flightpath and judging by the twists and turns, it is questionable. Another view, lower to get a sense of the terrain,, ..

I've recreated the FBI flightpath as a movie in Google Earth. I overlaid the FBI flightpath (exactly) then recorded the flight following the black ink path from different heights, it is interesting to see the terrain,, my first impression on the terrain is "definitely survivable jump" I realize that the FBI flight path is controversial.. I have about ten different versions, different heights and some with the FBI map overlay visible, let's see if this works,, You might be able to adjust the "flight path" file overlay transparency by selecting it then moving the slider.. let me know if it works

Not really. (On the liklihood that it is doubtful the bills could have passed through the system without detection.) This is VERY possible. Currently in the US, there are about 4.4 BILLION twenty dollar bills in circulation. Let's cut that in half for 1971, although I don't have a number on that. But let's say TWO billion in circulation back then. Quotes from the Treasury Department rep in 2010, regarding any search for the Cooper bills: 1) Rep states that due to the number of worn out bills that arrive at Printing and Engraving in DC each day for destruction, any search ordered by the FBI would have been either very short-term or basically ignored. He quotes the job as impossible. Uses word 'truckloads' to describe the amounts, although that is probably an overstatement. In any case, had the Cooper bills eventually reached P and E years later, no one was looking for them anyway by that time. (See below) 2) Rep states that back before computers were really in use, worn bills were checked to see if they were counterfeit, the denominations and total daily amounts recorded, and then they were shredded and replaced with new bills for circulation. Numbers were not recorded on the shredded bills. (I did not ask him if they recorded numbers today) EDIT: After a quick check at Google, I discovered they DO record the serial numbers of worn bills today. Statement from Larry Carr, Seattle FBI: Most banks gave up searching their incoming twenties within three months after the list of bills was issued. All had ceased looking after six months. The Federal Reserve banks looked for the longest period of all these entities, but they eventually gave it up as well. Ralph Himmelsbach has claimed that Treasury looked for 'years'. The rep I spoke to disputed that idea strongly. He actually laughed about it. My thought is that Treasury and the FBI did not cooperate with this effort quite as much as the FBI would have liked, due to the sheer magnitude of such a search. (Today, they would just scan all the incoming bills and wait for a hit on one or more of the numbers) Easy conclusion: After a minimum of six months, it would be reletively safe for the hijacker to pass off the money almost any way he wished without fear of getting caught. Because no one is actually LOOKING for the bills anymore. 1973: Attorney General John Mitchell (yes, THAT one LOL) issued a list of the bills publicly, but only a few newspapers bothered to print it. A Portland newspaper printed the complete list and offered a reward to anyone finding one of the bills. Nothing was ever submitted and the reward program was eventually ended. To Grey Cop: If you had REALLY solved the case and the case agent in Seattle REALLY agreed with you...they would have gone public with it already and you would be on David Letterman the following week. What do you mean not really,,, this is logic,, you can't conclude an affirmative from a negative, PERIOD. You can say we don't know, or maybe, possibly, in theory, IMO etc. but you can't say the lack of money found in circ proves the money was spent. built on the SPECULATION of others. THIS IS NOT LOGIC. Speculation has its place, but you can't use speculation to prove the affirmative from a negation. You seem to be arguing a speculation.. an opinion in place of proof.

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. What is the normal (and flood) speed of the water between the dump and TBAR,,, it is about 6 miles,, estimation,, the Williamette at Portland speed in normal conditions travels at almost 1 ft/second 6 miles is 31860 feet or seconds, that is 528 minutes or 8.8 hours in the water,, check my math.. a flood condition may be quicker. A paper bag would begin to deteriorate after getting wet, but would hold the cash long enough to get it intact on TBAR.. SPECULATION,,, of course .. ASK BLEVINS! HE HAS THE FBI REPORTS! DIRECT FROM THE PALMER FAMILY! Hint: Bradley used 3 ft per second. I assume that is the Columbia,, if accurate then at 2 seconds (average), the Slough may be slightly slower, the cash would be in the water at 2 sec/ft = 4.4 hours at 3 sec/ft = 2.9 hours,, either way it is not long in the water... 3 - 9 hours...

