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You keep trying to discredit others to explain this away. It doesn't matter the packing cards not matching is the entire enchilada... no way around that. Since Cossey and Hayden both thought their chutes were used then it is natural for them to think the other is lying. An extra card, a wrong card, no way.. that is speculation too far.. Those cards are crucial for jumpers. If the card found in the chute left on the plane didn't match the one in the chute later returned to Hayden how can they be the same chute? Both cards matched the Hayden chute packing dates of May 21/71 and both packed by Cossey. The chutes did not match the dates and serial numbers. If the chutes didn't match then that accounts for both Hayden chutes and logically Cooper didn't jump with either of Hayden's back chutes... So which back chute did Cooper jump with?

Cossey claimed he sent in two back chutes by cab and Cossey claimed the chute Cooper took was his NB8.. but you don't even need that.. The packing cards didn't match,, that is all you need. Once those chutes don't match there had to be more than two back chutes involved. The chute Hayden got back wasn't the chute left on the plane.

This is not based on Bruce.. that is completely wrong. It is really based on the back chute identification cards not matching. I really don't think you grasp the situation here. If both of Hayden's chutes are accounted for then Cooper didn't use either. It must have been Cossey's. The packing card info for the chute Hayden got back doesn't match the one left on the plane. There is no way around this, no matter what Hayden, Bruce, Deltor or anyone else expresses. You keep citing Hayden's version,, Hayden has zero knowledge of events after he sent in the chutes. His opinion for events after that is meaningless. He sent in two chutes and thought they were both sent to the plane, that doesn't mean they both were. He isn't lying, he is just expressing a belief. Hayden has no way to know if both his chutes were sent to Cooper. The packing cards not matching carries far more weight than the opinions and speculation of the people involved. I think Bruce's interview with Hayden is completely credible but that isn't even needed. The packing card date/serial numbers don't match..

No, there is no "fifth" parachute.. Hayden is not lying, Hayden's account is 100% accurate from his perspective. Hayden has zero knowledge about the chutes after he sent them in. He doesn't know if one or both went to Cooper. Further, Hayden disputes the description of the chutes by the FBI and Barry Halsted claimed Hayden's chutes were identical. Why, because one was Cossey's and one was his and nobody kept track. Hayden would not necessarily have had two chutes returned to him, there is zero evidence that the chute he got back was on the plane. In fact the evidence is that the chute left on the plane was NOT the chute he got back. " Norman emphatically declares that he never spoke directly to the FBI during the parachute delivery nor subsequent investigation, yet, the Bureau’s document claims that their detailed parachute information comes from Norman." "In addition, Barry supports Norman’s claim that as far as they know, both back chutes were identical. In fact, Norman seemed a bit dismayed about bureaucratic in-accuracies when I read aloud the FBI description of the two back parachutes and their many differences." https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/ Two back chutes were sent in by Hayden and two back chutes sent in by Cossey.. Both sets of two arrive by cab, only two are grabbed and sent to the plane. One was Cossey's and one was Hayden's. That is the only way Hayden got back his chute which did not match the year and serial number of the one left on the plane. This means that Cooper used Cossey's chute. One of Hayden's was left on the plane and one sent back to him. Cossey claimed he got one back as well. How can the discrepancy be rationalized.. Hayden's chute left on the plane wasn't the one he got back. Deltors opinion or FBI notes do not matter... the fact is they didn't match. Two similar back chutes were sent from Hayden. Both packed by Cossey the same date. 1) Packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1960 S/N 60-9707. This was left on the plane confirmed by card found in chute. 2) Packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1957 S/N 226. Confirmed by packing card. This was returned to Hayden then went to museum.

I have one criticism of your summary of the chute document.. While it clearly states that the two front "chest chutes" were sent to the plane it doesn't state that both of Hayden's back chutes were sent to the plane. It says that Hayden sent in two back chutes "in order to secure" and they were "furnished to Northwest Airlines". It doesn't claim/confirm both of Hayden's chutes went to the hijacker. IMO, this doc is precise in its vagueness.

No Georger it wasn't a guess. The point was there is seasonal variability of Asterionella species in the Columbia. The species was not identified when I posted this. It is right here.. in "Columbia River Dredged Disposal Site Designation: Environmental Impact Statement" RE: (Anderson, 1972) https://books.google.ca/books?id=j-00AQAAMAAJ&pg=SA3-PA28&lpg=SA3-PA28&dq=Asterionella+formosa+columbia+river&source=bl&ots=hdV2QH92IP&sig=ACfU3U1lsxZVkyaxff5TJhHBhiFHMseZ7Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjssoSDxdHnAhXSKH0KHUlTBu04ChDoATADegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=Asterionella formosa columbia river&f=false

NO Georger, I didn't claim Kaye found only one diatom, he clearly stated he found many, I can read. I was referring to the question of whether Asterionella was the winter or summer variety, that is the context. The real point was,, where was the bill in the packet. I don't know if you genuinely lack contextual discrimination due to a disorder or are just being a troll, but many people are really fed up with your nonsense. You continue, without fail, to discredit yourself. You are more a hinderance than an asset to the Cooper case and your toxic behaviour toward others doesn't elevate your relevance. You were caught lying and you refuse to admit when you are wrong which is often. You spend more time copying and pasting my comments with added disinformation than doing any of your own research. You can choose to be a positive influence.

Tom Kaye has Id'd the diatom as a winter variety... That indicates the money arrived from the water in winter. The caveat is that the Ingram's may have washed the money in the river when they found it.. this is unlikely, the money packets were tight and diatoms would only be exposed to the outer bills.. So, what serial number is 377's Cooper bill,, was it likely an internal bill.

The FBI showed the Cooper sketch to the crew on the Hahneman hijacked plane.. but, it was the "Bing" sketch not the updated Cooper sketch which was done months later.

