FLYJACK
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The "movie" will sure be exiting for those involved, I don't see it advancing the case in any way though. Movies/TV shows are made for the general population and don't address the deeper complexities which most of us have wrestled with. There is too much info in this case to do it justice..
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You have presented no real argument here.. Go read research on witness recall, I posted it somewhere before. Height recall is very imprecise, most people recall the "average". Unless a suspect was extremely short or tall, witness height recall is an estimate based on body shape, weight and even race. Height is a prompted response afterward and people throw out a guess. It isn't a fact. Al Lee said Tina was 5' 6".. was he lying, wrong or just estimating? Did Tina have shoes on? To claim Cooper could not be not 5' 8" is absurd. How tall is a person 5' 8" in shoes? 5' 9".. Is 5' 9" too short? 5' 9.5"? Anybody under 5' 10" in shoes should be automatically eliminated? You are eliminating potential suspects based on Tina's estimate... The FBI didn't. You eliminate based on facts, not estimates.
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Right, so the FBI did not eliminate suspects solely based on height unless well below 5' 10", it is/was a combination of factors. but you can. Is KC 5' 8" exactly or roughly, how tall is he in shoes? still 5' 8" or taller? How long did Tina stand next to Cooper also standing? How close? How tall is Tina, she claims 5' 8", is that exactly or roughly, is she correct? Was she in shoes, if so what type? Flo was told to remove her shoes. Was Al Lee incorrect when he described Tina as 5' 6" or was that estimate wrong? There are too many variables to eliminate somebody 5' 8", the FBI didn't do it based on that criteria alone. It is a factor, but not a single elimination factor. Studies have shown that witness height recall is very poor. Nobody measured Cooper's height. I am not defending KC, I am defending reason.
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Still wrong, the FBI didn't take the witness height estimates as hard facts... neither should you. Many witnesses had Cooper under 5' 10". The FBI investigated people under 5' 10"... what do you know that they don't. A good comparison is Hahneman, hijacking witnesses had him from 5' 8" - 6'.. it is an estimate.
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This is completely incorrect.. and disappointing. "If" Tina was correct... is big qualifier but she didn't claim Cooper was 6' - 6' 1". Al Lee described TINA as 5' 6". She claims 5' 8". Do we know Tina's actual height? in shoes? Let's go with 5' 8". Tina claimed Cooper was 5' 10" - 6' ... not 4 - 5 inches taller than herself. 2 - 4 inches if 5' 8". Cooper height estimates ranged from 5' 9" to 6' 1".. Initial FBI description was from 5' 9". Most about 5' 10". Cooper was sitting most of the time when Tina was next to him.The FBI investigated people below 5' 10". Witness height descriptions are notoriously vague, for the Hahneman hijacking the witness height descriptions ranged from 5' 8" to 6'... most about 5' 10". I have a military document showing 5' 9", in shoes that is about 5' 10". Witness height descriptions are estimates.. not hard facts.
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If you look at the UV particle distribution pattern on the tie.. there is a concetration pattern that suggests the tie was rubbed across something in various places. The control tie particle distribution under UV is random with no pattern. Cooper may have used the tie to wipe his prints..
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If Cooper survived with the money it wouldn't be passed at a bank or in the PNW. Passing the bills well outside the PNW wouldn't be an issue. The problem is the bills would get into circulation and none have ever turned up. The Cooper case is unique, hard facts are few and it is a very old case. The farther you get from the incident the more outside the box thinking is required to budge it. There is very little new evidence to emerge. We get some FBI files but they have had that info and not solved it. Sticking strictly to the facts is more important closer to the event. At 50 years out that didn't work, as time passes we need to explore increasingly speculative theories. There is a reason this wasn't solved in 71/72. The FBI didn't publicly solve it or prosecute with all the info they have, either they didn't have a case or they did and it was rejected.
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I just checked EBAY found one bill 2400 sequence numbers (last 4 digits) from a Cooper bill and another 2700 from another Cooper bill,,, I have found much closer, within 100, but yeah it is a long shot.
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There are many circulated old bills listed on EBAY, people find stashes of old bills all the time, maybe parents died and they try to sell for premium.. A real long shot for sure.. but if Cooper stashed some and somebody came across them being old bills worth a premium they may flog them on EBAY.. I have found some serial numbers that were very close.. Take a look on EBAY. Lots of Cooper era $20's in circulated condition.
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If Cooper got it out of the US it was gonzo.. More than half of the circulating US currency is outside the US. https://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/bulletin/1996/1096lead.pdf It would be very risky spending marked bills in the US and you'd think one might pop up somewhere through circulation. Has there ever been a large ransom case where bills were spent into US domestic circulation and never found??