Very cool FLYJACK! KML files are a great tool. I did a hop and pop jump from 18,000 ft with APRS ham radio telemetry gear that transmitted GPS and physio data. We were able to create a 3D KML file of the jump using the received data. You could see my position, heart rate and blood O2 level at various parts of the jump and also ground speed, altitude and CMG (course made good). Happy Holidays to everyone. 377 Do you have a link for a file or video, can it be viewed,,,??

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. What is the normal (and flood) speed of the water between the dump and TBAR,,, it is about 6 miles,, estimation,, the Williamette at Portland speed in normal conditions travels at almost 1 ft/second 6 miles is 31860 feet or seconds, that is 528 minutes or 8.8 hours in the water,, check my math.. a flood condition may be quicker. A paper bag would begin to deteriorate after getting wet, but would hold the cash long enough to get it intact on TBAR.. SPECULATION,,, of course ..

There was a flood in dec 1978, the place was a HUGE mess with illegal dumping all around it, the dump was essentially in the Slough, there were also hundreds or maybe a thousand gulls routing through the trash that may have dislodged a brown paper bag.. there are many ways that the cash could have made it into the Slough from the dump, the harder explanation/speculation is the "container" float to TBAR, money intact.. it is extremely unlikely that the cash floated on its own. A paper bag fits... There was a theory that someone had posited earlier in the forum regarding the arrival of the money on Tina/Tena Bar. The tied bank bag washed up on the banks of the river with the raging water of the Spring floods. The bag was partially deteriorating and the money fell out of the partially open bag. When the flood waters raised again the bag was pulled back into the river with the tide and a portion of the money was left on the shoreline. The receding water deposited sand over the money. I do not remember who brought this up, but I thought it sounded like a plausible theory. definitely plausible, I'd love to go to the dump and toss a paper bag of cash and a canvas money bag of cash into the Slough and see what happens. EDIT,, not my cash of course.. someone else's ..

There was a flood in dec 1978, the place was a HUGE mess with illegal dumping all around it, the dump was essentially in the Slough, there were also hundreds or maybe a thousand gulls routing through the trash that may have dislodged a brown paper bag.. there are many ways that the cash could have made it into the Slough from the dump, the harder explanation/speculation is the "container" float to TBAR, money intact.. it is extremely unlikely that the cash floated on its own. A paper bag fits...

I agree it would have been easy, but those casino bills would then get passed many times over in circulation, it just isn't the first pass, but the logic here is backasswards.. premise no money was found in circulation.. and it would have been relatively easy for the "hijacker:" to pass the bills after a period of time.. therefore, he spent the cash LOGIC.. premise no money was found in circulation therefore, we don't know if the money was spent So, it really comes down to subjective probability... OPINION If I had to make a call, I'd say the likelihood that money was passed undetected through to destruction is about the same as myself sinking a single basket from half court, however, the likelihood of finding the cash at TBAR would be like myself sinking 50 baskets in a row from half court. ..

It works. I got a pretty good idea on where you are going with this theory. I'm taking a neutral stand on this one. It's possible the money could have floated into Tina Bar as you say. The two main problems are these: You have Tom Kaye and his team saying they don't believe the found money was ever in the river, or exposed to open water for any real period of time, based on their tests. The second point is the amount of the money discovered, which adds up to more than one bundle of the ransom. In order for your theory to work, this assumes that approximately three bundles of the cash somehow stayed together for a river trip lasting a few miles. I don't have any real conclusion here. In the lack of good theories on the money, yours is as legitimate as any of the others presented. (Possible plant, Cooper crashed nearby, dredging, etc) Yes, the money would have floated in a "container" like a paper bag,, the bag would have deteriorated very quickly. but this theory is very early.. my reading of the dump characteristics in the 70's was that it was a mess with businesses and individuals illegal dumping all around there. If anyone can think of a reasonable theory for cash to end up in the dump in a state that can float intact to TBAR, post up,, (bonus, if it can lead to a suspect) St Johns landfill in 70's..