It is just a matter evaluating evidence.. I have the same variability with Hahneman evidence. Hijacking a 727 for ransom and jumping out the rear stairs carries weight. Latin and swarthy carries weight. Hahneman also said , "don't try anything funny" Cooper said "no funny stuff.. it is interesting and worth noting but carries little weight.. Hahneman was estranged from his family and showed up for Christmas 1971. He gave his young son fishing gear claiming it was from the far East. Hahneman was a frequent liar so it was unlikely from the Far East. The Raleigh cigarette coupon book has fishing tackle in it.. This is interesting and worth noting but carries virtually no weight.

I found a vintage Penny's ad with the Towncraft Snapper Tie $1.50 (#3) and assorted Cuff Link, Tie Bar and Tie Tack sets... $5.00

My "case" is fine in this context.. IMO, This is so weak it has no value, that is my point. Some evidence is stronger than other evidence, recall is considered the weakest, let alone 40 year old recall. If I was a juror, you went to this woman to talk about KC being Cooper and you pushed a pic of a tie/clasp to her and asked "if the picture meant anything".. she said yes 40 years ago KC wore that clasp.. As a rational evaluation, I'd say BS.. She may remember a tie clasp, maybe she just told you what she thought you wanted to hear but no way she could ID it. It just is not believable. A prosecutor using a witness with an unbelievable claim discredits their case. Look at the case for Reca, it is based on 100% personal "recall". Just because people make a claim doesn't make it true.

Really, she remembers KC'c exact tie clip 40 years later.. I own several and can't remember them after a few years.. Maybe she recalls a tie clip, witness recall is the least reliable evidence.. If you are there to talk about KC and present a pic of the tie and clasp it isn't a leap for a "witness" to assume it is significant. People are very unreliable, they make mistakes and lie all the time.

It is interesting,, why would Calame and Rhodes write that book and push the McCoy narrative, they aren't dumb and had inside knowledge... I can't help but think they knew Cooper wasn't McCoy but were acting with ulterior motives.

Witness recall for specific tie clasp belonging to another well after the incident is really sketchy... I can't even recall my own tie clasps or ties.. I give it evidentiary weight of 0.0000000001 Show them a pic and they say yeah thats it... has no weight.

In 1991 Calame and Rhodes mentioned Cooper's tie.. trying to link it to McCoy. "The most compelling evidence, said Rhodes, a former federal probation officer, is that McCoy's mother-in-law identified objects Cooper left on the plane as McCoy's. The items were a mother-of-pearl tie clasp and a clip-on tie." https://www.newspapers.com/clip/20785219/some_suspect_richard_mccoy_of_being/

It seems the fingerprints are a Hail Mary... they have unidentified prints but are unsure if they are Cooper's, some agents have said he didn't leave any prints. Who knows?? FBI file #45 HIJACKER HAS MANAGED TO AVOID ARREST TO THIS TIME. BECAUSE OF LACK OF HIS FINGERPRINTS AT TIME OF THE HIJACKING IS ESSENTIAL TO APPREHEND HIJACKER WITH MONEY RETRIVED AS A RESULT OF ACTS OF AIR PIRACY. Georger has been wrong for over a decade, he gets the case facts wrong often, even makes up evidence. Instead of admitting it he uses ridicule to maintain his denial. He has ridiculed, smeared or lied about almost everyone...

New FBI file up #45 https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-45-of-45/view Most of it on suspect "Jack Scott Farmer" .

The number of chutes wasn't the point.. It is the frustration of dealing with conflicts and inconsistencies within the FBI files.. If Flo's recall of the parachute demand in the note isn't correct,, what else is not correct.

The note dictated by Schaffner was the first demand communication = 4 chutes. If, as the FBI noted and he changed his demand from 2 chutes to 4 then that initial note is incorrect. Flo was recalling the text in the note,,

From the Palmer report.. "The upper layer consisted of six inches to eight inches of reworked beach sand and is the sand which contained the fragments and bundles of the recovered money. This sand also contained soda pop cans and other debris, which were not severely damaged or rusted. The post dredging sand contained older soda pop cans, rusted nails and spikes, and other rusted artifacts, which were in a much more deteriorated condition." The money was in the upper 6-8 inch sand layer which contained other debris that was not severely damaged or rusted.. That indicates the money was deposited more recently.

This is why this case is so difficult... FBI docs, witnesses.... Cooper dictated the following request "two back parachutes and two front parachutes.." This can't be true.. Cooper asked for two chutes then changed it to four. That note can't be accurate.

yup, some other hijackers gave/paid ransom money to crew or passengers, they handed back to authorities... A hijacker paying off crew is a brilliant idea... they would be compromised witnesses. The tip story and timeline just doesn't ring true.. somebody is being deceptive, it may one or more of the stews or the FBI holding back info.

Not age, there is seriously too much information.. I have thousands of documents on my computer. I am forgetting the info I already have, spent an hour looking for a Northwest 727 seat chart online and I already had it..

Timeline, Cooper orders drink from Flo while plane on Tarmac in Portland. Pays with $20, does NOT give tip when he gets change. Much Later, Tina brings money bag onboard plane, while Cooper inspecting it Tina asks for some money, takes it then (claims) she returns it. She claims it is against company policy to accept gratuities citing Cooper offering all the stews tip money from his pocket. Tina goes to get the chutes, Flo lifts the money bag to feel the weight. Cooper offers the stews drink tip money from his pocket. (about 4 hours after getting change from drink) As Flo and Alice are leaving, Cooper offers them packets of ransom money. (Calame and Rhodes..) At some point Flo went back into the plane for her purse. ----------------- Calame and Rhodes offered pack of money to each stew as they were getting off the plane at 14:30