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Only two options, he lost it or kept it. Cooper tied the money bag to his body, he may have lost it during the jump.. McNally lost his money during the jump and when he landed he wanted to do it again. If he kept it, he either spent it or lost control of it. Every one and a while I go through the period specific $20's on EBAY and run the serial numbers through my ransom $$ spreadsheet.. maybe one will pop up. If it was Hahneman and he didn't lose it in the jump, he could have taken it to Honduras within weeks. If Cooper got it out of the US, it was untraceable.
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Hahneman was estranged from his family for many years. I have two reasons why he wanted to return to the US and it wasn't his family.
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Hahneman was a naturalized US citizen but also had Honduran citizenship,, there was no extradition to US, he could have stayed but voluntarily returned to the US. Governments returned US citizens but not necessarily their own citizens.. Hahneman was clear of US law if he had stayed in Honduras but everyone knew who he was and that he had a pile of money.
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I wondered this as well,, The 11:30 time may be a guess or an assumption. No idea how accurate it is.
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Map. pink line = 3 mi E of flightpath green = railway pink dot = Heisson store
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Cooper initially asked for 2 chutes, then 4.. two back and two chest
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Dec 26, 1966.. p 39 "Use of pure titanium and titanium alloys in commercial aircraft has been growing steadily over the years at Boeing although application has generally been limited to areas such as firewalls where temperature is a problem. High strength-to-weight ratio of titanium alloys and improved efficiency in fabrication as a result of supersonic transport research undoubtedly will lead to even greater utilization of this material in the future. For example, a typical riveted aluminum spoiler panel weighing 37.25 lb. made up of 50 parts held together with Aviation Week & Space Technology, December 1.219 fasteners costs $1,000 to make. An equivalent bonded titanium spoiler panel made up of 38 parts and 48 fasteners weighs only 26.71 lb. and costs $940. In each Boeing 727 now rolling off the line there are about 650 lb. of titanium firewalls, bulkheads, tanks, ducts and fittings." https://ia800809.us.archive.org/8/items/Aviation_Week_1966-12-26/Aviation_Week_1966-12-26.pdf
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On his website, Eric Ulis has some pics of a 727-22 airstair area. A few things.. That plane is not equipped with the optional emergency airstair release which the "Placard" refers to. The optional emergency release system has a "pull handle" behind a second interior panel and another behind the exterior access door. This plane's airstair release, like all North American commercial passenger 727's was modified after NORJAK.. The main handle was not just a simple push... it had a release button on the top which must be pressed. Looks to be missing in this plane. If it was dark Cooper could easily miss the top button and struggle with the handle. We don't know if Northwest 305 had the optional emergency or the same handle.. This is a schematic for Northwest Airlines 727-51 airstairs and the handle looks different. All 727 handles were replaced and updated at some point. It may be impossible to find an example of the same system today..
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2008 Chelatchie railroad study, lots of detailed maps. click to download.. https://www.railstotrails.org/resourcehandler.ashx?name=chelatchie-prairie-rail-with-trail-corridor-study&id=4207&fileName=Chelatchie Prairie RWT Corridor Study 2008.pdf (1)
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FBI file #44 is here.. (secret link) https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-44-of-44/view it is posted here before it gets linked from main FBI vault page which takes a few days
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I found the cross streets, looks like the Amboy chute location is about 5 miles from the rail line... That seems too far...
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He didn't necessarily have to jump a train, he could have just walked the tracks. How many small grocery stores were roughly 10 miles S of Merwin dam in 1971? Couldn't be very many. It was very rural and they would have been very spread out, not close to each other. The Heisson General Store is right in that spot and right next to the railway line. You have a rail route from Amboy to Vancouver Lake, the entire route can be walked in 8-10 hours. On the run, it makes more sense to walk the tracks than walk a roadway.. Does anybody have the exact location for the Amboy chute find??
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Heisson General Store since 1907.. http://www.thereflector.com/news/article_912739b2-2aa3-11e1-9cf2-001871e3ce6c.html It looks like the PVJR and it is still used.. It was abandoned in 1984 sold in 1986 then restored in two sections. http://www.pvjr.com/history.html http://www.pvjr.com/route.html
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That Heisson General Store is 9.7 miles South of Merwin Dam, just not directly South and 4.6 mi East of the flightpath... This area was very rural, hard to imagine many stores in that small area, this one has to be a good candidate. Here is a 3 mi circle and a 9 mi circle from the store. The store is due East of the flightpath time between 8:12 - 8:13.. I would think that when Cooper landed he would not follow the flightpath N or S, he would go E or W to get away from the flightpath, at least initially. No direct road from the flightpath to the store, the South Fork Lewis R is a natural obstacle in between, he would have had to wade cross it, unless he landed in the Lewisville Park.. EDIT,, that Heisson store is right beside a rail line going N it veers E and up to Amboy, going S it goes through Battleground and W to Vancouver Lake.
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Average walk speed over flat terrain is about 3.1 MPH.. 3 hours = 9 miles from Landing point. Rough Terrain at night and an injury could be 1 MPH or 3 miles over 3 hours
